LDM

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Evan do what I do , get wifey an equally expensive unproven gilrly-gift , it works all the time !!!!

Crazy4Flight

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Better yet do what I did....loose the wife

all the planes and no equally expensive unproven gilrly-gifts

Sparhawk

Steven - does that mean they will be on sale? or are you taking pre-orders at Toledo? How do I get on that list??

Spar

evan-RCU

Silly question, will an OS 1.08 fit in this or the F-16? I have one laying around doing nothing....

KC36330

it'll fit the F-16 and I'm sure it would fit the 18 too but it's a big heavy motor, no doubt it'd fly the plane but for Performance get the Jett 90, preferably in the LX version.

kc

evan-RCU

Lets see, problem getting the wife to Ok $400 for the airplane... another $400 for the motor but I can tell her I have a motor and she'll say yes then...

I understand there will be some rearranging if used...

Has anyone put the 1.08 in the F-16? My understanding is the F-16 with the Jett isn't really a speed plane, maybe 140ish?? With the OS it'd be 130ish??

KC36330

maybe with a very good tail wind. 110-120 is more like it.

kc

evan-RCU

What will she do with a JET 90LX?

KC36330

that is with the 90LX on an 11x8 APC, a noticeable increase in speed with the use of a 10x10 APC but still nothing to write home about, it's a heavy plane with allot of drag.

kc

Razor-RCU

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140MPH?

1. I would have to see that to believe it
2. If it is true, that is pretty fast
3. The big block 1.08 wouldn't help.

evan-RCU

Hmm... 110-120ish with the 90LX, big heavy... considering this is a large airplane it probably looks slower than a smaller airplane going the same speed.... On a scale of 1-10 how fun is this to fly and how good does it look in the air.... compared to a Patriot or a Magnum or an Outlaw or Diamond Dust how happy am I going to be with this?? I know the DD or Magnum are not the same thing since it's scale but I still like speed... or at least the impression or speed.

Oops, talking about the F-16 since the F-18 hasn't been flown yet...

KC36330

my Jett 90LX powered F-16 is faster then my Patriot 40 w/ YS45 and Jett Stream muff, the F-16 looks scale in the air, and it's a good 11 on a scale of 1-10 for fun to fly. it's not the greatest at crosswind landings, but no F-16 I've had (and it's been several) was, but anything from calm wind to 30 knots it's a joy to fly, rolls are more axial then my pattern plane. it's no comparison as far as speed to my Jett FIRE 60LX powered Diamond Dust, the DD is 170ish.

kc

bob27s

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Id say KC is about right here.

That is about the size of it..... its a big plane and a lot of drag. It is quick, and a blast to fly. Best comparison I can come up with is it flys somewhat like a Byron F-16.

It takes a bunch more power to overcome drag and increase velocity even just a few mph.

The increased speed going to a 10" prop was more from the drag reduction than engine performance (imho). The key in that case is the 90LX likes that prop, and can make up in take-off performance static thrust by virtue of bonus rpm.

Maybe this summer I can get an air data system on the F-16 and get some numbers.

Bob

evan-RCU

Has anyone put it to radar?

KC36330

with the exception you don't need throttle to elevator mixing to compensate for the down trim caused by the sucking cheater hole
without the mixing i can quickly chop throttle from WOT to idle during 'fast' level flight and the Byron will nose up 10-15 degree.

kc

bob27s

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I dont think I ever tried that... but I guess its possible Most of the time it was wide open until I throttle back slowly on the downwind leg for landing.

bob27s

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I dont have any radar data in my notes for the F-16 ... maybe someone here?

Best I have are a handful of reports of level flight average speeds around 100 - 120 mph level flight. Nothing on airdata or confirmed radar though.

jetpilotrich

Hopefully they get it right the first time out... this time. The F-16 is nice.... but the first version needed a re-do...... ultimately the newer version is a stellar product. I have been waiting for a good Hornet for a while.... will have to get in line!!

NOTE TO CERMERK.... If you guys are listening out there.... dont rush this one out the door.... put it out when its ready! It looks like another winner!

Rich

Sparhawk

I agree with you Rich, and no doubt they probably learned a thing or two from the F16 to incorporate into the F18. I would hope they used better plywood for the gear plates. Sandwhiching two layers 0f 1/8" lite ply is not what I would use. Hopefully, they will also produce it in more than one color scheme. Although I like the BA scheme, I can think of others I would like to do, given a particular base coat (grey or white) color.

We'll just have to wait and see. Any more pics from Toledo???

Spar

jetpilotrich

Hey Bob.... I noticed on the Jett site a SJ 100L. I do not remember seeing that engine before.... Is it a newer engine? It claims to turn a 12x8 at 14K... you get to a point with a bigger plane where the prop is just to small for the application and you just end up with a lot of prop slip. Any thoughts on an 11x8 turning 15K vs. a 12x8 turning 14k. I am thinking it would be about a wash at top speed but much better Takeoff and climb performance with the 12x8!

I will finally get my F-16 in the air next weekend gonna try different props on the SJ 90L. Only took 2 years.....

Anyone out there running the Cermark F-16 prefer a 11" over a 12" prop???? the 11" just looks small on it. The F-18 looks in the same boat.

Rich

P.S. DUB MUST BE LOVING THIS!

jetpilotrich

It looks like they got it right! I can do without the screw on canopys that always crack and the spinner was kind of an afterthought.... it was poorly painted and the wrong size! they should stick with the 2.65LN Spinright that they sold for years and still do.

No doubt a grey hornet is in the works or the original blue and gold on white... I am in to the BA version.

Rich

kmtranmd

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Nice bird. Damn, I still have the updated F16 version in the box, still flying my previous version F16. Wonder if this F18 will fly as nice as the F16, though. Looks like the set up is just like F16 except for the vertical stabs. Wonder what they've done to solve the detachable wings issue. I ended up gluing mine in place because they got loose after a while.

kmtranmd

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Regarding Rich's question on props, I use apc11x9 on my Jett90 for the F16. Flies very nice and easily clears the grass. 12" prop keeps hitting the grass and loads up the engine, had a hard time taking off from grass runway. The plane sits pretty low to the ground with the mech retracts/stock wire struts used ('05 version F16).

KC36330

i actually prefer the 10x10 APC, optimal i guess would be an 11x8 APC on the Jett 90LX.

kc

bob27s

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Hi Rich....

Sorry for the delay.. was over in Toledo....

Yeah, there is a 100LX. Pretty much the same as the 90LX, same rpm band --- just has a bit more grunt to it... does not at all mind the 12x7 and 12x8 props. The 90LX would rather have an 11x8, 11x9 or 12x6 on it. Dub has built a few.... they run very nice. We had the one he build for Bobber out on display at Toledo (his is a FIRE 100LX... full pipe).

As for the F-18.....

Cermark gave us their factory plane at Toledo to display in the Jett booth. I a bit of time looking it over for anything unusual. Couldn't find anything at all.

Very well built - radio installation is solid. The new landing gear is outstanding. Two hatches, one at the canopy, one between the vertical fins - both of them had spring loaded hatch pins. Two small rudder servos required, one in each fin. Two elevator servos (like the F-16, same bearings), retract servo was mounted in the rear as well. Throttle and steering servo were up front.

Only item I though of any caution for is the fuel tank install - it can be a bit snug, and might need a bit of attention/mod/extra padding to ensure you do not foam the fuel. Install is similar to the F-16 (new version) and so far that has not proven to be a big issue.

Oh..... and if you are not excited enough on the F-18 ....

Expect Cermark to release an F-15 in the next 6-8 months or so (yes, same size)

Bob