June 2011 AMA's Model Aviation
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ORIGINAL: bradpaul
Nothing to do with the AMA Bi-Laws and everything to do with certain IRS reporting requirements for a non-profit.
Nothing to do with the AMA Bi-Laws and everything to do with certain IRS reporting requirements for a non-profit.
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RE: June 2011 AMA's Model Aviation
BP
following a government regulation... IRS reporting requirements?
Explain how AMA is following that IRS law
for the folks that opt to have their magazine mailed to school,
and I would LOVE to hear how they are following that regulation for Stickbuilder who asked it be mailed NOWHERE.
If you are right, that there is some IRS law you mention that the members have to be mailed that info,
then ama is clearly and openly violating that mandated by law mailings for them.
However, if AMA is not violating that law you mention for the folks that DONT GET MA NOW,
then AMA clearly wouldnt be violating that supposed law for ALL the folks that dont get MA
(the ones billed $18 to not get it along with the ones billed $0 to not get it)
Folks are ALREADY OPTING OUT and not getting MA,
they just are still being billed for the magazines sent elsewhere or not sent at all (ala Stickbuilder)
Bradpaul, explain the IRS mandate that you claim exists,
that members must be billed regardless of actually getting the info mailed to them
The Requirement Myth is a favorite of the no-option crowd
... well, they actually dont mind the option, they seem to support opting to not get the mag,
they are more a Mandatory$18 crowd than a No-Option crowd... pay $18 regardless of opting to not get the mag
Nothing to do with the AMA Bi-Laws and everything to do with certain IRS reporting requirements for a non-profit.
As for electronic............. by regulation you can ask the membership to "opt in" to receive electronic communication but YOU CANNOT REQUIRE IT.
Strange.............. when the AMA gets blamed for following government regulations.
As for electronic............. by regulation you can ask the membership to "opt in" to receive electronic communication but YOU CANNOT REQUIRE IT.
Strange.............. when the AMA gets blamed for following government regulations.
Explain how AMA is following that IRS law
for the folks that opt to have their magazine mailed to school,
and I would LOVE to hear how they are following that regulation for Stickbuilder who asked it be mailed NOWHERE.
If you are right, that there is some IRS law you mention that the members have to be mailed that info,
then ama is clearly and openly violating that mandated by law mailings for them.
However, if AMA is not violating that law you mention for the folks that DONT GET MA NOW,
then AMA clearly wouldnt be violating that supposed law for ALL the folks that dont get MA
(the ones billed $18 to not get it along with the ones billed $0 to not get it)
Folks are ALREADY OPTING OUT and not getting MA,
they just are still being billed for the magazines sent elsewhere or not sent at all (ala Stickbuilder)
Bradpaul, explain the IRS mandate that you claim exists,
that members must be billed regardless of actually getting the info mailed to them
The Requirement Myth is a favorite of the no-option crowd
... well, they actually dont mind the option, they seem to support opting to not get the mag,
they are more a Mandatory$18 crowd than a No-Option crowd... pay $18 regardless of opting to not get the mag
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RE: June 2011 AMA's Model Aviation
There is no violation as the AMA sends the magazine to the designated address as determined by the member. If that address is invalid so be it, as there is no requirement to determine the validity of the address.
Brad
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Ok gentlemen. This discussion is getting WAY off topic here. The thread is about this month's issue of Model Aviation. If you wish to continue the side discussion that has developed then that needs to be taken out to a new thread.
Thanks
Ken
Thanks
Ken
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oops, writ while RCKen posted that... Nevermind this deleted post
seems like post18 changed the line of discussion,
maybe post18 and everything south of it should just be moved to his own new thread
as to not derail this thread
seems like post18 changed the line of discussion,
maybe post18 and everything south of it should just be moved to his own new thread
as to not derail this thread
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RE: June 2011 AMA's Model Aviation
ORIGINAL: AERORICH73
My issue has not arrived yet, but in reviewing my 90's RCM magazines I have no positive thoughts about the coming June issue of MA. I understand the change in mind set of the new decades of people, but would really enjoy some back to basic education in craftsmanship to building models in past years. It seems to be now only a marketing system to buy, crash, and buy. Rememberiing my time as a youth when fishing for trout, I did not hesitate to get fish goo on my hands when cleaning the fish. How come there seems to be such a problem in cleaning castor oil off of a model, and having your hands smell just great. If you want to play with electric trains, just go ahead, and leave us castor oil guys play in the oil without messing around putting train motors in our hobby models. Stop advertising electic train stuff in an aircraft magazine.
