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10-13-2010, 11:14 PM
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Good idea Dave. Mine was ballooning up some and I moved the CG up forward more and it fixed it. I'm going to check the alerons with a rubber band too. Thanks again.
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ORIGINAL: Wingspam
I needed a replacement for my OMP 40 size yak and the Extra 260 looked like it would fit the bill. I placed my order from Aeroworks on Monday and 4 days later there it was sitting on my porch begging to be assembled.
From my OMP yak, I had left an Os 55ax, battery, rec., 4 hitec 645 mg servos. All I needed was a mini servo for the throttle (Died in the crash). So after a trip to the LHS I started on my new plane.
I gently ripped open the box and inspected the contents, it was packed very well and I found no damage anywhere. There where quiet a few wrinkles over the entire plane, so about an hour later it was about 99% wrinkle free. Pretty much followed the instructions as they are written and had no problem putting everything togather. I am not real thrilled with having only 1 bolt to hold the wings togather, but what can you do. I used all the supplied hardware except the tail wheel, (I had a sullivan left over from the OMP crash) so I used it instead. If I had to point out 1 thing I absolutely did not like about this plane, it would be how the wire from the throttle is ran under the outside of the wing. (Why not make a channel for it like the rest of the wires?)
Now its time to balance the plane, at the recommended cg of 4 1/8'' the plane balanced tail heavy. I had to add 4oz to nose and half an oz for latteral balance. Total build time was around 6 hours so not too bad.
For the maiden I put on the side force generators, since I have never had a plane with them. I taxied out on the field, lined it up and away it went. I immediatley had to add 8 clicks of up elevator to level out the nose, lateral balance was perfect. Made a few passes and landed to remove 2 of the 1/4 oz weights, took off again and was expecting to adjust the elevator trim but it didn't change. So next time out I will take another 1/2 oz off to see if it makes a difference in trim.
When it come to the landing characteristics of this plane, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. As I made my landing call I started a new pass and was bleeding of speed, as i lined up with the runway and continued to drop the throttle the nose started to rise higher and higher at 1 point it was not making anymore forward progress. It almost appeared to come to a full stop with the nose pointing up about 45 degrees. I Throttled up and went around again, this time I kept a little more throttle as I came in, the nose still rose up but not quite as bad and it made a perfect 3 point landing.
I made 4 flights on it today and plan on going out again tomorrow, so if you have any suggestions for the couple of problems I encountered I would be very thankful.
I needed a replacement for my OMP 40 size yak and the Extra 260 looked like it would fit the bill. I placed my order from Aeroworks on Monday and 4 days later there it was sitting on my porch begging to be assembled.
From my OMP yak, I had left an Os 55ax, battery, rec., 4 hitec 645 mg servos. All I needed was a mini servo for the throttle (Died in the crash). So after a trip to the LHS I started on my new plane.
I gently ripped open the box and inspected the contents, it was packed very well and I found no damage anywhere. There where quiet a few wrinkles over the entire plane, so about an hour later it was about 99% wrinkle free. Pretty much followed the instructions as they are written and had no problem putting everything togather. I am not real thrilled with having only 1 bolt to hold the wings togather, but what can you do. I used all the supplied hardware except the tail wheel, (I had a sullivan left over from the OMP crash) so I used it instead. If I had to point out 1 thing I absolutely did not like about this plane, it would be how the wire from the throttle is ran under the outside of the wing. (Why not make a channel for it like the rest of the wires?)
Now its time to balance the plane, at the recommended cg of 4 1/8'' the plane balanced tail heavy. I had to add 4oz to nose and half an oz for latteral balance. Total build time was around 6 hours so not too bad.
For the maiden I put on the side force generators, since I have never had a plane with them. I taxied out on the field, lined it up and away it went. I immediatley had to add 8 clicks of up elevator to level out the nose, lateral balance was perfect. Made a few passes and landed to remove 2 of the 1/4 oz weights, took off again and was expecting to adjust the elevator trim but it didn't change. So next time out I will take another 1/2 oz off to see if it makes a difference in trim.
