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07-17-2012, 04:46 AM
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RE: Nuance
ORIGINAL: TonyF
Chip is such a hoot! Don't remember saying anything against him in my post and it's kind of hard to understand why he took some shots at me.
jayjayneri, since you wanted info to try to eliminate the throttle to rudder mix, I hope my info helped. I tried the throttle to rudder mix a while back with Chip's insistence, but I found for me it caused other problems and could be eliminated with careful adjustment of the side thrust/rudder trim. I think it's one of those things that in theory sounds good but in practice it's not needed. At least that's how I saw it but YMMV. Chip seems to feel it's needed but it just didn't seem that way for me.
I also noted your need for a throttle to aileron mix. What motor are you using and are you using any braking in the downlines? Also, are your ailerons centered at level trim? A lot of the Nuances I have seen and heard about the stock incidence settings require some aileron trim. I think you really need to get any roll trim out by adjusting the wing incidences. I installed adjusters in mine and I started with the incidences as originally built in to the model. The 1st few flights needed roll trim but I adjusted it out. That may be the source of your roll on downlines.
Now I guess I'll get to see what I said now that Chip didn't like!
Chip is such a hoot! Don't remember saying anything against him in my post and it's kind of hard to understand why he took some shots at me.
jayjayneri, since you wanted info to try to eliminate the throttle to rudder mix, I hope my info helped. I tried the throttle to rudder mix a while back with Chip's insistence, but I found for me it caused other problems and could be eliminated with careful adjustment of the side thrust/rudder trim. I think it's one of those things that in theory sounds good but in practice it's not needed. At least that's how I saw it but YMMV. Chip seems to feel it's needed but it just didn't seem that way for me.
I also noted your need for a throttle to aileron mix. What motor are you using and are you using any braking in the downlines? Also, are your ailerons centered at level trim? A lot of the Nuances I have seen and heard about the stock incidence settings require some aileron trim. I think you really need to get any roll trim out by adjusting the wing incidences. I installed adjusters in mine and I started with the incidences as originally built in to the model. The 1st few flights needed roll trim but I adjusted it out. That may be the source of your roll on downlines.
Now I guess I'll get to see what I said now that Chip didn't like!
Hi Tony, I did install wing adjusters in my Nuance and I will double check to see if my ailerons are centered. I am playing around with my side thrust and rudder trim. I do believe I have reduced or even eliminated my need for throttle to rudder mix. I can't be totally sure until I get a day with little or no wind. I am glad you and Arch were able to get rid of your downline rolls. That means I should be able to get rid of mine too by playing with the wing adjusters. I do agree with Chip that there is nothing wrong with using mixing when necessary but the less mixing you have the better. So I will continue to work hard to trim my Nuance. I am still not sure whether I will use the Nuance or Toxiris for the Asian Championships in September. Thanks again.
07-17-2012, 05:24 AM
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RE: Nuance
ORIGINAL: jayjayneri
...I did install wing adjusters in my Nuance and I will double check to see if my ailerons are centered. I am playing around with my side thrust and rudder trim. I do believe I have reduced or even eliminated my need for throttle to rudder mix. I can't be totally sure until I get a day with little or no wind. I am glad you and Arch were able to get rid of your downline rolls. That means I should be able to get rid of mine too by playing with the wing adjusters...
...I did install wing adjusters in my Nuance and I will double check to see if my ailerons are centered. I am playing around with my side thrust and rudder trim. I do believe I have reduced or even eliminated my need for throttle to rudder mix. I can't be totally sure until I get a day with little or no wind. I am glad you and Arch were able to get rid of your downline rolls. That means I should be able to get rid of mine too by playing with the wing adjusters...
07-17-2012, 01:47 PM
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I need to borrow some glue if mine is to make it to the nats.. Anyone have a few gallons to spare?
Guess I'm glad I didn't have the money to make the trip to the nats this year.
Went down in the tomato field while they were watering.. All the electronics somehow ended up a foot down in the water.. Imagine that. [:-]
Sometimes life kicks ya when you are down. Today is definitely one of those days.