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My issue has not arrived yet, but in reviewing my 90's RCM magazines I have no positive thoughts about the coming June issue of MA. I understand the change in mind set of the new decades of people, but would really enjoy some back to basic education in craftsmanship to building models in past years. It seems to be now only a marketing system to buy, crash, and buy. Rememberiing my time as a youth when fishing for trout, I did not hesitate to get fish goo on my hands when cleaning the fish. How come there seems to be such a problem in cleaning castor oil off of a model, and having your hands smell just great. If you want to play with electric trains, just go ahead, and leave us castor oil guys play in the oil without messing around putting train motors in our hobby models. Stop advertising electic train stuff in an aircraft magazine.
aerorich73
I do not like.. Well, not true, I do not care about u-control or FF. I have no problem on it being in my magazine. Why? Because they are a small segment of our hobby and as such, part of the hobby. Same as you slimy people. You have a right to get coverage because, you are part of the hobby (small, and shrinking, but part of the hobby).
Perhaps you should read a bit the magazine, and avoid a blatant show of ignorance comparing a model train motor to what we use. Well, maybe you are talking about really BIG train models, who knows.
I think the AMA hast to cover ALL segments of our hobby. Nothing wrong with living in the past, at least, you have no surprises:-) But, most of us, live in 2011...
Gerry
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ORIGINAL: madmaxx11
Anybody got a June issue they want to sell. The discussion has got my attention.
Anybody got a June issue they want to sell. The discussion has got my attention.
I can get you 12 consecutive issues for $58 if ya want.
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ORIGINAL: FILE IFR
I can get you 12 consecutive issues for $58 if ya want.
ORIGINAL: madmaxx11
Anybody got a June issue they want to sell. The discussion has got my attention.
Anybody got a June issue they want to sell. The discussion has got my attention.
I can get you 12 consecutive issues for $58 if ya want.
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RE: June 2011 AMA's Model Aviation
ORIGINAL: bradpaul
Nothing to do with the AMA Bi-Laws and everything to do with certain IRS reporting requirements for a non-profit.
As for electronic............. by regulation you can ask the membership to ''opt in'' to receive electronic communication but YOU CANNOT REQUIRE IT.
Strange.............. when the AMA gets blamed for following government regulations.
Brad
ORIGINAL: scale only 4 me
That may or may not be true history, Seam to me if that was the case the By-laws could have been changed,,
Now, with new media it wouldn't cost them jack to email or just post the newsletter online if a member chose that over the rag..
That may or may not be true history, Seam to me if that was the case the By-laws could have been changed,,
Now, with new media it wouldn't cost them jack to email or just post the newsletter online if a member chose that over the rag..
As for electronic............. by regulation you can ask the membership to ''opt in'' to receive electronic communication but YOU CANNOT REQUIRE IT.
Strange.............. when the AMA gets blamed for following government regulations.
Brad
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ORIGINAL: RCKen
Ok gentlemen. This discussion is getting WAY off topic here. The thread is about this month's issue of Model Aviation. If you wish to continue the side discussion that has developed then that needs to be taken out to a new thread.
Thanks
Ken
Ok gentlemen. This discussion is getting WAY off topic here. The thread is about this month's issue of Model Aviation. If you wish to continue the side discussion that has developed then that needs to be taken out to a new thread.
Thanks
Ken
This is the topic of the OP,, the mag being Subsidized it the issue,, not the content.. it's reiterated in post 4
ORIGINAL: Hossfly
May I suggest that no one overlooks my little comment in the OP?
''It's great as a subsidized magazine should be.''
May I suggest that no one overlooks my little comment in the OP?
''It's great as a subsidized magazine should be.''
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RE: June 2011 AMA's Model Aviation
ORIGINAL: scale only 4 me
Ken,
This is the topic of the OP,, the mag being Subsidized it the issue,, not the content.. it's reiterated in post 4
Ken,
This is the topic of the OP,, the mag being Subsidized it the issue,, not the content.. it's reiterated in post 4
ORIGINAL: Hossfly
May I suggest that no one overlooks my little comment in the OP?
