New Evolution 10cc gas engine
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ORIGINAL: earlwb
I have a Escapade .60 with a SV-17cc engine (1.0 cubic inch) on it and the plane weighs in at about 9 and 1/4 pounds of weight. I don't think it would have weighed all that much less with a big glow .60 engine or glow four stroke engine either.
My Escapade .40 with a NGH 9cc gas engine weighs in at about 6 pounds too. It flies really well with the engine on it. But it was a tight fit, as I had to put the CDI module up front under the engine. My low wing sprt pattern plane weighs in a little heavier at about 6.5 pounds and it flies well with the little 9cc gas engine too.
So I think having a model go 7 pounds or more in weight might be a bit too much for the EVO 10cc engine. I don't think I have ever built up a plane ever that came in under the weight the plane manufactuer claimed it would weigh.
I have a Escapade .60 with a SV-17cc engine (1.0 cubic inch) on it and the plane weighs in at about 9 and 1/4 pounds of weight. I don't think it would have weighed all that much less with a big glow .60 engine or glow four stroke engine either.
My Escapade .40 with a NGH 9cc gas engine weighs in at about 6 pounds too. It flies really well with the engine on it. But it was a tight fit, as I had to put the CDI module up front under the engine. My low wing sprt pattern plane weighs in a little heavier at about 6.5 pounds and it flies well with the little 9cc gas engine too.
So I think having a model go 7 pounds or more in weight might be a bit too much for the EVO 10cc engine. I don't think I have ever built up a plane ever that came in under the weight the plane manufactuer claimed it would weigh.
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quote]ORIGINAL: earlwb
You definitely have my interest in your Meridian 10cc plane and how it does with the Evo 10cc engine. They do say 7.5 to 8 pounds, so if it stays under that max weight, I am hoping that it should do fine too. [/quote]
I just weighed the Meridian and the dry weight is 7 pounds 5 ounces Fueled up it will be close to 8 pounds .
I used a LiPo for the ignition instead of the LiFe due to space constraints and the LiPo is a bit heavier. but to get it to balance I had to move the NiMh from it's shelf to under the tank anyway. After flying and checking balance I may move it back but I think the weight is what it is.
You definitely have my interest in your Meridian 10cc plane and how it does with the Evo 10cc engine. They do say 7.5 to 8 pounds, so if it stays under that max weight, I am hoping that it should do fine too. [/quote]
I just weighed the Meridian and the dry weight is 7 pounds 5 ounces Fueled up it will be close to 8 pounds .
I used a LiPo for the ignition instead of the LiFe due to space constraints and the LiPo is a bit heavier. but to get it to balance I had to move the NiMh from it's shelf to under the tank anyway. After flying and checking balance I may move it back but I think the weight is what it is.
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
on my hanger 9 b-25 i have the 2 per necells engine beams can thos e beams be use that came with the arf i just never phycily seen the moter yet an the evo site hasnt given any beam dementions or should i go off the 60nx??
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
Here is the link to the 10GX manual:
http://www.horizonhobby.com/pdf/EVOE10GX_Manual.pdf
The motor dimensions are on page 10.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/pdf/EVOE10GX_Manual.pdf
The motor dimensions are on page 10.
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
Here are a few pics of a Lanier Stinger II that I'm converting:
With the Bisson Pitts muffler mocked up:
Might have an issue with the nipple/line clearance:
Using a 6oz. tank, still have to thrash the ignition and battery in.:
The supplied muffler bolts are a tad too long, but should'nt pose a problem. When I have all the required holes drilled for the pickup/plug wire/switches, I'll tighten it all down and locktite everything that needs it.
This one should be a hoot! The plane was powered by a rimfire 46 on 5S before the conversion.
Phil
With the Bisson Pitts muffler mocked up:
Might have an issue with the nipple/line clearance:
Using a 6oz. tank, still have to thrash the ignition and battery in.:
The supplied muffler bolts are a tad too long, but should'nt pose a problem. When I have all the required holes drilled for the pickup/plug wire/switches, I'll tighten it all down and locktite everything that needs it.
This one should be a hoot! The plane was powered by a rimfire 46 on 5S before the conversion.
Phil
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ORIGINAL: earlwb
I have a Escapade .60 with a SV-17cc engine (1.0 cubic inch) on it and the plane weighs in at about 9 and 1/4 pounds of weight. I don't think it would have weighed all that much less with a big glow .60 engine or glow four stroke engine either.
My Escapade .40 with a NGH 9cc gas engine weighs in at about 6 pounds too. It flies really well with the engine on it. But it was a tight fit, as I had to put the CDI module up front under the engine. My low wing sprt pattern plane weighs in a little heavier at about 6.5 pounds and it flies well with the little 9cc gas engine too.
