cumminspower5.9

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I think last week it was first on the list

DieHarder

I got 81 here

toolmaker7341

Are you guy's kidding.worried about a couple of econo boxes.What would do with any real horsepower(600-800),probably hurt yourself.

cumminspower5.9

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Where in this thread does the mood come off as being "worried"? This would be the same type of conversation with higher HP cars. And I didn't know there was such thing as fake horsepower. Horsepower is horsepower. Some cars have higher than others.

Lunchboxer

NOS!

Foxy

I used to drive a car that has literally killed hundreds of people, the (majority of) Americans who owned one of the originals, found it so hard to drive, the manufacturer had to make a different model of it for sale in America, I used to drive it on the edge too, it tried to kill me a few times but failed, car had to go when baby daughter came, I can handle my horses thanks.

What's your daily driver?

HJJFFFAA

I don't recall ever hearing that an S2000 was considered difficult to drive. Nor have I heard of any special NA model, beyond the larger 2.2L engine...

The Hedgehog

Foxy have you ever mentioned HP/Liter to anyone in conversation? I never met a s2000 owner that hasn't lol

Lunchboxer

I think we all know the real reason why Foxy got rid of his S2000..

Just messing around, man.. hee.. !

Foxy

The F22C was created because Americans couldn't get the hang of driving a car that revved over 5000, fully 1200revs were cut from the top end, castrating the car. Americans were taking the car back saying it was slower than their wives' Jeeps because they were shifting at 3k lol.
Honda enthusiasts also purport that traction control was added because of young American kids killing themselves in the AP1, but this may or may not be hyperbole. I didn't make my point very clear anyway, which was...you can hurt yourself in the right car with a lot less than 600hp (please, don't come back with 'yeh you can hurt yourself ina 60hp car, if you crash into a wall, we all know what I'm saying here').

Hedgehog, make it honda enthusiasts in general, not just s2000 owners.

Still, I have a heavily biased view point on the muscle cars vs 4 bangers. I'm jealous, I pay 10 dollars a gallon for fuel.

narwalrus

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If that's your problem, convert it to this.. then you can say you drive a Spoon

Lunchboxer

Goofy looking top.. stock looks a lot better.. ha!

narwalrus

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Me gusta...

But in reality there is no Spoon.

Nitroaddicted

The zl1 puts out 580 hp and 556 lb ft of torque. And you have your hp numbers messed up. The v6, models put out 323 hp. The ss model puts out 426 hp and. 420 lb ft of torque. And i can add modifications to the SS as well. So your argument is sort of one sided. And i dont really care about gas mileage.

FahrtAutoRC

Yea....but Foxy BOUGHT his.....

Nitroaddicted

You really gonna go there?

FahrtAutoRC

Pretty sure I just did hahahaha

Nitroaddicted

Well Foxy's argument is biased, still.

HJJFFFAA

I'm pretty sure his viewpoint is mostly skewed by the tax on large displacements over there. I've consistently seen that engines that don't have stupidly high volumetric efficiencies get better mileage. For instance, 2009 Viper vs 2009 Honda S2000. EPA rates highway for the Viper at 22mpg and the 2000 at 25mpg where the Viper is making 600HP and the S2000 only ~240HP. There's also the same model year Corvette Z06 which is rated at 24mpg highway and has been reported by some to near 30MPG with a little effort.

cumminspower5.9

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I'd like to see it hang with the Accent.


Ready!.... Go!

Foxy

You're compltely right. I'm not objective, I admit it. 2.0 is considered large displacement here. I pay 900 bucks road tax for the privilege of driving a high powered 2.0. I then pay another 900bucks additional tax per year as 'luxury car tax' because anything oer 1.8 is considered a luxury car. It's completely ridiculous. then I hear you talking about 6l cars and I flip out. At least I'm honest.

But seriously, I hope you guys can get some more efficiency into your engines over the coming years, there is the environment to think about, honestly, I don't mean it in a bad way.

HJJFFFAA

But the big engines actually get pretty good mileage Come on 22MPG highway and 600HP, show me the Ferrari that does that.

Lunchboxer

To me, a better performance measure would probably be the HP / weight (and size) of the engine... !

But obviously there a lot more to it.. how reliable the engine is, etc.

And there's more to the enjoyment of driving than just performance.. to some, the sound is important.. so someone prefer a big V8, while someone prefer a high-revving smaller engine.. while turbo cars might make more power but the exhaust is very much muffled by the turbo, etc. So it really depends on what's important to you.. !

Foxy

And I could theoretically get 40mpg out of mine in stock form, will it ever happen? No, I drive my car how it was designed to be driven. Fast. Just like nobody who bought a camaro for the 'right' reasons will be so conservative as to get 22mpg. Sod the ferrari, that's an exotic, several steps of economy below even the muscle car, why don't we take the average fuel economy of a european car as a comparison instead? Would it shock you to hear that most people in Europe won't even look at a car that gets less than 55mpg? Smarts and Hyundai Atos and Kia Ceeds and Diesel Citroens are the order of the day here, and they can circumnavigate the world on a single tank almost.

However, there is a balance, an optimal, and if you ask me, it's between 2 and 3 liters with a turbo. Hell the Nissan GTR is a 3.8 making nearly 600hp with all the limiting turned off. Probably about the same on fuel as the camaro, but I'm just guessing.

Lunchboxer

Foxy, do you like electric cars? Do you see that taking over in Europe since the fuel is more expensive?

A friend of mine has a Chevy Volts.. his said he got 1350 miles or so between the last 2 fuel stops (7.5 gallon).. obviously, it is mostly plugged in.. but do you see more people in Europe buying things like this?