sevoblast

That's why I'm not too worried about it, Jerry. When I finally get mine, after everyone else gets their kit, I'll measure and compare the kit to the Elefant 'bible' I have...in Russian of course. However, from a very poor and actually negative in the book of an Elefant on it's side, I'd say they are correct. The micrometer will tell the tale.

karel47

here is the link to axels modelbaushop its very nice priced to : 360€

http://www.axels-modellbau-shop.de/k...1_344_596.html


It's out, go and buy him !!!!

pcomm1

Before going to your micrometer Bob, I highly recommend first a visit to your opthamologist.

Once restored, then check all the recent videos of this model running around, it will become clear as to where the running gear spacing issues are.

And Jerry the proof of the pudding is in the empirical observation and note the tech line art on the packaging.

But no matter, it is a desirable kit and I am happy I prepaid for one at that.

John

PS And how do you spell hunting in German? LOL.

bowlman

Ok Bob ill stock up on ABS Glue .

Thanks
Jimmy

sevoblast

Good idea, Jimmy. I did here. ABS glue is NOT easy to come by in this neck of the woods.

And gentlemen, at the moment the etoarmour.com sight is running, but orders are not being forwarded to me. Server is working on the problem, but anyone wanting an Elefant please PM me from here or use the email in the 'Contact' section of sight. I will order more kits Monday, and hopefully my kit will come in the next order.

rivetcounter

Bob all the pictures that have been taken are on an angle this makes things rather difficult to correctly determine only time will tell, Jerry being one of the lucky few that actually owns the Imai Elefant is the only real authority on this tank

Tanque

I think empirical observation is generous; empirical observations are usually data gathering exercises in
experimental scenarios which the observer is attempting to either prove( or disprove) a hypothesis or gather enough data points
to begin to derive a working theory.

I'm not arguing the observation that the wheels appear to be spaced incorrectly what I'm saying is that the may be a difference
between the spacing appearing incorrect and the bogies actually being spaced incorrectly. This based on the way the suspension
arms work. But you'll understand that more clearly when you build your kit.

Imai's are not completely accurate either, that's a long known fact, no revelation there, and as I said earlier Imai's normally appear even worse until more weight is added to the hull something I don't do.

I have no doubt you'll right the kit's wrongs and regale us with masterful tips in your up coming construction thread.

Jerry

pcomm1

OK and to let you out of the little corner you guys painted yourselves into, I do enjoy Bob's and your completely stubborn positions on just about everything under the sun.

But don't hold your breath waiting for a build thread, something pretty good is already going on over on rc groups tanks.

Tanque

I don't think anyone really disagreed with your original statement that the wheel spacing is a little off. That Bob wanted to measure and I suggested
other reasons for the appearance isn't stubborn it is just wanting to see the thing firsthand. If it proves out to be off then there it is.

If it is ultimately proven to be just flat out wrong then I am in error and I have no problem admitting I was wrong. Won't be the first time and doubt
it will be that last.

Comparing the Hooben as we've seen it so far to the side shots of the Aberdeen Elefant one would be silly to deny what the casual observation clearly
shows. Yet when I look at the photos of Elefants in my books, Spielberg's and others it isn't always so clear how far the Hooben's spacing is off. I still believe
the spacing has something to do with the hull loading and the dynamics of the suspension.

I often elicit fiery or acerbic responses the way I write so I'm conditioned to it; but suggesting Bob visit his ophthalmologist even in jest after he proposed a reasonable suggestion just didn't sound well as a response. Perhaps you and he go way back but I don't know that. There are better ways to disagree with someone. Just state your position and let the demonstrable facts prove or disprove it. One can choose to or not to remind people later!

I'm sure we'll all enjoy the model, it will satisfy many modelers who have sought a 1/16 Elefant for years. On all accounts it looks like a great addition
to the hobby. You may not post a build thread C4ISTAR but I'm sure you will build yours before I do and the more insights into the strengths and weaknesses of the kit would be appreciated by all.

Jerry

Viper54

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Can't wait for mine to arrive,I will be building a 44 Poland version

sevoblast

Jerry, always the gentleman. My hat's off to you, you have far more patience and are way more erudite than I will ever be. As for the wheel spacing, if it's off a few microns, I could care less. Show me another Elefant of this quality at this price. I'll be building another rompin' stompin' fighter for sure.

I'm sure you can take my JT, my best effort ever, and measure him against the prototype and find the odd difference here and there, not the least of which is the side to side movement of the road wheels, which in prototype was 2 mm, and in scale is also about 2 mm, but scaled up it's 32 mm. So be it. I'd rather keep the tracks on than have the scale side to side movement.

Anyhow, with a week or so we'll all know. Shipment of kits is in transit, and should be in Joey's hot little hands in another week or so. He'll check them all out, record the serial numbers on them, and then start shipping out to the reservations.

StumpyBloke

Bob, is this [link=http://www.axels-modellbau-shop.de/katalog/de/116-Militaer/Kettenfahrzeuge-und-Zubehoer/Panzerjaeger-Elefant:::1_344_596.html]axels[/link] the one you are selling? I mean, is this you? Sorry, I'm confused.

PS what is going on with this site these days, its slow at best and non-existant at worst!!

Rich

bowlman

No Rich that's not Bob Hes ETO Armor . Here is the link to his site on ETO for the Hooben Elephant

http://etoarmour.com/products.php?ViewCategory=51

He is having some problems with his server on placing orders at this time you can send him a PM from here .

Thanks
Jimmy

StumpyBloke

OIC, thanks Jimmy!

Rich

arkmodels

Pls get the message that I send to you.
Thanks.

Devildog0341Va

When you all say ABS glue what kind or brands are you refering to?

The only plastic glues I deal with is for schedule 40 to 80 pvc

sevoblast

Any hobby shop that carries 'Plastruct' structural items will have their glue. Their plastic is ABS, ergo their glue works well with the Hooben models.

Panther F

Devildog0341Va, check into Hobby Lobby or Michaels as well as any Hobby Store for the Plastruct Plastic Weld. Even Ambroid Pro Weld will work with Styrene, Butyrate, as well as Acrylic Plexiglass.


I must have 5 different glues and they all work (if specified) about the same. These are liquid cements with the applicator in the lid. Some of these are pretty nasty, so make sure you use with proper ventilation.


- Jeff

Devildog0341Va

I have a hobby town near by, i will check with them.

Thanks Guys

On Edit: I just checked there website and they have something called ambroid proweld plastic weld. Im thinking this would be fine>