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Old 10-06-2006, 10:46 PM
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Default Weston-50 Seizes, Magnum trashed...

Yup--- Made 1 1/4 circuits around the field. 15 Seconds into the flight the engine seized (***?), it was very nose heavy (and I went with middle CG from suggestions) so downwind turn kept a ton of speed and I attempt to flair with no effect whatsoever--- I hit a small bush or soft dirt bank (just below eye level so did not see it..) saw the cartwheel- engine 15 yards IN FRONT of wreckage [X(]

And I was worried about the launch

The WestonUSA site was down last I checked, no idea who to ***** to or send the engine carcass to... Anyone? Bueller??

15% Synthetic (per manual 10-15)
9x7APC
Stock Everything
Nice little smoke trail, on the rich side...

Thoughts? No camera at the field... I have already started fixing her for what engine I have no idea...

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**** on top is simply the letters Double-U, Tee, and Eff
**** Is No idea who to bee-otch to.
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Old 10-06-2006, 11:53 PM
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"THAT SUCKS!"[sm=punching.gif]
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Old 10-07-2006, 12:35 AM
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Default RE: Weston-50 Seizes, Magnum trashed...

Don't you have an Enya SS 50?

Sorry about your Magnum. You shoulda waited till Revvers II so I coulda caught it on film.
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Old 10-07-2006, 12:51 AM
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Default RE: Weston-50 Seizes, Magnum trashed...

I don't know if your aware of this or not but we have a few magnums around here. They have no glide ratio at all. I saw a guy coming diagonally actross the field ging probably 140mph when he ran out of fuel. All he had to do was make s simple left turn and then line up for final. He didn't even make it at that speed. Thing fell like a sack of dirt

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Old 10-07-2006, 12:56 AM
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ORIGINAL: SPEED JUNKIE

"THAT SUCKS!"[sm=punching.gif]
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Old 10-07-2006, 01:21 AM
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I DO have the Enya-50SS... That'd be funny, the Enya is a great engine but speed engine? [X(]

I WILL have the magnum, ugly as all get out, ready to fly by Revvers... That is a promise- Dunno what engine I may use but if I have to the Enya it is!!!!
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Old 10-07-2006, 03:47 AM
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Geez James,

What a crap day, I feel sorry for you

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Old 10-07-2006, 06:31 AM
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ORIGINAL: Flyboy Dave


ORIGINAL: SPEED JUNKIE

"THAT SUCKS!"[sm=punching.gif]
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Old 10-07-2006, 09:48 AM
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Default RE: Weston-50 Seizes, Magnum trashed...

That does really suck !
[>:]

Did the engine actually seize or did it stop suddently?

If it seized you would have heard it start sagging big time before it did.

You have a Webra GT 50 dont you? You can bolt that Weston pipe setup on it.
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Old 10-07-2006, 10:33 AM
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Default RE: Weston-50 Seizes, Magnum trashed...

Hey Razor,

I'm very sorry to hear that, I was looking forward to comparing your plane to mine....

But the West .50 seizing? Mine has been so reliable, what do u think happened?
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Old 10-07-2006, 10:47 AM
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Default RE: Weston-50 Seizes, Magnum trashed...

Man James, what a bummer! Now I feel "guilt"! Hopefully, it will get repaired or replaced by West.



Do you run extra oil in your fuel? I always bumped mine up with castor. How much fuel had you run through it? Did you start with the 9x7 or 9x6?

Crap, sorry to hear that Buddy.

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Old 10-07-2006, 03:35 PM
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Default RE: Weston-50 Seizes, Magnum trashed...

I had a West that hit so hard it broke the crankshft. I sent it to Weston UK and within a couple of weeks it was returned like new. New crankshaft, new bearings, all labor and return freight was less than $75. Can't beat that. Just pack it up, send it to the address on their website - in the UK - and include a note as to what you want done. They will communicate by e-mail regarding what they think it needs and costs. I was very fairly treated and highly recommend them.
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Old 10-07-2006, 04:31 PM
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Default RE: Weston-50 Seizes, Magnum trashed...

Wow thanks everybody!

Bob- It stopped suddenly.... Instantly actually- What does that mean? I have not tried to do anything to the engine (like turn it over) cuz the dirt and stuff--- It does rotate a "little" til the compression then it sounds like a metal stop! The Webra-50GT went with the Patriot ARF I sold to Kevin at the last Revvers..

