Old Jaybird

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Marine here son, 50's & 60's, and I made no insinuation. Then too, I have no apologies and nothing left to prove. Sad thing is, we are being destroyed from within by idiots who can't see past the gates of their own . I spent the best years of my life fighting communism. I'm not sending them my money. I'll fly paper planes first. The topic here is to support our own country and keep our factories running and our citizens gainfully employed rather than continue to expand socialism. Buy American and from the few countries that support us as long as the goods are good quality, made by their citizens and we don't make it here. I could even buy Mexican made stuff because it keeps them out of our welfare lines. There's too much wrong to fix it all but we are on a slippery slope so we have to do everything we can to help ourselves. Look around. Who's going to do it for you? If you think they are inside the beltway, you have lost all of your creditability. Even so this is mostly opinion based on personal experience and everyone has a right to express theirs.
And btw, I dare say I've called and written to more "representatives" than anyone out there. My hat's off to all who do hold their feet to the fire.
oj

freakingfast

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This where the US Customs drops the ball constantly, things that blatantly violate patent and trademark laws are allowed entry, not to mention counterfeits. Allow customs more authority(not being told to look the other way) and hire more inspectors.

In "Silicon Valley" (California bay area), some of the very buildings that produced high tech products are now vacant or distribution warehouses for imported electronics. There are many reasons the USA no longer enjoys absolute technological advantage like greed and corruption but we may also need to look in the mirror.

oskartek

The irony here is a communist, Nikita Kruschev said, "A capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him with"

This appears to be the case in todays "world economy"

Monopoly capitalism, unlike free enterprise, is all about greed.

BTW, I remember the "Duck and Cover" drills in grade school.


Happy flying, Oscar

downunder

Norvels are/were Russian and were designed and manufactured by Russian aerospace engineers, kind of like having NASA make model engines. They'd perfected ceramic coatings so it was used instead of the chrome/nickel platings and to my mind it'll be the next step in other engines. I'd take bets that the Fox ceramic liners are made by the Russians too the same as all other ceramic liners like the ones that used to be made for Saturn hobbies.

TimBle

I was wondering how to suggest we completely tone down some of the comments, and Timble hit the nail on the head. (imo) Just be aware that a lot of these comments are way over the lines for RCU. It has been an interesting discussion.

As to building something entirely from one country or another- good luck with that. You are going to be using something from somewhere else. That Kraft radio is going to need capacitors and resistors, and guess where the bulk of those are made. As pointed out, you are probably going to burn nitro.

The suggestion that we have silence to respect what is happening to Japan is another excellent idea. Right now, hobbies are meaningless to the Japanese people.

Old Jaybird

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Hmmm. That's your opinion and you can easily close it to your mind by not visiting here. Some of the comments are less than helpful but some have been informative. I'll leave when I no longer find useful input. You may also. You obviously had nothing to contribute to the topic; just rant....

Syssa Aircraft

We hope that modelers will buy our engines not because they designed and almost entirely machined and assembled here, but because they are competitive in the marketplace.

Don't forget the VAT charge that other countries charge them to import anything! A few of my relatives live temporarily (for work reasons) in the UK and anything you buy and bring into the country, you must pay something like 17 or 20 % on (I think it went up recently). This is a good thing and a bad thing...and for a whole other discussion obviously. The thing is, many countries enforce VAT, unlike the USA.

For instance, if you live in Brazil, it is quite (I was shocked) expensive to even build a 1.20 size arf....the shipping costs are one thing...but the VAT charge is another...combine the two and everything gets really expensive really quick.

We are very proud of our engine...and almost the entire engine is made in our shop, by quality CNC equipment made in California. Most vendors are within 20 miles from us (plenty of high tech mfg in CT), but some are also in the Midwest. We strive to buy American when it is not only possible, but also practical. I can tell you one thing...we are definitely stimulating the economy!

Granted some countries do not play fair, but it is a global economy and you HAVE to be competitive...from how efficiently you use your electricity to how well your machines are programmed.

I'm done!!

DarZeelon

Todd,


Since your company makes spark-ignition gas engines ( I see no glow engines mentioned in your [link=http://www.syssaaircraft.net/index.html]web site[/link]); I believe you'd get better coverage by writing in the [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/forumid_142/tt.htm]Gas Engines forum[/link].

proptop

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The title of the thread is "Buy American R/C Engines"...so I believe he is on topic.

DarZeelon

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Todd,


Since your company makes spark-ignition gas engines ( I see no glow engines mentioned in your [link=http://www.syssaaircraft.net/index.html]web site[/link]); I believe you'd get better coverage by writing in the [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/forumid_142/tt.htm]Gas Engines forum[/link].

The title of the thread is ''Buy American R/C Engines''...so I believe he is on topic.

PropTop,


The title of this sub-forum is 'Glow Engines'... not 'Gas Engines'.

He's off-topic!

blw

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I was wondering how to suggest we completely tone down some of the comments, and Timble hit the nail on the head. (imo) Just be aware that a lot of these comments are way over the lines for RCU. It has been an interesting discussion.

As to building something entirely from one country or another- good luck with that. You are going to be using something from somewhere else. That Kraft radio is going to need capacitors and resistors, and guess where the bulk of those are made. As pointed out, you are probably going to burn nitro.

The suggestion that we have silence to respect what is happening to Japan is another excellent idea. Right now, hobbies are meaningless to the Japanese people.