So I think having a model go 7 pounds or more in weight might be a bit too much for the EVO 10cc engine. I don't think I have ever built up a plane ever that came in under the weight the plane manufactuer claimed it would weigh.
I have a Escapade .60 with a SV-17cc engine (1.0 cubic inch) on it and the plane weighs in at about 9 and 1/4 pounds of weight. I don't think it would have weighed all that much less with a big glow .60 engine or glow four stroke engine either.
My Escapade .40 with a NGH 9cc gas engine weighs in at about 6 pounds too. It flies really well with the engine on it. But it was a tight fit, as I had to put the CDI module up front under the engine. My low wing sprt pattern plane weighs in a little heavier at about 6.5 pounds and it flies well with the little 9cc gas engine too.
So I think having a model go 7 pounds or more in weight might be a bit too much for the EVO 10cc engine. I don't think I have ever built up a plane ever that came in under the weight the plane manufactuer claimed it would weigh.
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
Phil,
You do nice work, I have the same plane but I still have a Eflit 46 for power. Inseresting to know how is flies compared to the electric. Jim
You do nice work, I have the same plane but I still have a Eflit 46 for power. Inseresting to know how is flies compared to the electric. Jim
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
That's correct. The plane was ballistic! I seriously doubt that the 10GX can out perform the electric setup that was in the Stinger II.
I just wanted to try out the new gasser but didn't want to build another plane to do so. The motor bolted right on. No changing bind nuts or anything! Right now I'm undecided on whether to run an IBEF from TBM and 1 battery or deal with 2 batteries/switches, etc. I have a feeling I'm going to be tail heavy, and there isn't a whole lot of room to squeeze everything forward after the ignition box in installed. We'll see how it plays out.
Phil
I just wanted to try out the new gasser but didn't want to build another plane to do so. The motor bolted right on. No changing bind nuts or anything! Right now I'm undecided on whether to run an IBEF from TBM and 1 battery or deal with 2 batteries/switches, etc. I have a feeling I'm going to be tail heavy, and there isn't a whole lot of room to squeeze everything forward after the ignition box in installed. We'll see how it plays out.
Phil
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Electric will beat IC for power - every time - but flight time will be shorter for same weight power setups .
My old Dalotel has a Hacker and 36 volts and swings a 20x14 prop - ballistic
the origin setups were not nearly as strong - BUT they flew longer an cost les to setup
My old Dalotel has a Hacker and 36 volts and swings a 20x14 prop - ballistic
the origin setups were not nearly as strong - BUT they flew longer an cost les to setup
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
Picked up two today at GPA hobbies. Looks very nice, planing on putting them in older kits that would be not bolero be converted to electric power. Glow is dead as far as I'm concerned!
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I was looking at the manual. It is strange that it does not recommend a metal motor mount and a nylon throttle control rod set-up. The engine even includes a felt clunk and inline fuel filter to help circumvent the other common beginner problems.
A metal motor mount helps with cooling the hotter running gas engine - not essential, but definitely helps if the engine is cowled in the first place and is going to be hauling a typical 60 size set-up). An all metal throttle control rod can leak the high voltage electronic ignition back into the server, and hence into the RX set-up, causing server jitter or worse. A lesson all gas engine users learn sooner or later!.
A metal motor mount helps with cooling the hotter running gas engine - not essential, but definitely helps if the engine is cowled in the first place and is going to be hauling a typical 60 size set-up). An all metal throttle control rod can leak the high voltage electronic ignition back into the server, and hence into the RX set-up, causing server jitter or worse. A lesson all gas engine users learn sooner or later!.
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
ORIGINAL: AA5BY
Earl... it seems I'm responding to your post twice. I'm nearing completion of the Seagull Funfly 3D, enough so to weigh the pieces of what is left to install. The published weight ranges from 5.1 - 5.7 lbs. My dry weight with the Evolution 10cc installed is 5lbs 12oz or right on the upper end of the published weight as long as no ballast weight is needed. And.... I did a little beefing of the firewall and gear support.
ORIGINAL: earlwb
I have a Escapade .60 with a SV-17cc engine (1.0 cubic inch) on it and the plane weighs in at about 9 and 1/4 pounds of weight. I don't think it would have weighed all that much less with a big glow .60 engine or glow four stroke engine either.
My Escapade .40 with a NGH 9cc gas engine weighs in at about 6 pounds too. It flies really well with the engine on it. But it was a tight fit, as I had to put the CDI module up front under the engine. My low wing sprt pattern plane weighs in a little heavier at about 6.5 pounds and it flies well with the little 9cc gas engine too.