When it come to the landing characteristics of this plane, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. As I made my landing call I started a new pass and was bleeding of speed, as i lined up with the runway and continued to drop the throttle the nose started to rise higher and higher at 1 point it was not making anymore forward progress. It almost appeared to come to a full stop with the nose pointing up about 45 degrees. I Throttled up and went around again, this time I kept a little more throttle as I came in, the nose still rose up but not quite as bad and it made a perfect 3 point landing.
I made 4 flights on it today and plan on going out again tomorrow, so if you have any suggestions for the couple of problems I encountered I would be very thankful.
Guy in our club had a similar issue, he build the 60-90 size, with the OS 75AX, balanced it at recommended cg, needed 4oz in the tail. First couple of flights the plane flew okay, but did not want to land too easily. Turned out he need to remove all the weight in the tail and add 2oz to the nose, after the weight shift it flew and landed great. Could AW be off on there recommended cg points for these planes? just a thought...
10-15-2010, 06:39 PM
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ORIGINAL: Wingspam
Reported my finding to Aeroworks and they replied:
It sounds like your ailerons may not be perfectly centered, with the SFG bolted in place to the trailing edges of the ailerons line up with the center of the SFG? If the ailerons are in a down position it can cause the characteristics you are describing.
Mark Dennis
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Aeroworks, Inc.
4903 Nome Street
Denver, CO 80239
303-371-4222 ext. 105 - Phone
303-371-4320 - Fax
It's been too windy to try his suggestion, so hopefully this weekend will be better
Reported my finding to Aeroworks and they replied:
It sounds like your ailerons may not be perfectly centered, with the SFG bolted in place to the trailing edges of the ailerons line up with the center of the SFG? If the ailerons are in a down position it can cause the characteristics you are describing.
Mark Dennis
Aeroworks Tech Support
Aeroworks, Inc.
4903 Nome Street
Denver, CO 80239
303-371-4222 ext. 105 - Phone
303-371-4320 - Fax
It's been too windy to try his suggestion, so hopefully this weekend will be better
I was also able to take off all but a 1/2 oz of weight on the nose and 1/4 oz for lateral balance, now the plane fly's like I thought it should. After taking off so much weight I was expecting my elevator trim to change, but it did not I am still flying with the same amount of up trim I had with all the extra weight on it. But it does fly a whole lot better.
4 flight's today 3 of them being a 3 point landing..
10-16-2010, 09:59 AM
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You might check the up/down thrust on your engine. It can be eye balled most of the time. Take a yard stick and line it up with the center of the glow plug and prop shaft. See if it runs parallel to the fuse. It's easy to get the up/down thrust a little off on a profile.
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03-07-2012, 10:44 PM
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How's everyone doing with their ProX260 profiles by now that the honeymoon is over. They don't seem to be too popular with the 3D Bros I think because of the weight. Oh well, mine (both sizes) have been sitting in the box...... finally got the smaller one allmost built and have a YS 70 for it. How's that for power?
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06-03-2012, 09:07 PM
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Mine's doin' great with the YS 70 and 14x4W prop. Tons of power and it flat spins pretty good now with the CG back a bit and more throw on the elevator!
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06-04-2012, 07:56 AM
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Mine's doin' great with the YS 70 and 14x4W prop. Tons of power and it flat spins pretty good now with the CG back a bit and more throw on the elevator!
Ernie
Mine's doin' great with the YS 70 and 14x4W prop. Tons of power and it flat spins pretty good now with the CG back a bit and more throw on the elevator!
Ernie
06-04-2012, 09:16 PM
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Good question John. I've just been getting it dialed in real nice with them on and the engine broken in good so far. Will definitely have to try that though.
