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Old 09-01-2008, 09:00 AM
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Attempting to coerce the boys that I fly with into some local/affordable racing action that still looks cool.

I think this may do it.

Hyperion Miss America with retracts and a .25 or .30 (40?) engine.



This "on paper" looks to me to be a pretty cool little combination. It won't be an arse hauler, but I think it'd get into the 70mph range with the right engine/prop combo. There's only one veteran racer in the group so it should be exciting for the masses.


Proposed rules.

General:

Hyperion 50 size P-51 in any color scheme
Must have retracts installed and functional
Must be built to original specs, supplied fire wall, fuel cell, etc. . .

Engine:

Struggling here a little. the heart says a Jett, but not everyone can afford that, so what about an OS 30?
What ever it is, we all run the same.


No internal modifications to engine permitted.
There would be a spec fuel
Any prop
any glow plug permitted

Airframe:

Airframe internals can be strengthened/modified to suit individual tastes.
No exterior alteration of plane.
control surfaces can be sealed.
No minimum weight requirement.

Electronics:

Battery must be of sufficient power for all five channels. (how many MAh for a plane this size?)
Must use servos with performance levels at or above the manufacturer recommendations.


What else am I missing? Remember, this isn't the nationals. Just a group of knuckle heads getting together to fiddle around on weekends.




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Old 09-01-2008, 03:37 PM
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whats the cost of that ARF???
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Old 09-02-2008, 02:39 PM
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Default RE: Hyperion Miss America and what engine???

nesikachad:

Admit I am not a OS fan. Suggest you go to the Thunder Tiger 36, much cheaper than the OS 32 and will run with it and last longer. Spec your prop size and minimum weight, otherwise that old fox racer has quite a advantage. We have two old fox racers in our local club. They have dominated anything they are allowed to fly in for more years than I can remember, club records show one or the other has won for years, the race is always between these guys, most fly for third at best. Keep your cource short, 200-300 feet. The fastest airplane does not have that much advantage in a short course, slower airplane and better pilot can win. ENJOY
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Default RE: Hyperion Miss America and what engine???

The OS .32 is discontinued so that doesn't matter anyway. the OS .35AX is not as good a speed motor from the reports I've heard. A .36 is a good cheap motor, $82 at Tower.

I would consider .25's cheaper and won't be so fast as to cause problems. The Hyperion is a very nice looking plane.
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I had one in the blue scheme a while back and I paid 250 for it.

I've seen this offered for about 200 bucks. Just hunt around or do a search here on RCU.



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Default RE: Hyperion Miss America and what engine???

Nice little plane....

Hyperon classifies it as a "25" size plane

http://www.chuckshobbies.com/hyperio...issAmer-08.jpg

Id suggest the following formula if you want to race these with glow power...

TT36Prop - stock, stock exhaust (including the baffle)
APC 9x6
(select a provided/standard fuel)

Does not get more standard than that. Will be pleanty quick. And remains inexpensive.
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Bob, can you provide a link for that engine? I keep seeing it as a heli engine for a Raptor.

Thanks.
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Default RE: Hyperion Miss America and what engine???

that plane is kinda a "tweener", it may be listed as 25 sized, but the wing is nearly 50" long. Also at $200+ for a smaller plane, thats kinda expensive for bump and grind racing action...

I'm not sure that is the best plane for what you intend to do with it. I think the .36 motors will be slow and the .46s will be too heavy and probably too fast for what your trying to do.

There are a lot of .40 sized warbird arf in the $150 range. Maybe open it up to 4-5 different similar sized ARFS, allow sport .46 motors, and go from there.
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thats what i was kinda thinking when i asked how much ???? lol
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Yeah.... its expensive of sorts. Looks like a well built model though. Appears to be a glass fuselage, so might be worth the investment as a nice sport plane.