''It's great as a subsidized magazine should be.''
May I suggest that no one overlooks my little comment in the OP?
''It's great as a subsidized magazine should be.''
Ken
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RE: June 2011 AMA's Model Aviation
ORIGINAL: OP- Hossfly
May I suggest that no one overlooks my little comment in the OP?
''It's great as a subsidized magazine should be.''
May I suggest that no one overlooks my little comment in the OP?
''It's great as a subsidized magazine should be.''
the June MA was far better than what one could put forth as a subsidized magazine:
At least the creaters of the June MA didnt stoop
to loading up with features on their own kids
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Can someone explain the Futaba ad on the last page to me? Its says the 8fg got a standing "0" for its great FSSS and features. Is this a typo or did it go over my head?
Spectrum flier,
Aircamperace
Spectrum flier,
Aircamperace
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ORIGINAL: Tarasdad
Sorry, but you're not being ''forced'' into anything. Your CHOICE is to be an AMA member or not. MA comes with the membership. Easy enough.
Guess I must be one of the oddballs, because I happen to thoroughly enjoy reading MA and look forward to it every month.
Sorry, but you're not being ''forced'' into anything. Your CHOICE is to be an AMA member or not. MA comes with the membership. Easy enough.
Guess I must be one of the oddballs, because I happen to thoroughly enjoy reading MA and look forward to it every month.
Do not worry Tarasdad, it always the same cast of characters. It is always the same position: I want to be a member, but I do not want the magazine, and I want to pay less because I do not want it.
OK, AOPA, IMMA, EAA, nor any of the other organizations I belong to do this either. You are a member, you are entitled to a mag. Do not like it? We do not mail you a copy. Want money back? What? You smoke your tea? You are supposed to sip it!
The funny thing is that some of the people that have a problem are not AMA members anyway...
Again, always the same handful of characters...
Want some cheese with that whine...?
Gerry
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RE: June 2011 AMA's Model Aviation
ORIGINAL: AircamperAce
Can someone explain the Futaba ad on the last page to me? Its says the 8fg got a standing ''0'' for its great FSSS and features. Is this a typo or did it go over my head?
Spectrum flier,
Aircamperace
Can someone explain the Futaba ad on the last page to me? Its says the 8fg got a standing ''0'' for its great FSSS and features. Is this a typo or did it go over my head?
Spectrum flier,
Aircamperace
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ORIGINAL: CowboyLifesaver
I love getting MA....it's a great disposable place to mix epoxy.....Just tear off the used page and you have your next mixing surface.
I love getting MA....it's a great disposable place to mix epoxy.....Just tear off the used page and you have your next mixing surface.
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ORIGINAL: CowboyLifesaver
I love getting MA....it's a great disposable place to mix epoxy.....Just tear off the used page and you have your next mixing surface.
I love getting MA....it's a great disposable place to mix epoxy.....Just tear off the used page and you have your next mixing surface.
It took the place of my Sears catalog.
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Wow, what a bunch of babies. Don't like it? Throw it out. Don't like AMA? Don't renew. No one has a gun to your head. But then you can't fly at an AMA site? ahhh, well, you can't have it both ways. I support AMA and enjoy the magazine.
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ORIGINAL: prebres
Wow, what a bunch of babies. Don't like it? Throw it out. Don't like AMA? Don't renew. No one has a gun to your head. But then you can't fly at an AMA site? ahhh, well, you can't have it both ways. I support AMA and enjoy the magazine.
Wow, what a bunch of babies. Don't like it? Throw it out. Don't like AMA? Don't renew. No one has a gun to your head. But then you can't fly at an AMA site? ahhh, well, you can't have it both ways. I support AMA and enjoy the magazine.
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Thanks a bunch Michael for your input on this topic. Believe the time has come for the MA issue to go paperless for those who chose this form of receiving the monthly magazine. It surely would reduce the publication costs while letting each member only download the articles of interest which would surely allow me to pass through the advertising. I personally have never questioned the integrity of the article authors. Any chance to change my issue of MA to an e-mail download?
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