going gas for the first time.......I think
12-15-2012, 10:49 AM
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Hello all. I just bought a plane on here, (great planes big stick 60) and was thinking of going gas with this one. I'm looking for advice on this as this will be my first gasser. I've found what I think ill need on eBay. Its a nice 15cc. What are the pros/cons of going gas, other than its cheaper for fuel? Thanks for the input. I want to give it a go, but I'm a little afraid because of the extra cost.
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RE: going gas for the first time.......I think
I don't see any real extra cost. The engine are real close to the same. Fuel much cheaper. Radio the same. Be careful on what engine you buy. Get a off brand and you may have a time getting it to run. Dennis
12-15-2012, 12:49 PM
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ORIGINAL: tlojak38
Hello all. I just bought a plane on here, (great planes big stick 60) and was thinking of going gas with this one. I'm looking for advice on this as this will be my first gasser. I've found what I think ill need on eBay. Its a nice 15cc. What are the pros/cons of going gas, other than its cheaper for fuel? Thanks for the input. I want to give it a go, but I'm a little afraid because of the extra cost.
Hello all. I just bought a plane on here, (great planes big stick 60) and was thinking of going gas with this one. I'm looking for advice on this as this will be my first gasser. I've found what I think ill need on eBay. Its a nice 15cc. What are the pros/cons of going gas, other than its cheaper for fuel? Thanks for the input. I want to give it a go, but I'm a little afraid because of the extra cost.
My only criticism of the project would be the selection of a 15cc engine. Most smaller gassers on the market are from lesser known and Chinese mfgrs. If this is your first gasser experience, I would seriously recommend an engine from a major engine company that has a known marketing group and a solid warranty behind it. I'd probably recommend something like a DLE20 or one of the new OS 22 gassers .... and there are others. In short, you want your first gasser experience to be a good one and not a challenge. Whatever your engine choice, research it before you buy so you know something about its background and the success record others are experiencing.
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RE: going gas for the first time.......I think
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Hello all. I just bought a plane on here, (great planes big stick 60) and was thinking of going gas with this one. I'm looking for advice on this as this will be my first gasser. I've found what I think ill need on eBay. Its a nice 15cc. What are the pros/cons of going gas, other than its cheaper for fuel? Thanks for the input. I want to give it a go, but I'm a little afraid because of the extra cost.
Hello all. I just bought a plane on here, (great planes big stick 60) and was thinking of going gas with this one. I'm looking for advice on this as this will be my first gasser. I've found what I think ill need on eBay. Its a nice 15cc. What are the pros/cons of going gas, other than its cheaper for fuel? Thanks for the input. I want to give it a go, but I'm a little afraid because of the extra cost.
You will have to forget about your glow experience alltogether. Gas engines obey their own set of rules.
Once you do that, and did your part of the learning, you will enjoy the pro's of gas engine flight. Like most gas fliers, you will never look back. Not speaking of cost here. fuel is a small part of the money we spend. Gas engines are just a lot more engine for you to enjoy.
12-15-2012, 04:01 PM
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RE: going gas for the first time.......I think
The engine I'm looking at is a rcgf 15. Is that engine any good? Just looking right now. Any suggestions are appreciated.
12-15-2012, 05:16 PM
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I have converted most of my 90 size and larger over to gasoline. I am using Zenoah, Quadra/ US Engines, CRRC, Ryobi and other chainsaw conversions. Probably next year I will be working on converting some of my 60 size and under over to some of the newer gasoline engines. Evolution is releasing a 10cc gasser for around $200.00.
I try and change out the rings with a new Frank Bowman ring as his rings seem to add more performance to the engines whether the engines are old or new. I am not afraid to try any Chicom engine but I would stay away from the cheaper copies sold by some Chicom retailers.
With the electronic ignitions you have to find a place for the box and the extra battery but you can always put in a regulator for the ignition and install a larger flight battery like a LiFe. Once you get a gasser tuned you hardly ever have to touch it again. If the engine id new or you put a new ring in, use dino oil to break it in and then switch over to synthetic if you want to. You won't get the screaming revs from a gasser like you may get from a 2-stroke but for most the performance is good and the cost savings on fuel will help you get over anything else you miss from the 2&4 stroke glow engines !
The RCGF seems to be a decent engine and I would at the least put in a Bowman ring .
Here is a thread on it:
www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_9481727/anchors_9481727/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#9481727
I try and change out the rings with a new Frank Bowman ring as his rings seem to add more performance to the engines whether the engines are old or new. I am not afraid to try any Chicom engine but I would stay away from the cheaper copies sold by some Chicom retailers.
With the electronic ignitions you have to find a place for the box and the extra battery but you can always put in a regulator for the ignition and install a larger flight battery like a LiFe. Once you get a gasser tuned you hardly ever have to touch it again. If the engine id new or you put a new ring in, use dino oil to break it in and then switch over to synthetic if you want to. You won't get the screaming revs from a gasser like you may get from a 2-stroke but for most the performance is good and the cost savings on fuel will help you get over anything else you miss from the 2&4 stroke glow engines !
The RCGF seems to be a decent engine and I would at the least put in a Bowman ring .
Here is a thread on it:
www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_9481727/anchors_9481727/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#9481727
12-15-2012, 05:17 PM
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We have been using the new version beam mounted RCGF 15cc from AMR Hobbies on a couple of 60 size Big Sticks for some time now and so far they have performed very well.
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12-18-2012, 02:13 PM
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ORIGINAL: pe reivers
First the cons:
+1 on their own set of rules. I flew glow for 30 years. Gas was a struggle initially for me since fuel systems have their own quirks and mixture adjustment is very different. Once thru that I will not go back. Gas is superior!
