dmscpu

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Does anyone have the replacement fuselage and tail feathers for this aircraft?
Miss Wind S 50e White/Blue ARF

Mike Scott

ModellbauUK

I have a spare A50-16S and would very interested to know if there is much difference between this motor and the A50-14S. OIff topic Iknow but looking to install the A50-16S in a Sebart Pilatus PC-21 which has the A50-14S as the recommended motor

Ian

nosram

I have three questions to ask, as I am assembling my Miss Wind:

1) Looking at some of the pictures it seems as though the battery end up too far back to get a good hold with velcro straps. If this is correct is there an easy solution for anchoring the battery
2) Again looking at the pictures is seems as though the best place for the reciever is underneath the battery tray, adjacent to the lower wing servo lead exit. Is there a better place for it?
3) Obviously this depends where the reciever is located, but does anyone have a list of servo lead extension lengths?

Thank you in advance to anyone who helps me out here
Nick Marson

Ark-x400

1) The battery does sit back a bit, but in mine I have some velcro on the battery tray and the battery and a velcro strap that wraps around the battery towards the front. It holds the battery very securly,
2) That is the same place i have my receiver mounted.
3) I am not sure of servo lead extentions but am pretty sure I used some 30cm and some 10/15cm leads for the ailerons. The elevator and rudder servos used 60cm leads I think.

nosram

That's great info, thank you very much

huison2005

hi , i just got my new Miss wind finished and maiden her last Sunday ...... with full charged battery 6s 5000 25c
reading on watts meter on the ground 66amp with apc16x10 1440watts ..... than i have probleum with the first maiden flight, it fly with half throttle no probleum ... when i push it to full throttle for few sec the esc shot down [X(] !!

Lucky it was high enough for me to land her safely... esc was Jeti 70 basic opto ..?!

It was 4mins flight only .... and i try tough the motor ,it was HOT !! you can't leave your finger more than 3sec !!
If i go 16x12 or 17x10 .. can the hacker A50-16S handle it...??

i have cut more hole for the intake .... hopefully it helps..!

Ark-x400

Going to a bigger prop will only load the motor even more and make it run hotter. I have the A50 16S in my Ms Wind and after a 7-8 minute flight it never gets any hotter than just being warm.

huison2005

May i know what prop are you using ...? APC16X10-E ? is 1400 watts enought for pattern flying....

Now i have put in a new esc 100amp from hobby wing (platinium series) .

RCBruski65

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I have an APC 16x12-E on my A50-16s with a CC Ice75, and get around 62amps and 1600 watts. I have never had the motor or batteries get more than warm after a 7 min flight.

bem

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Hi huison2005,

I have the other Sebart plane, Wind S 50E, with Hacker A50-16S V2 14 pole (withCastle Creations "Phoenix ICE 100" ESC and DesirePower V8 6 cell 5200 mAh 35CLiPo)with APC Thin Electric 17x10E and it gives these values (from 9 flights in summer temperature): see images below.

Notice the max watt that is produced at full throttle, 1669 watt, that is more thentheHacker A50-16S V2 is rated for that is 1250 watt. I have used this setup for 9 months and have many hundreds flights without any problem. I do not run full throttle much so the watt is lower usually.

First image below is Celsius as unit for ESC temp, the scond is Fahrenheit. It is average values over 12 sessions/flights with total duration of 5550 seconds = 92.5 minutes, average 7.7 min per session/flight (I usually fly max 8 min in summer and 7 min in winter on above setup and have at least 20% left in battery after a flight).
It is from downloaded data from my ICE 100 ESC and viewed on my laptop with CastleLink Graph Viewer.

I would not use APC Thin Electric 17x10E with Your ESC since You probably will hit 70 amp as I do at full throttle and Your ESC will probably not be happy with that.
You should be more comfortable with a 100 amp ESC then in my opinion so You have some margin. As You can see my ESC is just 50 deg Celsius / 121 Fahrenheit hot at full throttle and that is no problem at all.

/Bo

huison2005

WOW.... GREAT info there... bem , i have take out the jeti 70 and replace with hobbywing 2-6s 100amp Platinium ESC... with bust 120amp , should get it right

I will try the 16x10 for a few flight than try the 17x10 .... hopefully the hacker can live with that .... in Malaysia it is hot weather here , maybe that cause the heat probleum...

i have enlarge the intake hole and open up an air scop left and right side of the fuselarge to get more air in to cool the battery as well , hope this help abit ...!!

bem

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Hi,
If You need extra cooling Tru Turn has special electric spinners with holes. Expensive but looks very nice, Turbo-Cool Electric Spinners.

http://www.truturn.com/cgi-bin/store...ics130&maxp=30

One has to specify cut out for the prop in use,buy one of their outrunner adapter shaft and precision backplate modification,
For a 2 1/4 inch standard Turbo-Cool Electric Spinner you will end up at a cost about US $70 (plus shipping cost). They better be effective to help cooling the motor at that price tag. I asked True Turn last week for such spinner with cut out for APC Thin Electric 17x10E and got an answer from them what was needed and the cost for 2 1/4 inch standard Turbo-Cool Electric spinner that I'm thinking to try on my Wind S 50E (monoplane) with Hacker A50-16S V2. I use an aeronaut 57 mm (2 1/4 inch) spinner today (it is rather good and better then the spinner that was shipped in the Sebart box for Wind S 50E).

/Bo

Rob Howarth

My MW set up is A50 16S with Hacker 110 OPTO ESC. I run it on a 17x10E APC. Although in the UK our ambient temps are lower I never have issues with overtemping motors or ESC's. I did originally have a Hacker 70 OPTO ESC but it wasn't adequate and therefore changed to the 110.