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Guess I'm glad I didn't have the money to make the trip to the nats this year.
Went down in the tomato field while they were watering.. All the electronics somehow ended up a foot down in the water.. Imagine that. [:-]
Sometimes life kicks ya when you are down. Today is definitely one of those days.
Chris
07-17-2012, 03:58 PM
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Sometimes life kicks ya when you are down. Today is definitely one of those days.
Chris
Sometimes life kicks ya when you are down. Today is definitely one of those days.
Chris
WOW....that was a bad un'....really sorry to see that Chris...hang in there.
07-18-2012, 06:47 AM
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Chris - Hang in there man! That is such a drag for so many reasons but one big one is that you were flying it so well. That plane really fit you well. Don't give up!
07-18-2012, 08:08 AM
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Just in case anyone is interested in one for sale I just listed mine.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/ite...871&electric=0
Thanks, Mike
http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/ite...871&electric=0
Thanks, Mike
07-19-2012, 07:56 PM
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Hi all, Mine was measured with the canopy off. Sorry Chris about your plane...... In response to a previous post I am attending the nats with my Nuance. I am about 6 hours away, will be in on Friday. Anyone know where to practice? I have been on a great pattern trip with Hemet CA as the kick off then Boise ID followed by Victoria BC, and then Memphis MI then on to northern Main for about a week of practice and finally to the nats. The trip ODO on the truck reads 8120 since leaving the end of may! I have flown the Nuance in all sorts of weather and have been happy with the performance, I can see differences in performance/rates and speed with altitude and baro changes.
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07-19-2012, 08:21 PM
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Mine was canopy on.
I was trying a more rearward cg for the past, should I say it's last 2 days and I really didn't like it as much as I did when it was a bit more nose heavy. I added a touch of positive to the wings also and had straightened the wings out to get rid of the aileron trim. To me, it made a big difference. I had noticed it rolling out on down lines because of the trim it carried at mid throttle for normal flight.
John, good luck at the nats. Sounds like a very fun trip you are having! I love the nats. It's a great overall experience. More so than just the flying. Seeing everyone from different parts of the country, and seeing how they do things a bit different is a learning experience for me. I always try to watch the more "talented' flyers (of course the most talented are in D7
) and take something away from their flights that I could see that would be an improvement to my flights.
Take it all in, enjoy it, and have fun!
Chris
I was trying a more rearward cg for the past, should I say it's last 2 days and I really didn't like it as much as I did when it was a bit more nose heavy. I added a touch of positive to the wings also and had straightened the wings out to get rid of the aileron trim. To me, it made a big difference. I had noticed it rolling out on down lines because of the trim it carried at mid throttle for normal flight.
John, good luck at the nats. Sounds like a very fun trip you are having! I love the nats. It's a great overall experience. More so than just the flying. Seeing everyone from different parts of the country, and seeing how they do things a bit different is a learning experience for me. I always try to watch the more "talented' flyers (of course the most talented are in D7
) and take something away from their flights that I could see that would be an improvement to my flights.Take it all in, enjoy it, and have fun!
Chris
07-20-2012, 02:00 AM
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Guys,
The CG numbers you're quoting (260, 270, etc) are with the canopy off or on?
Thanks
Guys,
The CG numbers you're quoting (260, 270, etc) are with the canopy off or on?
Thanks
07-20-2012, 07:12 PM
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Hey John
Good Luck, you'll do just fine. You can try Madison County Flying site, it's about 30 min's away from Munice, Jerry Budd is there I think, so able you can hook up with him.
For Advanced, go to site 4, that is where you will be flying, it's sometime busy.
Good luck, an tell your wife I said hello
Jarvis
Good Luck, you'll do just fine. You can try Madison County Flying site, it's about 30 min's away from Munice, Jerry Budd is there I think, so able you can hook up with him.
For Advanced, go to site 4, that is where you will be flying, it's sometime busy.
Good luck, an tell your wife I said hello
Jarvis