Gary- No, they recommend Synthetic fuel so I was using 15% CP- I had run it for a couple minutes at home just to check the fuel system... Ran perfectly, hand started which I thought was cool- 9x7, fairly rich on launch, little smoke---

d plane boss (AKA Herve Villechaise)- Thanks! I will definitely send it in but unless it is ALL free, I will complain like a little girl (no offense to any little girls on the forum).
I followed the manual perfectly, even bought that special fuel for it... If they do not make good I will advise them what they can do with their engine [X(] The pipe is still pretty though...

As a side note the recommended CG is VERY conservative--- I went a little tail-heavy based on RCU research and it was still VERY nose heavy with a full, whopping 6 oz. of fuel. Over half my elevator travel was used to keep it level/ slightly climbing, and I have WAY more travel than they recommend (3/4 inch?)- So when she locked up, in level flight doing who knows how fast (130?) I knew I would run out of elevator pretty quick. AND I DID! It is a sad feeling being 150 feet up, getting the wings level, then running out of elev. so she goes in nose down. The cart-wheel was an added bonus Wings level, ground/bush/ terra firma whatever not level!
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Old 10-07-2006, 05:14 PM
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Default RE: Weston-50 Seizes, Magnum trashed...

Sorry to hear of the Magnum's demise[], I would think that would be Weston's responsability if the engine locked up, it's a defect, hope they make it right, I had wondered about the glide capabilities of the Magnum, I guess I know now, same glide ratio as the F104, I've opted for the clipping wings a little at a time till it gets iffy, but I did overdue it with one I had 400 sq in and it weighed 7.75 lbs no fuel, small stab, thin wing, it landed at about 55+ mph (ugly) and a dead stick resulted in getting the epoxy out, but the dive speed was impressive with a OS VRP 40 w/OPS 60 Carb with the tuned pipe length at about 10 inches glow plug to widest point, the prop made alot of nice sounds in a big dive. A guy that stopped by the field to watch had to have the plane and made me a offer I couldn't refuse even after I told him it flew like a Turd.
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Razor....

....you were running Cool Power 15%....the green stuff !!! [X(]

The only thing that stuff is good for is killing ants.

Sorry about your motor. []
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....I forgot....if your motor stopped instantly, the rod might have broken. []
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That's what entered my mind first, a busted rod...or the crankpin broke off...

Sorry about your plane Razor []
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After further inspection there are little "metal pieces" sitting on top of the piston--- I emailed Weston UK with all the details, I am hoping they make me "whole" again. Even if that happens now I have an ugly thrashed, and VERY heavy "looks repaired but cross your fingers it stays together" Magnum.

I started gluing, and patching, and glassing (5 oz. glass) --- Shaker can black, as I did not have yellow and tada!

I did this all super-fast due to my irritability.... I bet it comes apart EVEN with the Enya-50SS up front
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Sweet!

You just don't know what your capable of until you take all of that hatred and put it in a positive direction!

Normally that would have taken you 2 weeks!

Now save it for the Revver's II so I can "Spank it with my Rossi!"

Then we will all set back and tell lie's to each other over "Carne Asada and a Sunset!"
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Ewww... He said "Sunset".

So I should save it for the Revvers? It won't be impressive and may very well be dangerous... We'll see, I still have a couple small things to do to get her flight ready... If it happens pre- Oct 21/22 then I am flying it!

With the Enya up front and the extra weight from the "repairs" I wonder how interesting the hand launch (from my 81 yo Dad) will be.

Guess the first flight I will run a 11x5 or something...
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Ewww... He said "Sunset".
Just so we're clear I aint swappin spit - Got it?! Strap the Jett in there an quit winning!
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Man, why are you so down on Enya?
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Yeah, what's wrong with Enya, she makes outstanding music
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[quote]ORIGINAL: vicman

Ewww... He said "Sunset".
Just so we're clear I aint swappin spit - Got it?! Strap the Jett in there an quit winning!


You mean "Winning" or Whining? Thought the whole idea was to WIN?

Bet you're gonna balance it further back?

How much does it weigh now, compared to before?
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Two "Enya's" please![sm=tongue_smile.gif]
I don't care what she sound's like!
I bet she scream's![sm=lol.gif]
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