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Old 07-06-2012, 04:26 AM
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I am looking for a comparison of these outrunner motors from guys who have or are using them. I am looking to power a 10.00 pound, 2 meter plane, with equal or more power in comparison to my PLETTY 30-10 EVO.

(Black Magic VF3 TO FLY THE P-13/F-13). Consider also, longevity, serviceability and efficency. Cost is an issue, so these are my choices.


1- HACKER A-60-7S-V2

2- HIMAX 6330-210 F3A

3- Make a suggestion.


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bholsten
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Old 07-06-2012, 04:46 AM
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The Pletty 30-09 is a brute. I propped mine down (20-13) from the start to keep the current reasonable. Performance then seemed equivalent to the 30-10 with a 21x14.

I got to fly John Gayer's Wind with the Hacker Q-80. That was the strongest pattern setup I've ever flown- ballistic if needed/wanted! Don't recall what prop he had on it.

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Dan,


Yeah,..I would love to run those but the VF3's nose design limits what I can do. I run a 30-10 EVO on my other VF3 that is 10.14oz , APC 21x14 with batteries in it and "I NEVER LET THE DOGS OUT" 3/4 throttle is enough to get through most manevours in P-13/F-13, not all of them!

I am following the post on the 30-09, the motor seem's to post some good numbers.

Right now I just need to get my 2nd VF3, which is my primary plane I converted over from A YS to EP flying. I have a budget I am working with in , so the A-60-7S-V2 or the HIMAX will have to do, unless someone has a good deal on a used PLETTY 30-10 Evo.


Thanks for you input and I will continue to watch the post.


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If you are looking at Plettenberg motors, you should be looking at the Advance 30-10. I don't have experience with Pletty yet, but I'm researching motors for my new 2M plane and have looked at oodles of data, plus witnessed several now in contests. It is the best combination of power, efficiency, and thermal management of the motors in their F3A lineup (The 30-09 draws high amps). It mounts like an in-runner - with a nose ring mount and a rear support. But there are probably other ways to do it if that doesn't work for you.
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In my opinion the Himax 210 is the best bang for the buck and the Pletty Advance is the best motor available. Well that is sometime available as the demand out strips Pletty's ability to produce. But there are still 2 in stock which is a rarity. There are other's on the market but I'm not familiar with them.
If I have any complaint about Himax it's their repair policy after the warranty is done. Basically there isn't one. But it's 2 for 1 vs: the Pletty's. M²
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Default RE: Who has the power?

The Advance 30-10 would be my first choice for sure having the extra $$$ to throw around, not to say I won't change my mind either. The HACKER and HIMAX were my next choices, but I don't know much about them or who is using them in FAI? I know the HiMAX is a drop in replacement for the 30-10 EVO.


Good stuff..

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The price difference between the 2 Pletty's is $44. I'm running 2 of the new Advance's and I also had the 30-10. I'm installing a Himax 210 into a Prolog for my Protege Brandon. I might have that in the air in a couple of days. So I'll have a good comparison soon. A number of really good fliers like Dale Arnoldare running the Himax with very good reports. I think the power is very comperable to the Pletty 30-10. I flewa friends EMotion earlierthis year with a 210 in it and was very impressed with the power.
I believe the Pletty Advance is slightly better as Joe Marri reported in the thread. M²
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Well that is sometime available as the demand out strips Pletty's ability to produce. But there are still 2 in stock which is a rarity.
Mike, you are killing me.
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I'm staring right at them. They are so pretty! It's raw power!!! Mike
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I was refering to the price difference between the Hacker/Himax compared to the EVO or the Advance. I know Dale and the D2 clan, as I was an FAI pilot/2009 Champion. I have been over seas since 2010 and just now coming back to fly. The Emotion is a big plane and JR was flying one or just finishing one before I left as was Larry Kauffman.


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Does the Himax-210 have an internal fan?


