Soon to be banished from the face of the earth!
06-02-2004, 08:42 PM
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That would have to be the Porsche/Mooney with the automated single lever power system, Don,t know the model numbe no doubt M20 something or ruther.
What are you talking about banishment? A problem with the type certificate?
John
What are you talking about banishment? A problem with the type certificate?
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06-02-2004, 08:55 PM
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hmm. by the look of the landing gear I have to say it is in the mooney family of aircraft. easily distinguished by the absence of conventional oleo struts.
edit: when i posted the post above mine wasnt there, so i didnt get a clue from that post.
sean
edit: when i posted the post above mine wasnt there, so i didnt get a clue from that post.
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06-02-2004, 09:06 PM
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RE: Soon to be banished from the face of the earth!
Porsche is "buying" all of them back. Actually they are reimbursing the owners something like $35,000 for an engine swap. ( Continental 550?) Mod Works in Punta Gorda Fl is doing lots of them. I thought this was a nice example of a soon to be extinct bird,,, note, look at the "N" number.
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RE: Soon to be banished from the face of the earth!
N-number : N911GT
Aircraft Serial Number : 26-0038
Aircraft Manufacturer : MOONEY
Model : M20L
Engine Manufacturer : PORSCHE
Model : PFM 3200 NO3
Aircraft Year :
Owner Name : MOD WORKS INC
Owner Address : 8250 SKYLANE WAY
PUNTA GORDA, FL, 33982-2438
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 12-Nov-2003
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Normal
Aircraft Serial Number : 26-0038
Aircraft Manufacturer : MOONEY
Model : M20L
Engine Manufacturer : PORSCHE
Model : PFM 3200 NO3
Aircraft Year :
Owner Name : MOD WORKS INC
Owner Address : 8250 SKYLANE WAY
PUNTA GORDA, FL, 33982-2438
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 12-Nov-2003
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Normal
06-02-2004, 11:33 PM
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Now isn,t that interesting. Wonder if the reason was for a newly discoverd flaw or just the desire to get out from under the liability vail since it was a failure in the market place and so few were produced.
Cessna had a similar problem back in the late sixties with their newly developed front engined helicopter the Cessna CH-1 Skyhook. Poor sales and about thirty units they decided to get out of the rotor business and bought them all back to be cut up, this to avoid future liability.
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Cessna had a similar problem back in the late sixties with their newly developed front engined helicopter the Cessna CH-1 Skyhook. Poor sales and about thirty units they decided to get out of the rotor business and bought them all back to be cut up, this to avoid future liability.
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06-03-2004, 07:19 AM
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What was the problem? Why are they all getting the engine change?
06-03-2004, 08:25 PM
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The problem with the porsche engines is that only an A&P certified to work on the porsche engines could work on them. They had to be specially trained by porsche. A regular A&P like me could only do airframe work, nothing with the engine. As a matter of fact, I don't even think I could do an oil change on one.
The story with the beech starship is that there were a lot of specialty parts put on board that were specific only to that aircraft. With the limited number of those aircraft that were produced, it just wasn't finacially feasible to the various avionics and parts companies to keep a production run of parts for that aircraft. Basically beech recalled the aircraft due to a lack of support for it. Too bad though, it was a nice plane.
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The story with the beech starship is that there were a lot of specialty parts put on board that were specific only to that aircraft. With the limited number of those aircraft that were produced, it just wasn't finacially feasible to the various avionics and parts companies to keep a production run of parts for that aircraft. Basically beech recalled the aircraft due to a lack of support for it. Too bad though, it was a nice plane.
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06-04-2004, 02:40 PM
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i am sorry, i shouldn't say they "recalled" the starhips. They offered a generous buyback offer to all the current owners. as of last summer i know there were 10 out there still flying, i havent heard anythig on them lately in my AMT magazine though.
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RE: Soon to be banished from the face of the earth!
There is a StarShip that flys regularly from Long Beach to Palomar "KCRQ".
It conviently flys over head where we fly RC on weekends.
At that point in the pre approach he is at least 4,000' but is absolutely a StarShip and not a Piaggio as there is one there also and it's just plain ugly compared to it.
It conviently flys over head where we fly RC on weekends.
At that point in the pre approach he is at least 4,000' but is absolutely a StarShip and not a Piaggio as there is one there also and it's just plain ugly compared to it.
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RE: Soon to be banished from the face of the earth!
The Starships didn't live up to their marketing, a bit underpowered and heavy. They were quite large, compared to comparable turboprops on the ramp. Very fine fliers, just needed bigger engines.
K-Mart had two in Pontiac, MI (PTK) in the late 80's, and we would routinely outclimb and outpace them in the Conquest II (Cessna 441). They had a great ramp presence, tho.
K-Mart had two in Pontiac, MI (PTK) in the late 80's, and we would routinely outclimb and outpace them in the Conquest II (Cessna 441). They had a great ramp presence, tho.
