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Old 04-17-2007, 08:46 PM
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Default New H9 Sundowner

Have you guys seen this yet? Price is very good. I decided to pre-order for the first time and see how it goes. Going to "stuff" something larger than recommended for a gas engine. Won't be avail for about 3 months. By the time I finish it, if their are any "issues" they should show up before mine gets in the air!


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Looks like fun let us know how it goes, I need something big in my hanger.
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Old 04-17-2007, 09:31 PM
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They recommend a 35cc gasser or the larger 2's and 4's. I have no idea but have enough friends with gassers on the shelves that I can size up to see if they'll work without having to buy it first. I saw a BME 50 in a Sig Extra one time. Went reeeal good.
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Very nice looking bird! Should fly well with a moki 2.10
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Neat plane. A little big for my speed endeavors, but still very cool.
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Very nice looking bird! Should fly well with a moki 2.10

That was my alternative if the gas line up doesn't work for me. Already have BGX. Would like to try out a Moki.
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Old 04-17-2007, 10:27 PM
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I like it! [8D]
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Yeah, way cool. With a Moki 2.10 It aughta screem. How fast do you all think it would be?
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Old 04-18-2007, 05:47 PM
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Trollmaster:

You need to get togeather with some of the giant raceing crowd. There are several gas (alki) engines that they have going like crazy, say 175 or more. Talking about some of their single cylender engines, not the huge Hurbranson ex drone engine form WWII that start at around $3700.00. Their big stuff I understand is doing 240 or so with apparently more on tap. GP's latest stuff like "Little Tony, Showstrings, Cermarks Alley Cat all missed the speed mark, were designed as a sport airplane, and were good looking sport models that fly like a sport model is intended (dogish). AS YOU WILL SOON DISCOVER. SPEED =$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Do your research, there are good reasonable engines out there, your radio gear needs to be adequate. Nothing like going like crazy and having a slow elevator servo not up to the task. Keep us posted on the build, if I hear anything about a good hot gas engine, will let you know. Above all ENJOY
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Old 04-18-2007, 06:32 PM
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"Hangar 9’s giant-scale legal Sundowner Formula 1 80-inch ARF is a true sport performer with an aggressive racer fuselage design that makes it look like it’s traveling 100 mph even when it’s standing still"

So I guess if this H9 statement is true, then if i can get it to 100mph, It''ll be competetive eh at 200+
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Old 04-18-2007, 07:23 PM
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A 6 pitch prop has to reach 17,600 to reach 100 without any loss or drag consideration.
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Old 04-18-2007, 11:32 PM
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Right now, that is not a Giant Scale Racing anything. Sure, it is "Giant Scale" due to it's 80" wing as far as IMAA goes but there is no class for it in the USRA rule book. It would be nice though because it would bring Giant Scale Racing to the local club venues and at an affordable price. I believe it could be raced on the USRA course with the 1600' pylon spacing just like the Dominators are now and running with the Moki/Mark 2.10 engines. I don't think it would be as fast as the Dominators (currently running just over 100) since it has more frontal area however, with a little engine work and some hot fuels, it might be coaxed over 100mph with the USRA Dominator prop.

It would be nice to see more designs come out to spice up the line-up. It is also nice to see the Sundowner rather than just another Cosmic Wind or Shoestring. Something tells me we might expect a Kelly F1D but more likely a Polecat. Personally, I would like to see a Video Cassut.

Once I saw the Evolution 35GT in it, I knew I had to have one. I predict the first shipment will sell out. I have a Mark 2.10 sitting here waiting for it. Now, where do I get those contoured mufflers?

Keep in mind that all-out speed is not the only thing that makes racing fun. The winner is the first one across the finish line and sometimes just the only one left flying. You can save yourself alot of money by just perfecting your flying and fly a tight course. In the early days of Giant Scale Racing, we clawed our way for every inch of altitude and nursed the airplane around the turns to keep from tip stalling. It was just as much fun back then. Not that I want to work that hard for a race again, but this airplane just needs enough speed to groove and it can be alot of fun.

Speed costs $,,, How fast do you wanna go!?
How fast do you wanna spend?
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Old 04-19-2007, 08:20 AM
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I thought the Kyosho Kelly was great but just to small so I passed on it. I remember a few years ago, I wanted to somehow get a Shoestring up to this size but now I don't have too
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Default RE: New H9 Sundowner

I was looking at this at Toledo...

It is notibly larger than the GP toni/minnow/shoestring. Appeared to be geard for the G26 engines.

There are a few folks that make high-output G26 engines.... might be worth looking toward those individuals.
Daves and Hanson are two that come to mind

http://www.davesmotors.com/store/product1174.html
http://www.bhhanson.com/Helicopter%2...uct%20Line.htm
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I was looking at this at Toledo...

It is notibly larger than the GP toni/minnow/shoestring. Appeared to be geard for the G26 engines.

There are a few folks that make high-output G26 engines.... might be worth looking toward those individuals.
Daves and Hanson are two that come to mind

http://www.davesmotors.com/store/product1174.html
http://www.bhhanson.com/Helicopter%2...uct%20Line.htm
Those are some awesome engines, aren't they? Pricey, though.

You don't even need to spend the big bucks to see a significant performance improvement over stock from the Zenoah G26 engines. Simply adding a ported top-end, like this one:
http://www.davesmotors.com/store/product1829.html
gives a ton of bang for the buck.

