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Old 01-15-2003, 12:55 AM
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Default Who wants a scale pusher prop jet?

Hi everybody!

I would appreciate it very much if those of you who like jets would give me some feedback here. There are still a good number of us who like jets, but choose not to get into ducted fans and/or turbines. Based on your feedback, a new kit could be produced, so give it some thought.

Would you like to see a composite fuselage, balsa-sheeted foam wing, SCALE pusher prop jet, in the .60-size range? If so, what would be your preferred aircraft?

Some good candidates for scale might include the F-22, the new F-35, (Lockheed-Martin "Joint Strike Fighter") and several others with reasonable wing area. Your opinions matter, and could result in a reasonably-priced almost-ready-to-cover type kit being produced, so let me hear from you!
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Old 01-15-2003, 03:30 AM
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Default I don't think a "pusher Jet" would work.

You'd have to put 4 pounds of lead (at least) in the
nose to compinsate for the weight of a 1 pound
motor in the back.
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Old 01-15-2003, 03:38 AM
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Default F-14

My favorite is the F-18, but there is a kit already by G&P sales. That is not an ARC, so is still valid.

or you may want to do a F-14 Tomcat
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Default Who wants a scale pusher prop jet?

Finnish the B-200 first ;>)) I'm anxious to see it.
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Old 01-15-2003, 03:56 AM
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Default How 'bout this....

....basic prop jet....works for me....
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Old 01-15-2003, 04:19 AM
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Default Who wants a scale pusher prop jet?

Another problem you will run into....is the engine
mounted backwards, with the exhaust pointing
forwards. (not real cool) :stupid:

Did you say "scale" ?
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Old 01-15-2003, 04:53 AM
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Default Purpose of this thread

I'm trying to use this thread for serious research, for a possible commercial kit, so before this thread gets too far off track...

I've designed successful pusher prop sport jets before, and am aware of all the issues, such as engine cooling, exhaust routing, CG issues related to long nose moments, as on the F-16 and F-18, tank plumbing, etc.. This thread is not about the "feasibility" of such a model, and (no offense intended to anyone) so I don't want to discuss all those things here.

What I want to know is:
Of those of you who would appreciate a SCALE jet in this configuration, what would be your aircraft preference?
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Old 01-15-2003, 05:00 AM
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Default Dave!

I would be very interested! Sounds similar to the Combat Models pusher type aircraft. They are awesome performers but the foam dents to easily and repairs are very difficult. I think composite would be the way to go but expensive I would imagine.

As for aircraft, the F-15 Eagle and the F-16 seem to have a broad following-

My list, if you care:

F-4 Phantom
F-20
F-16
Mig-29
FA-18

Keep us posted-

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Old 01-15-2003, 01:09 PM
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Default F-16

F-16 would be my vote. It would probably the easiest to hide the engine with it's large round tail cone. Combat Models F-16 is a perfect size for the YS 45 that has a pump for the long distance fuel problem. I would also like to see removable wings and vertical.

F-18 would be my second choice.

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Default Who wants a scale pusher prop jet?

SU-27 is the one for me, best fighter in the world....

However, most people on this forum have basically one thing in mind: SPEED...and if possible at a reasonable price.

Scale often means expensive...it all depends on how scale you want to go.

Also, if you go with the .60 size people will go stuffing .90 DF engines in the back of that plane, so you might want to take that down to .45-.50 size, unless of course your design with a hot .60 really means SPEED...

But basically I'm in favor of the idea, because I like a fighter plane to be a little more scale than a Patriot...
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Default Who wants a scale pusher prop jet?

F-18
F-14
A-6 (Since no one seems to market this one)

I like the idea of a 60 size. If I want real speed I can stick a Jett 90 in it!

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Old 01-15-2003, 04:33 PM
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Default Who wants a scale pusher prop jet?