So I think having a model go 7 pounds or more in weight might be a bit too much for the EVO 10cc engine. I don't thinkI have ever built up a plane ever that came in under the weight the plane manufactuer claimed it would weigh.
I have a Escapade .60 with a SV-17cc engine (1.0 cubic inch) on it and the plane weighs in at about 9 and 1/4 pounds of weight. I don't think it would have weighed all that much less with a big glow .60 engine or glow four stroke engine either.
My Escapade .40 with a NGH 9cc gas engine weighs in at about 6 pounds too. It flies really well with the engine on it. But it was a tight fit, as I had to put the CDI module up front under the engine. My low wing sprt pattern plane weighs in a little heavier at about 6.5 pounds and it flies well with the little 9cc gas engine too.
So I think having a model go 7 pounds or more in weight might be a bit too much for the EVO 10cc engine. I don't thinkI have ever built up a plane ever that came in under the weight the plane manufactuer claimed it would weigh.
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rfan_1, your Stinger plane is looking really good. That is some nice cowl cutting to fit the engine too. I think that was a good choice as well. I have been thinking about using that plane for the engine too.
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
I just want to say thanks to all you guys who took a chance on something new. I have been reading with interest all of your comments and look forward to following this thread as more info is added. Had a firsthand chance to see AA5BY's engine and airframe. Can't wait to see him get it completed and get some run time on it. Good luck to all you dudes. Hope this engine works out for y'all.
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[quote]ORIGINAL: MercerAUST
I was looking at the manual. It is strange that it does not recommend a metal motor mount and a nylon throttle control rod set-up. The engine even includes a felt clunk and inline fuel filter to help circumvent the other common beginner problems.
The use of a felt clunk and or a in line filter can proove to be of real disadvantage as the fuel flow gradually becomes restricted -
Seen it over n over thru the years
best bet isa clean system with fuel filtered as it it pumped to the tank.
as for the electronic leak problem - very minor possibility -except for damaged high tension lead and or loose spark plug cap.
push rod generating a problem- have not seen any of this on good systems and or on 2.4 systems
being neat is a good idea however.
I was looking at the manual. It is strange that it does not recommend a metal motor mount and a nylon throttle control rod set-up. The engine even includes a felt clunk and inline fuel filter to help circumvent the other common beginner problems.
The use of a felt clunk and or a in line filter can proove to be of real disadvantage as the fuel flow gradually becomes restricted -
Seen it over n over thru the years
best bet isa clean system with fuel filtered as it it pumped to the tank.
as for the electronic leak problem - very minor possibility -except for damaged high tension lead and or loose spark plug cap.
push rod generating a problem- have not seen any of this on good systems and or on 2.4 systems
being neat is a good idea however.
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
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I just want to say thanks to all you guys who took a chance on something new. I have been reading with interest all of your comments and look forward to following this thread as more info is added. Had a firsthand chance to see AA5BY's engine and airframe. Can't wait to see him get it completed and get some run time on it. Good luck to all you dudes. Hope this engine works out for y'all.
I just want to say thanks to all you guys who took a chance on something new. I have been reading with interest all of your comments and look forward to following this thread as more info is added. Had a firsthand chance to see AA5BY's engine and airframe. Can't wait to see him get it completed and get some run time on it. Good luck to all you dudes. Hope this engine works out for y'all.
Pete
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ORIGINAL: MercerAUST
I was looking at the manual. It is strange that it does not recommend a metal motor mount and a nylon throttle control rod set-up. The engine even includes a felt clunk and inline fuel filter to help circumvent the othercommon beginner problems.
A metal motor mount helps with cooling the hotter running gas engine - not essential, but definitely helps if the engine is cowled in the first place and is going to be hauling a typical 60 size set-up). An all metal throttle control rod can leak the high voltage electronic ignition back into the server, and hence into the RX set-up, causing server jitter or worse. A lesson all gas engine users learn sooner or later!.
I was looking at the manual. It is strange that it does not recommend a metal motor mount and a nylon throttle control rod set-up. The engine even includes a felt clunk and inline fuel filter to help circumvent the othercommon beginner problems.
A metal motor mount helps with cooling the hotter running gas engine - not essential, but definitely helps if the engine is cowled in the first place and is going to be hauling a typical 60 size set-up). An all metal throttle control rod can leak the high voltage electronic ignition back into the server, and hence into the RX set-up, causing server jitter or worse. A lesson all gas engine users learn sooner or later!.
A metal engine mount would be better.
A cable or nyrod would be an improvement over the music wire for the throttle.
Include the muffler manifold extension for the engine with the arf ,
Include a better grade tiller arm for the nose wheel.
Improve the mounting system for the nose wheel pant.