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06-05-2012, 12:25 PM
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I have a Carl Goldberg Extreme 330 with a .51 Como Tiger on it. I could get the thing to climb in a flat spin. If I tried to climb to fast...it would roll out of the flat spin. Anyway it sure was fun! Still have the thing 5-6 years now. Capt,n
06-07-2012, 05:15 PM
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ORIGINAL: daveopam
You might check the up/down thrust on your engine. It can be eye balled most of the time. Take a yard stick and line it up with the center of the glow plug and prop shaft. See if it runs parallel to the fuse. It's easy to get the up/down thrust a little off on a profile.
David
You might check the up/down thrust on your engine. It can be eye balled most of the time. Take a yard stick and line it up with the center of the glow plug and prop shaft. See if it runs parallel to the fuse. It's easy to get the up/down thrust a little off on a profile.
David
06-07-2012, 06:49 PM
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Hey John, did you get the small Prox260, the big one, or? Which engine you going with?
If there is unwanted up thrust you will be flying around with a bit of down elevator. Then when you chop the throttle the plane will tend to dive a bit.
Down thrust is just the opposite. The plane will tend to balloon up when you chop the throttle.
Ernie Misner
If there is unwanted up thrust you will be flying around with a bit of down elevator. Then when you chop the throttle the plane will tend to dive a bit.
Down thrust is just the opposite. The plane will tend to balloon up when you chop the throttle.
Ernie Misner
06-07-2012, 06:54 PM
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Hey John, did you get the small Prox260, the big one, or? Which engine you going with?
If there is unwanted up thrust you will be flying around with a bit of down elevator. Then when you chop the throttle the plane will tend to dive a bit.
Down thrust is just the opposite. The plane will tend to balloon up when you chop the throttle.
Ernie Misner
If there is unwanted up thrust you will be flying around with a bit of down elevator. Then when you chop the throttle the plane will tend to dive a bit.
Down thrust is just the opposite. The plane will tend to balloon up when you chop the throttle.
Ernie Misner
06-09-2012, 06:38 AM
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ORIGINAL: Ernie Misner
Hey John, did you get the small Prox260, the big one, or? Which engine you going with?
If there is unwanted up thrust you will be flying around with a bit of down elevator. Then when you chop the throttle the plane will tend to dive a bit.
Down thrust is just the opposite. The plane will tend to balloon up when you chop the throttle.
Ernie Misner
Hey John, did you get the small Prox260, the big one, or? Which engine you going with?
If there is unwanted up thrust you will be flying around with a bit of down elevator. Then when you chop the throttle the plane will tend to dive a bit.
Down thrust is just the opposite. The plane will tend to balloon up when you chop the throttle.
Ernie Misner
06-10-2012, 04:12 PM
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ORIGINAL: Ernie Misner
Hey John, did you get the small Prox260, the big one, or? Which engine you going with?
If there is unwanted up thrust you will be flying around with a bit of down elevator. Then when you chop the throttle the plane will tend to dive a bit.
Down thrust is just the opposite. The plane will tend to balloon up when you chop the throttle.
Ernie Misner
Hey John, did you get the small Prox260, the big one, or? Which engine you going with?
If there is unwanted up thrust you will be flying around with a bit of down elevator. Then when you chop the throttle the plane will tend to dive a bit.
Down thrust is just the opposite. The plane will tend to balloon up when you chop the throttle.
Ernie Misner
07-24-2012, 01:33 PM
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Must be this airplane is not too popular, not many postings done in this thread. Maybe some other forum...I don,t know what the final verdict will be. From what I see the airplane is too short coupled and causes the thing to be kinda jumpy or touchy on landings. I see some props get broken already on landings. I have a Carl Goldberg Extreme 330 Profile I have had for over 5 years. It is fun but, has it quirks because it isshort coupled too. That is the problem with profile planes....if you try to design a longer fuse....it sure as heck is going too be tail heavy.