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Joe,

I fly with Dale Arnold and he passed down a Himax 210 to Charles Simmons, they both flew it to death, and then Charles just passed it down to Dale's son Kyle thru various airplane horse trade's and the motor is still going strong. It has to have over 500 or 600 flights on it. I have one as well and I have close to three hundred flights on mine with no issues at all. I rarely go full throttle with it flying Advanced. I have also flown most of the upcoming Masters schedule with it and had no power issues at all, its really strong. The only downside, it is a little heavier than the other motors mentioned here you might compare weight if that is going to be an issue for you. I suspect if you are flying F3A you might consider going high dollar, but otherwise the 210 is all you are going to need...Easy install out-runner, reliable, powerful and cost effective.

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The Emotion my friend owned was Joe Peck's at one time. Very nice flying plane and the Himax 210 was perfect for it. Mike
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Joe,

I fly with Dale Arnold and he passed down a Himax 210 to Charles Simmons, they both flew it to death, and then Charles just passed it down to Dale's son Kyle thru various airplane horse trade's and the motor is still going strong. It has to have over 500 or 600 flights on it. I have one as well and I have close to three hundred flights on mine with no issues at all. I rarely go full throttle with it flying Advanced. I have also flown most of the upcoming Masters schedule with it and had no power issues at all, its really strong. The only downside, it is a little heavier than the other motors mentioned here you might compare weight if that is going to be an issue for you. I suspect if you are flying F3A you might consider going high dollar, but otherwise the 210 is all you are going to need...Easy install out-runner, reliable, powerful and cost effective.

Rick
Rick I'd opt for the Advance if I were in FAI. The F pattern is brutal. Mike
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Reply to self,..6330-210 is 634grams! "And for that reason, I am out"

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Good logic
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Yes I suspected you might need something a little stronger for F...
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Yes, if you need to shed a few grams pull out the wallet...
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Mike,


I have a VF3 Black Magic that weighs 10lbs 14 ozs w/batteries ready to fly. This is my #2 plane that has a Pletty 30-10 EVO in it. The plane doesn't have any problems with the past or current FAI programs. My primary VF3 just converted over from my YS weighted exactly 10lbs and it currently weighs 9.85 lbs with the 30-10 EVO, Jetti spin 99, two 1000mah lipos for Rx and Rhino 4900 packs, so I just need to add the spinner and prop. to it and I'm done. However,..I am just using that equipment as a base line, as I am either going to run the HACKER A60-S7-V2 or the Advance 30-10, if I can find a 30-10 Advance in stock?

More than likely the HACKER,..... can by 2 to 1- vs- the Pletty.



Good info. keep it coming.

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Rick,


Yeah,..your absolutely right,...performance cost!

However, through due-dilligence, research and networking you can at times find equal alternative that will serve the purpose.

A. Jeskey is testing the HACKER A60-S7-V2 in his 2M Osiris proto type and a few have posted that the motor pulls the snott out of it through the FAI programs.

That motor is only $216.00 bucks and 595 ounces,..but it still has me a bit gun shy.


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If it turns out reliable, that Hacker would be a nice choice as well.

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I think we are going to find out,....


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I'm staring right at them. They are so pretty! It's raw power!!! Mike
Does that mean one is going in a box??
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Reply to self,..6330-210 is 634grams! ''And for that reason, I am out''
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Me too. That is the reason. I wish weight wasn't an issue, but for the Integral it really is. Plus I'd have to add a 70g firewall (maybe shave a little weight with holes, but still...).
The Advance is under 600g with the prop adapter, and the mount is 18g.

Lightweight motors:

The Torque "Silver Bullet" (Extremeflightrc.com is one vendor) is 588g. That is the motor intended for the EF Vanquish 2M. The first page on the Vanquish thread has a pic of that motor on a scale.

Motrolfly 5320 (Subsonicplanes.com) is a like a 'boutique' high end motor. Ken at Subsonic planes custom winds whatever you want, so you can get the 5320 wound to 230kV or 220kV. They are listed to handle 2800+ Watts. There are a lot of guys at the other forum running them, many of whom switched over from Hacker. That motor is about 18oz.

Dualsky F3A motor is also posting some pretty low weights.

Some other options: check out the Fury motors from Shulman Aviation. Probably something like the Himax - not sure of the weight, but they are Pletty clones.

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I fly the dualsky 6355 223 kv. 580 grams

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