TT36 pro engine.... http://www.acehobby.com/ace/TTR9130.htm

you could also consider the Magnum 36 as well .... runs fairly well, and for $69 its not too bad of an investment.

If it builds in at 3.5 lbs with a .25 or .30 up front the wing loading would be good, and it probably would race fairly well. If everyone is running the same engine and airframe, that levels the field. Spec racing at its best.

Its not going to be lightning fast, but thats not really the point of warbirds or club racing.



A suggestion..... keeping in the same spirt that you started the thread with..


This plane is cheap, and tends to move just fine with a .25, .28 or .36 size engine......
http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/123571.asp

Its available in 3 differnt colors...... no retracts....... just basic ARF stuff. And it is basically designed for club racing.

In fact... here... look... you can get the plane and and engine for less than $160 - and free shipping..
http://www.hobbypeople.net/combos/999012.asp

A few have crammed .40-.46 engines in this design .... but as Dave suggested with your P-51 selection, it just comes out heavy and is not all that blazing fast..... sorta a waste of time. The plane was designed with the smaller engine in mind in the first place.
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Default RE: Hyperion Miss America and what engine???

Not all that blazing fast is kinda the point.

There's a broad skill level amongst us.

Might be cool to stick the bigger engine on and just regulate speed with the prop. Then one of two things happens. We all crash and decide to give up cause the wives said no more. (I'm SINGLE!) OR, we get better and then decide to put a screw on it that realizes more of the engine's potential.

The other aspect is I have next to zero interest in models that don't look like something real. Warbirds are just cool, nostalgic, and sexy all in one package. Seeing a group of these things chasing each other around a track is kinda half the fun. Having it fast enough to be interesting, yet slow enough to where it can actually be watched is the other part that attracts me to this. I like bigger models cause they seem to fly better and its easier to see what they are doing when in the air. least for me anyways.

If all I want is to go fast, I have a bike and a car that will scare the daylights out of 99% of the population.

Guys, appreciate all the engine help/suggestion and the constructive criticism.

Thanks!
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Yep..... its all about having fun. Once it is not fun, the event will die. Keep it fun.

Using a standard prop is a key way of ensuring a bit of equality. So you are on the right track there

Some engines might turn 100-200 ground rpm more than others..... but that rarely makes the difference between winning and losing.

Let us know how your event develops......

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Default RE: Hyperion Miss America and what engine???

Not sure what your thoughts are on VQ, but I've seen a few and they look ok for the price. One of the issues we had locally when we started warbird racing was everyone was using the World Models Mustangs and it was really hard for the helpers (pylon judges) to tell one from another as they all looked alike. All of the following models would be pretty close to the same speed (around 80-90mph) with a sport .46 motor and 10x6 prop. Having a little variety (as long as there isn't a great performance difference) makes for a good show. There are others, just grabbed these quick as they looked pretty similar in size, weight, and sleekness.

http://www.vqwarbirds.com/products/aircraft/p51b.html
http://www.vqwarbirds.com/products/aircraft/mig3.html
http://www.vqwarbirds.com/products/aircraft/me109e.html
http://www.vqwarbirds.com/products/aircraft/at6.html
http://www.vqwarbirds.com/products/aircraft/mig3.html
http://www.vqwarbirds.com/products/a...rricane40.html
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Default RE: Hyperion Miss America and what engine???

I'll through one into the mix as well. Very popular in RCPRO Warbird racing. Only one color but solid so easy to add contrasting stripes etc.

They are a real good flier and quite fast.


http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXGGM2&P=7
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Old 09-06-2008, 05:16 AM
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Default RE: Hyperion Miss America and what engine???

Exactly why I chose the Hyperion model. It's got three different color schemes. Blue, Miss A, and an aluminum "in the white" one too.

Slap some numbers on it and we's racin! If this ever gets off the ground, it'll be a miracle. I'm blessed with lots of disposable income (no wife/kids) where's the chums have families so we'll see.

Fingers crossed.
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