Sport_Pilot

However there is nitro made in America.

http://www.dow.com/angus/prod/nm.htm

dieselbloke

I wouldn't be too suprised if much of the current production of K&B engines wasn't made in Asian Rim Countries as well. Really as an Australian I can't think of one Americian Engine I'd buy these days. That wasn't true 40-50 years ago. All the best engines were American. I guess that OS, Super Tigre, Rossi, MVVS, and the Eastern Europeans changed all that. Perhaps the problem is that the people with passion who built up the great US engine manufacturing companies passed on and the same companies fell into the hands of those only interested in making money. Sad really but the whole world'd going electric anyway. I'll give the model IC engine only another decade at best.

R

Sport_Pilot

No, its that the value of the dollar has changed,  politicians will not tax imports as much as other countries are taxing exports, etc.   When the dollar was geting stronger it made our money go farther overseas but made imports cheaper, and our exports more expensive.  Now that it is dropping the exports are getting more expensive.  Duke Fox complained he could not be cost competitive with OS and Enya without some design which cut production costs.  Now an OS costs slightly more than some of the Fox engines.

Syssa Aircraft

Sorry I saw only the "American R/C Engines" in the title...now I see that the section was in the glow section.

My apologies...

tiffitech

I think you misunderstood a little what is happening with the VAT at all.
If I remember right, UK has a VAT of 22% currently, germany (I'm a German) has 19%.

I have to pay this VAT not only if I import something from the US or Japan (it's almost the same amount for all countries outside the EU), I have to pay it for every thing I buy (there are some exeptions, books and food are 7% ) here.

If I import an american engine, the border customs are adding that 19% and the customs itself. I've got some spares for Enya Engines
lately and know that the Border Customs are 0% for Toys, as which the model engines where classified from the Customs.

I have my own little business here in germany and learned how that VAT is really working:
I buy some goods from an other company, pay the price of the article and the 19% VAT to that. I get an Invoice that states the amount
of VAT. In my TAX declaration, that VAT gets substracted and I get the VAT back from the TAX office.
Later, when I sell that thing to a customer to a (hopefully) higher price, I have to add the 19% VAT again and have to declare that amount on the next TAX declaration and give that TAX to the TAX office. It is the last buyer that has to pay the full amount.

If I buy something from an other country in the EU I have to pay the VAT that is actual in this country, that means if I buy from the UK, I have to pay the 22%.

Got it?

What is a big problem in the near past is that the shipping costs are almost doubled. For an parcel whith an model engine inside I have to pay approximately $50 tho get it shipped to germany (USPS priority or something). The other way around I can ship this thing with an "registered international Letter" to the US for approx 12 Euros. So it's better to talk to your shipping companies if you couldn't sell something small over the ocean. (remember on top of the engine price is the VAT and the shipping costs).

Next thing. It's anyoing for me as an alien to read your thread about "buy american"!
Is my work here not much worth or what? Do you don't need german cars anymore?

It's interesting, that here in germany is not much left to buy what you guys have made. Budwiser? No, thanks.
Maybe a much overpriced Harley, but I think it's better to drive a motorcycle where the light bulbs survive a little bit longer,
and I'm not a dentist that I can pay for that thing w/o to think a very very long time about where to get the money from.

You can say I should buy a I-Phone or something from Apple, but are they made in USA? Not really.

Think a little bit about Egypt and their Hi-culture (?) there in the past. What's left from it? Almost nothing.
Better get familiar with the thought that our cultures (US and the old Europe, the "western culture") are on falling branch in the next future, the orientals are coming up. It's their time now.
That's because we are to lazy to do anything w/o to get much money for it. Who is transporting the waste in your town to the dumpster? Our own work is to expensive for us, that we don't want to buy it ourselves, that's the case in the US and in Europe, all the same. Do you want to work for an Dollar per hour? Chineses are doing that. What do you expect for an quality of work for that price?
You already know what you will get.. We have a good live and let pay the chinese/indian people for it. What do you think how long this will last?

Just my 2 Cent.

Regards,

Holm

PS: sorry for my bad english, maybe we can try to talk german next time.
PPS: I'm thinking too that it is time to think about japanese people this time, I wonder what happened to the enya fab, hope theya are ok...

highfly3D

OS, Enya, YS FUTABA & to tell you you must also buy an American radio not a Futaba []

blw

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Holm- I remember living in Germany when it was 14%. It's like our sales tax except that the item price tag already has sales tax figured in.

Should we lock this thread for a while to let things cool off?

tiffitech

It was about 10 years before as the VAT was 14%. Later it was 15, that 16 and this Merkel raised it to the current 19%.
It was the biggest TAX rise in Germany after WWII.

I think it may be better to lay this thread on ice for a while, or maybe to change the topic to "Buy Japanese" to help the people there to sort the remaining peaces of their lives..

Kind Regards,

Holm

RCFlyerDan

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My DA-100 and DA-150 are made and machined here in the USA!!

proptop

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Dan..you'd better watch out...Dar will scold you about 'em not being "Glow Engines"

w8ye

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ars.

Dow/Angus buys all their nitro from China and redistributes it in the USA as Angus. They have done this for several ye

DarZeelon

Dan,


PropTop is right!

I hereby scold you for mentioning gas engines in the Glow Engines forum...

proptop

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Thanks...things were getting a little too "serious" around here...
Taxes, politics, etc. etc. [:'(]

If we could get an engine to run on political "gas" we'd never need another oil well...

Sport_Pilot

I am talking about the export and importtax put on the goods only when they load or unload them to or froma ship or airplane through customs and before VAT is added. The US has the same tax. This tax is usually not added to items shipped individually to people instead it is added to large shipments to companies.