F-16
F-18
F-4
A-7
A-10
F9F Panther
F9F Cougar
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Old 01-15-2003, 05:52 PM
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Default Who wants a scale pusher prop jet?

only reason i've not done it is APC's arnt available in the sizes you need for speed
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DH Venom...wouldn't have so much of a CG problem

Boeing 727

F14
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Default props

To be honest, the main limitation I've found with Pusher deisgns, is that only a few prop sizes are commercially available.

I came up with a 8 ft. long XB-70 Valkyrie, with 3 .60's in mind at the back, but had a really hard time finding the right pusher props for them. There only seems to be a few 1/2A and .40 size pusher props out there, or at least there were a year ago....


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Old 01-15-2003, 10:25 PM
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Default THANKS! Don't stop.

Hi everybody,

Thank you! These "wish lists" are exactly the kind of response I am looking for. Keep 'em coming.

PS> Answers to some previous posts "issues":

1. With jets such as the F-16, the CG is opposite of what was mentioned. These planes tend to be nose heavy, due to their long noses, if a tractor engine is used. Pusher configuration is much better for these types. (Been there.)

2. There are plenty of pusher props available today. Just go to the Tower site and do a search for "pusher".

I see no votes for the modern designs I mentioned, such as the F-22 or F-35 so far. I think that for the low end of the speed range, the extra wing area these designs offer would be helpful. I'm tracking all the "votes", so keep thinking...
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Default F-22 is kewl . . .

But, it doesn't have the history yet behind it to drive the imagination as do the more "mature" planes. As for props being unavailable it seems to me that it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to work directly with APC, or any other prop maker, and design a series of props for this type of plane. If APC passes on the opportunity then you can be sure that someone else will take up the challenge.

Just my .02

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Default Re: THANKS! Don't stop.

Originally posted by Mike James
Hi everybody,



I see no votes for the modern designs I mentioned, such as the F-22 or F-35 so far.
Northrop F-23. It may have lost the fly-off to the F-22 but it was by far the sexiest of the two and I doubt if you'll see it at too many flying fields.

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Old 01-17-2003, 06:34 AM
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Default Who wants a scale pusher prop jet?

F-35 ? Isn't that that plane that looks like a mega mouth shark, ( Butt Ugly)..
A-10 built up no foam
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Default Nope

You're thinking of the Boeing JSF entry, which was labeled "X-32". The Lockheed-Martin X-35 (now F-35) is more traditional (F-22 ish) looking. (Except when in the VTOL mode!)

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Default PUSHER JET

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A F-18 OR A F-16. IF YOU COME TO A
DECISION AND ARE GOING TO MAKE ONE LET ME KNOW. WOULD DEFINATELY WANT ONE. :idea:
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Default my Picks:

F-15C still my favorite, and I hate Foam dings.
XB-70 !!! Yes Do it!!!
F-22 will be done by someone eventually
X-15 while I'm dreaming, will need a dolly to launch
bottom vertical will have to detach like the real one to land

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Default Who wants a scale pusher prop jet?

I like the idea of any of the recent designs that use widely spaced twin fins so the engine and prop are largely hidden on the ground and in flight. The fact that these designs are almost all truly sexy looking is a bonus.


But just to play devil's advocate here..... What about a "what if" model that uses design cues from many full sized prototypes but adds it's own unique "modelly" factors? Much like the BVM Maverick is an almalgam of designs? You could provide the design with a good flying wing/delta style of layout and the engine could be set up between a couple of, once again, vertical fins. Make it sexy looking, novle and fly super well and I suspect that people wouldn't care about scale.... or is it just me?
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Default Yep...

I've considered, and designed in CAD, several variations on what I'd call "generic" sport jets, including the type you describe. (One typical image attached) I'm simply curious if those of you who like jets would prefer a scale design, or a "sport" design.

Keep the input coming, guys...
This could be a kit in a year or so.
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Default Who wants a scale pusher prop jet?

I for one like scale models. There are enough "psuedo-planes" out there that don't resemble anything. Other than my very first trainer I've never owned a plane that isn't at least somewhat scale!

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