I have just kinda lost interest in getting the thing in the air. Things started out bad...when the stupid wings would not line up to plug the wing together ino fuse. Well a lot of calls to Aeroworks, I finally got some idea how to fix the thing. If I had it too do over ...I would have sent it back for a refund. No cigar for this airplane. Maybea match..................................
I have just kinda lost interest in getting the thing in the air. Things started out bad...when the stupid wings would not line up to plug the wing together ino fuse. Well a lot of calls to Aeroworks, I finally got some idea how to fix the thing. If I had it too do over ...I would have sent it back for a refund. No cigar for this airplane. Maybea match..................................
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Hey John, actually that's a white cloud in the background, not a mountain. We are close to Mt. Rainier though and from a different field it IS in the background, almost in the forground.
Wierd about your wings not lining up right. You should get it going though, they are a lot of fun. Don't worry if it's a little heavier than some, still a floater with that big fat wing. My smaller one with the YS 70 is a blast.
Ernie
Wierd about your wings not lining up right. You should get it going though, they are a lot of fun. Don't worry if it's a little heavier than some, still a floater with that big fat wing. My smaller one with the YS 70 is a blast.
Ernie
07-29-2012, 05:54 AM
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Here is one with a Mintor 22 on it. First three flights on it yesterday! Running a Fromeco 2600 batt, Sahara regulator and a Aero-tech IBEC.
It came in at 7lbs 12oz.
When the motor is broke in, it should be a blast.
It came in at 7lbs 12oz.
When the motor is broke in, it should be a blast.
07-29-2012, 12:27 PM
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Ernie...I fixed the wing problem myself. It was really hard to find a a small gas tank for it. So I went to Wally World & bought a container of Purell Germ killer for hands. It is in the photo below ....second one down and is 12 oz.I added a aluminum ring on the neck like some of the other tanks on the market. It does not allow the neck to expand when you tighten the stopper. Also prevents splitting. The bottom tank is a 8 oz Du-Bro. I like my home made tank real well. I used fuel barbs and a filter clunk inside. I think it will work fine. Capt,n
ORIGINAL: Ernie Misner
We're waiting for you John. Do you have parts coming or just need to fix that wing setup yerself?
We're waiting for you John. Do you have parts coming or just need to fix that wing setup yerself?
07-30-2012, 11:24 AM
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ORIGINAL: Ernie Misner
Looks great John. Can regular glow tanks be used with a gas stopper in 'em?
Thanks,
Ernie
Looks great John. Can regular glow tanks be used with a gas stopper in 'em?
Thanks,
Ernie
One thing I am going too try is use some of the wing sets I bought in a package deal at a swap meet...is too copy the way AW did the 260 profile. Make hatches in top of wings and set the wings up too bolt on too a fuse of my own design. That way I can install the inards where I want. Good winter project.
07-30-2012, 04:44 PM
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One thing I am going too try is use some of the wing sets I bought in a package deal at a swap meet...is too copy the way AW did the 260 profile. Make hatches in top of wings and set the wings up too bolt on too a fuse of my own design. That way I can install the inards where I want. Good winter project. [img][/img]
One thing I am going too try is use some of the wing sets I bought in a package deal at a swap meet...is too copy the way AW did the 260 profile. Make hatches in top of wings and set the wings up too bolt on too a fuse of my own design. That way I can install the inards where I want. Good winter project. [img][/img]
Current thinking is the Mojo 65 as I like the idea of the stability offered by a longer tail moment as well. Though that won't be a done deal until I place the order. The length is what drew me to the Fusion. Have some ideas of my own, mostly beefing the engine mount area, and what seems to be the other tender spot, right behind the wing. Like the option of possibly making the control surfaces a little smaller as well. Doubt all out 3D is ever going to be attainable by somebody my age (not that I don't enjoy thrashing about though!). I just don't think I need control surfaces that big? Rather trade them for a little more forgiveness on my down lines...
Anyway, the Fusion uses the door setup in one wing. The screw goes through the fuse from that side, into a tee nut in the other wing. No need for a second door? Not for a wing bolt anyway.