I guess it all depends on what kind of power output you need for your target application.

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from the H9 web page.... 399.99

Sundowner Formula 1 ARF

Key Features

Giant-scale legal (80.5" span/29% scale)
Easy-to-fly racer with smooth handling and precise control
Factory painted lightweight fiberglass pilot figure included
Two-piece plug-in wing and stabilizer
Fiberglass cowl and wheel pants
Removable top hatch
Rear servo hatch
Hangar 9 giant-scale hardware included
Aluminum wing and stabilizer tubes
Gas, glow or electric conversion


Overview

Hangar 9’s giant-scale legal Sundowner Formula 1 80-inch ARF is a true sport performer with an aggressive racer fulselage design that makes it look like it’s traveling 100 mph even when it’s standing still. This sport performer looks great, down low on the deck. And then, experience a high-flying adrenaline rush as this spirited, agile racer streaks into a turn at high speed. Because of its smooth flight characteristics and precise sport handling, pilots will feel comfortable even at 120+ mph, making the Sundowner the perfect plane for entry-level giant-scale racing. Although the Sundowner is characterized as a racer because of its fiery body design, it is truly a sport aerobatic model geared for performance. The 1.80-size Sundowner ARF can be powered for performance using a variety of gas or glow engines, or converted to electric power for clean, no-fuss flying.

The two-piece plug-in wing and stab make transporting this giant-scale aircraft a more compact process. A removable top hatch provides admittance to the plane’s interior, and the servo hatch located at the rear of the plane provides access to the rudder and elevator servos. This ARF includes high-quality giant-scale hardware and aluminum wing tubes which provide extreme durability at low weight. Hangar 9 even outfits the Sundowner with a lightweight, painted pilot figure—complete with racing helmet.


Specs

Wing Span: 80.5 in (2045mm)
Overall Length: 60.6 in (1539mm)
Wing Area: 933 sq in (60.2 sq dm)
Flying Weight: 12.0-14.0 lb (5.4-6.4 kg)
Engine Size: 26-35cc gas; 1.20-1.80 4-stroke; 1.00-2.10 2-stroke
Motor Size: E-flite Power 160 Brushless Outrunner
Radio: 4 channels or more
Servos: 6 digital servos (5 servos for electric conversion)
Trim Scheme Colors: White (HANU870), Silver (HANU881), Cub Yellow (HANU884), Pearl Blue (HANU845)
Prop Size: 14x12-16x8 gas/glow; 17x12E electric
Spinner Size: 3 1/4 in
Hardware Included: Yes
Speed Control : 110 Amp
Recommended Battery: 2 Thunder Power 4S or 5S Li-Po Battery Packs (THP38504SX or THP38505SX)
Scale: 29%

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Recommended Setup–Gas/Glow
• Evolution 26GT2 Gas Engine (EVOE26GT2), OR
• Saito 180 AAC with Muffler (SAIE180 or SAIE180GK)
• 14x12 – 16x8 Propeller
• 3 ¼” Tru Turn Spinner (TRU3252)
• 4-Channel Radio System
• 6 JR Hi-Torque Servos (JRPS821 or JSP20071)

Recommended Setup–Electric
• E-flite Power 160 BL Outrunner Motor (EFLM4160A)
• Castle Creations 110A ESC (CSEPHX110HV)
• 2 Thunder Power 4S or 5S Li-Po Battery Packs (THP38504SX or THP38505SX)
• 17x12E APC Propeller (APC17012E)
• 3 ¼” Tru Turn Spinner (TRU3252)
• 4-Channel Radio System
• 5 JR Hi-Torque Servos (JRPS821 or JSP20071)
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It'll be interesting to see what combinations we come up with on this thing.
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I forgot to ask something here. i was reading the specs on this again and it said 29%scale size. 29%of what? This isn't a scale replica is it? Or is it? I can't find it anywhere. Thought this was just a sport plane
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I forgot to ask something here. i was reading the specs on this again and it said 29%scale size. 29%of what? This isn't a scale replica is it? Or is it? I can't find it anywhere. Thought this was just a sport plane
The Sundowner was an F-1 racer campaigned in the early 1980s. It is a Shoestring varient (I think called a western special).

This is what the plane looks like today, named [link=http://www.if1airracing.com/images/RichardWallace/2%20Okie%20Swinger%20George%20Budde/IMG_1546.jpg]Okie Swinger[/link] Asking around, I found that the plane was sold to a new owner not long ago.

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Wel then, this is good eh?
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I put on order in for one Today! I can't wait to stuff gas motor in the thing. Thinking of going with an Evolution Engine? I'll have my Gee-Bee ready in a couple of weeks with the Evo 26gt in her. This is my first evolution motor. If it work well I'll plan on buying the 35gt for the Sundowner!

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I also put a order for one.

I have a brand new Moki 2.10 sitting on the shelf doing nothing.

Any thoughts on this engine for the Sundowner?

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Hi Bob

Too bad Dubb does not make any engines large enough for this plane.

I would be interested.

I still have the Jett 90LX in the Alley Cat and the engine just gets better with time.

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Great looking Alley Cat! How do you get the Engine started when it's cold out? I would love to get my Ultra stick 60 on ski's for the winter

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Thanks P

In winter we pull this cabin on to the lake, equipped with a wood burning stove. We bring the planes inside to take the chill off and they start up real easy even in sub zero temp.

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