You will have to forget about your glow experience alltogether. Gas engines obey their own set of rules.
Once you do that, and did your part of the learning, you will enjoy the pro's of gas engine flight. Like most gas fliers, you will never look back. Not speaking of cost here. fuel is a small part of the money we spend. Gas engines are just a lot more engine for you to enjoy.
ORIGINAL: tlojak38
Hello all. I just bought a plane on here, (great planes big stick 60) and was thinking of going gas with this one. I'm looking for advice on this as this will be my first gasser. I've found what I think ill need on eBay. Its a nice 15cc. What are the pros/cons of going gas, other than its cheaper for fuel? Thanks for the input. I want to give it a go, but I'm a little afraid because of the extra cost.
Hello all. I just bought a plane on here, (great planes big stick 60) and was thinking of going gas with this one. I'm looking for advice on this as this will be my first gasser. I've found what I think ill need on eBay. Its a nice 15cc. What are the pros/cons of going gas, other than its cheaper for fuel? Thanks for the input. I want to give it a go, but I'm a little afraid because of the extra cost.
+1 on their own set of rules. I flew glow for 30 years. Gas was a struggle initially for me since fuel systems have their own quirks and mixture adjustment is very different. Once thru that I will not go back. Gas is superior!
You will have to forget about your glow experience alltogether. Gas engines obey their own set of rules.
Once you do that, and did your part of the learning, you will enjoy the pro's of gas engine flight. Like most gas fliers, you will never look back. Not speaking of cost here. fuel is a small part of the money we spend. Gas engines are just a lot more engine for you to enjoy.
12-18-2012, 03:29 PM
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ORIGINAL: rexbirk
Dont know what happened with that quote. I was trying to qoute Pe on his observations. As usual he is right on!
Dont know what happened with that quote. I was trying to qoute Pe on his observations. As usual he is right on!
Absolutely
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12-21-2012, 01:10 PM
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I bought a RCGF 15. It seized on the first run. The roller rod bearings in the crankshaft came off the pin. I was given a new motor from the importer.
It seems to be quite powerful but the vibration is so great the wooden prop I used exploded nearly hitting me.
The carburetor went bad and the importer had to replace that too on the new motor.
The service is great but I havent had too much luck with the motor.
C.F. Lee is selling a gas version of his K&B 60 for less than $200 without the ignition or the Webra carburator
It seems to be quite powerful but the vibration is so great the wooden prop I used exploded nearly hitting me.
The carburetor went bad and the importer had to replace that too on the new motor.
The service is great but I havent had too much luck with the motor.
C.F. Lee is selling a gas version of his K&B 60 for less than $200 without the ignition or the Webra carburator
12-22-2012, 03:32 AM
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ORIGINAL: dirtybird
I bought a RCGF 15. It seized on the first run. The roller rod bearings in the crankshaft came off the pin. I was given a new motor from the importer.
It seems to be quite powerful but the vibration is so great the wooden prop I used exploded nearly hitting me.
The carburetor went bad and the importer had to replace that too on the new motor.
The service is great but I havent had too much luck with the motor.
C.F. Lee is selling a gas version of his K&B 60 for less than $200 without the ignition or the Webra carburator
I bought a RCGF 15. It seized on the first run. The roller rod bearings in the crankshaft came off the pin. I was given a new motor from the importer.
It seems to be quite powerful but the vibration is so great the wooden prop I used exploded nearly hitting me.
The carburetor went bad and the importer had to replace that too on the new motor.
The service is great but I havent had too much luck with the motor.
C.F. Lee is selling a gas version of his K&B 60 for less than $200 without the ignition or the Webra carburator
Karol
12-22-2012, 06:25 AM
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ORIGINAL: WhiteRook
this is just my opinion, any .60 to ..90 SIZE airplane should use a glow engine.
this is just my opinion, any .60 to ..90 SIZE airplane should use a glow engine.
Or are you saying that gas power is still too heavy for planes in that size range? Guess I can appreciate that thought as well...
12-22-2012, 10:05 AM
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I too was of that opinion until I shoe horned a G23 into my 68" span Goldberg Extra 300 and was pleasantly surprised. Since then I have come to realise that it really depends on the model in question.
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12-22-2012, 12:14 PM
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ORIGINAL: karolh
Sorry to hear of the problems with your engine, but good that the supplier has stood behind their product. Was the engine the new beam mount type or the older rear mount version. So far the ones in my club are all running good with zero problems.
Karol
ORIGINAL: dirtybird
I bought a RCGF 15. It seized on the first run. The roller rod bearings in the crankshaft came off the pin. I was given a new motor from the importer.
It seems to be quite powerful but the vibration is so great the wooden prop I used exploded nearly hitting me.
The carburetor went bad and the importer had to replace that too on the new motor.
The service is great but I havent had too much luck with the motor.
C.F. Lee is selling a gas version of his K&B 60 for less than $200 without the ignition or the Webra carburator
I bought a RCGF 15. It seized on the first run. The roller rod bearings in the crankshaft came off the pin. I was given a new motor from the importer.
It seems to be quite powerful but the vibration is so great the wooden prop I used exploded nearly hitting me.
The carburetor went bad and the importer had to replace that too on the new motor.
The service is great but I havent had too much luck with the motor.
C.F. Lee is selling a gas version of his K&B 60 for less than $200 without the ignition or the Webra carburator
Karol
12-22-2012, 06:29 PM
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My first gas plane is Yak 54 120 from Nitroplanes, and the first gas motor I always wanted to buy was DLE20 and I returned the GP Revolver 40 and got me DLE20. No doubt great engine!
All the best to you tlojak
Mody
All the best to you tlojak
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