The airplane flies perfect on 17x10E with plenty of power.

Rob

CMTE_FAVERO

Hello, I'm flying a Miss Wind S 50 in Brazil, and I use the Turnigy motor G60 400kV. I really liked the performance of the engine with 6S batteries. I did some bench tests to decide which prop to use. Following data:

G60 - 400kV - ESC Castle Creations 100A Lite Ice - Custom Timing (3) - 12kHz PWM - Firmware v3.21 - Low Start engine (0) - Low Accel response (2) - Nano-Tech Battery Turnigy 6S 4000mAh - 35/70C

No Load - 24.7 V - 0.9 A - 9501RPM
APC-E 15x8 - V 23.2 - 45.8 A - 8005RPM - 4963g - 85.4%
APC-E 16x8 - V 22.9 - 66.3 A - 7547RPM - 5956g - 64.3%
APC-E 16x10 - V 22.5 - 77.4 A - 7239RPM
APC-E 16x12 - V 22.7 - 85.2 A - 6804RPM
APC-E 17x10 - V 22.3 - 77.4 A - 7144 RPM - 5774g - 70.4%

OBS.: In other tests I did while using a wattmeter, I found that the results presented in the log of the ESC were always 10% higher for the current values​​. The above values ​​were not corrected, only compiled for the post.

bigmark61

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andresete

¿cual es su envergadura? 1,47cm o 1,52cm en la pagina de sebart dice 1,52cm en cambio el mio tiene 1,47cm

¿han cambiado la envergadura?

Velco

After assembling and flying my 2x2 Sickle I have to say that my respect for Miss Wind 50 has even gone up! I am very impressed with the flying qualities of my Sickle but this small bipe is also incredible in calm conditions. With the wind up to 3m/s it can be really used as a competition plane against 2x2 models.

So far I have been using a Hacker A50-10S on 5S and 15x10 prop. This winter I will put an A50-12S and a Xoar 16x12 so it should be even better. I am also very happy with Futaba 3152 in the tail and InoLab HGD202HB in the wings.

Velco

Dsnow

I bought the package deal from F3A a few months ago ( http://www.f3aunlimited.com/webstore...roducts_id=378 ) and been very happy with it. I do not have too many flights on the plane but did settle on an APC 18x10 prop with the Hacker A50 16s and 6 cell batteries, good power and speed plus it helps slow the down lines more than the 16x12 and 17x10 props I've tried. I hope to use it for a winter practice plane especially if I can get it into the mini-van in one piece.

Dave Snow

GlennO

I'm also running a 17x12 on my A50 which I fell works great. I can get through P and F13 without any issues.
The miss wind flies at a nice speed and i use a spin 99 which has enabled me to use a brake for slowing it down on the down lines.

Great little plane, really enjoy mine.

doogiehl

Hi,
I am running the A50 16s with a CC Ice 100 and APC 16x12 electric prop and TP 4400 6s.
I tried 16x10, 17x12 acp and xoar 17x10 16x10. Best for this combo was the 16x12 at sea level for me.
Because its a bipe and draggy there is no benefit to open up the throttle, you hit a constant speed whether you throttle manage or lead foot it. I was disappointed in performance initially but that was because motor was over heating as soon as I use 3/4 throttle( and avoided full throttle) and I also set a slight smooth throttle curve delay, the performance was much better. With the larger props the motor just over heats and gets reduced lifespan. The performance is poorer when it overheats, so back of the power and youll get a longer flight with better performance keeping things cooler. Way back I trialed the TT turbo cooling spinners they help increase performance and over heating of esc and motor. I use them on a Vanquish 2m and now a Wind S pro with Q80 setup. Keeps everything cool.
Some of my friends in ASIA also cut air intakes in the sides of the fuse to help with airflow and cooling.

regards Doogie

jthomas235

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It is good to see this thread alive. It helped me when I put my first Miss Wind together. I've been flying for 35 years and this is has been my favorite airplane of all time. It must be, I'm on my forth kit and learned so much about electrics with it. Thanks to all who have contributed to this post.

John

Max1965

I have been flying my Miss Wind now for sometime with the Hacker motor as suggested. I really don't care for the Hacker as I would like a little more speed so I will be re-powering with another motor. I too must trim in up-elevator and so I intend on bringing the top wing down in the rear some. Are you guys saying I would need to bring the wing down about 1-1/2mm?

I noticed back in the threads there were some pilots asking about installing the wheel pants(spats) on this plane. I have been using this set of wheel pants on most all my larger planes. They work well ....look good and will fit even larger wheels...and I have never broken this pant on any of my planes. Here is the link:
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXLLB8&P=ML

Max1965

REPOWERED THE WIND AND NOW THE POWER IS THERE....GOOD SPEED TOO.
I am flying the Hyperion HP-ZS 4025-10 (505KV) on 6s 5500mah................love it!!

doogiehl

Hi Max, what prop are you running?
Also will the Hyperion bolt straight in to holes for the hacker or do you need to re drill and modify mount?
I have a AXI that would do the trick but lots of stuffing around to get it to fit as it has different bolt hold pattern to the Hacker.
Regards

Max1965

The Hyperion won't fit the holes.......I replaced the firewall/motor mount and drilled new holes.
I am turning a 17/10 or a 16/10...........I like the 17/10 best. Great vertical and speed. No problem with heat if I don't push it hard all the time...

The only thing I don't like about this plane is the way the motor is attached. I would rather have a cowling which could be removed and use my choice of motor mounts.....would make it easier to use different motors with different bolt patterns. Other than this the Wind is a reaal beauty.

I also zeroed out the wings and now fly with zero elevator trim...............Also opened up the front air scoop so more air would enter to the controller and batteries. Helps keep thing fairly cool.