Recycled Flyer

Just trying to compile a list of currently in production diesel engine manufacturers here and it may be best to add to this starter list by editing rather than quote seperate entries along the way.
Thanks.

PAW
MP Jet
Norvel
MVVS
Rothwell
Taipan
Owen
Fora
Burford
Enya
Nelson
Jak
Valentine
Profi

(and probably a host of specialist control line team race engines!)
Thanks.

AMB

Good list nice to see the copycats and imitations not on it regards martin

Well I have 5 on the above list and the rest Davis conversions all top notch diesels

earlwb

Bob Langelius I think also does the diesel engines too. At least he has contacts to get them made for him if nothing else.

Cyclon engines too http://www.rusengines.ru/?lang=en
http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/...3DEngineCyclon

I guess one ought to include the CS engines as well.They do make some diesel engines. http://www.csmodelengine.com/

telmore

Rothwell are copyists too - all their excellent Engines are Tiger based!

You should add Parra though!

http://www.clubtamaran.com/parramotorING.htm

Annette

raglafart

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Not absolutely true Nettie, Steve started out building his own design R-100 1 cc twin BB diesel engine for F/F scramble here in Australia many years ago.
These gems are still available and I think they are up to the Series 3 now, so while the R-150 and R-250 are superb replicas, the R-100 is very much Steve's own design.

qazimoto

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The R-320 isn't exactly an Oliver Tiger copy either!

Ray

fiery

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So true Ray ... do you have one? I am trying to resist pleading to be added to the list ...


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Recycled ... Please amend to the list (after "Taipan")

Adelaide Aeromotive (David Burke, aka AA and DB engines)

That should be more correct.


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Where are the Ridley built Olivers ???[&o] Please add to list!

qazimoto

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Not yet but I have three R250's and two R150's which is probably as much as anyone.

Ray

Diesel Fan

Hi Ray,
Is the R250 as good as legend makes it out to be?

And Taipans, hmm. Same moulds, same design in the same factory that result in an exact replica - sounds like a Taipan to me with simply a change in management.

bogbeagle

You know, if one of those could crack the "timing problem", the diesel could be a really practical engine for model aircraft.

I guess that means the use of some sort of fuel injection system.

steve111

I think you'll find that as far as the R320 is concerned, there actually isn't a list at the moment. I made a snap decision to buy one a couple of days ago, and will collect it next week.

Steve

fiery

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Bogbeagle, I sort out my diesel timing problem with a wonderful device ... called a compression vernier.

Only joking .. your point is taken.

AMB

OK group a logic question question (Takes me back to my college days) this is based on how many diesel makers out there

A. Engine such as OS, TT. ST Fox and few more (glow)

B Diesel head such as a "Davis conversion head" installed

C Completed engine

Now A plus B equals C

By definition a diesel is compression ignition, so regardless of the method used to get there you have a diesel end result C



would these not be considered a diesel engine even though the components engine plus head are from two sources and the end product is a diesel
martin

Hobbsy

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I say Yes. We used to have a Farmall Super M on our farm similar to my avitar. It had three valves in the head. It started on gasoline to warm up. To start it you pushed a big lever forward which opened the third small valve which reduced the compression and exposed a spark plug, simultaneously a flap valve in the intake manifold flopped over and exposed a small carburetor to the intake manifold. Next you choked it while cranking the engine until it started on gasoline. When fully warmed up it would run at 1,600 rpm on the carb but had almost no power. Unless it was zero degrees outside it was not necessary to warm it all the way up. While this warmup was going on the Diesel throttle was in the off position but when ready to switch to Diesel the Diesel throttle was opened but because the engine was running faster than normal idle the Diesel injector pump didn't pump any fuel into the engine. WHen the engine was ready to be switched you pulled the big lever back closing the third valve and blocking the carb, and the engine would simply idle when the engine slowed to idle speed. Was this a Diesel engine, yes again. For the curious tha engine had a 5.25 inch stroke, 264 cubic inches and the tractor was rated at 48 hp. The Diesel was a five main bearing engine, the gas was 248 cu in and three main bearings.

On occasion Mr. Davis has been known to sell an engine already set up as a Diesel and sometimes with the Diesel head in the box.

qazimoto

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Chris,

you should also include the Rustler range of diesel engines. Ian Russell lives in the UK and produces quite a large range of replica diesels, originals and glow and spark ignition. He subcontracts out the manufacture of the parts and assembles them himself. His Oliver diesel range is outstanding. They're perhaps not quite as exceptional as either the Rothwell or the Ridley versions but make excellent sports engines and they are very competitively priced. Much better than any CS replica and they run out of the box.

I have a "works tuned" Rustler Oliver Tiger mk3/6 with the "long" crankcase and I'd say it was as good as an original. I know of three others owned by fellow club members and I think that they'll agree with that sentiment.

Interestedly he also sells an r/c throttle for the OT mk3 and this should fit the original and the Rothwell because the major parts in all three are interchangeable.

This is the only price list I can find and it's from 2010 so there's probably an updated version. His email address is included.

Ray


Rustler List

Rustler PP Classique 0.6cc. Coming soon. Replaces the MPJet Classic.
The PP is front intake (So no overhang at rear) but has sideport
timing, so will run in both directions like the MPJet.
PP = Push 'n Pull.
Also, supplied with 5" of extra wide bore "fuel tubing" to fit integral
exhaust stack and duct exhaust away from model.............................£50.00
Amco 0.87cc Mk.1 Coming soon.............................................. ..............£80.00
Amco 0.87cc Mk.2 Ser.1............................................. .............................£70.00
Amco 0.87cc Mk.2 Ser.2............................................. .............................£75.00
Tiger Cub Mk.III Std. .................................................. ..........................£110.00
Tiger Cub Mk.III Tuned .................................................. ............................£145.00
Tiger Cub Mk.III ABC............................................... ..................................£145.00
Tiger Cub Schneurle......................................... ............................................£145. 00
Jaguar 2.5cc sideport forerunner of the famous Tiger diesels..........£100.00
Cheetah 2.5cc o.d. vintage style front intake 2.5cc................................£75.00
Lynx 2.5cc rear disc version of Cheetah........................................... ......£80.00
Tiger Mk.1.............................................. .................................................. £155.00
Tiger Mk.2.............................................. .................................................. £110.00
Tiger Mk.3.............................................. .................................................. £110.00
Tiger Mk.3 Tuned............................................. .......................................£145.00
Tiger Mk.3 ABC............................................... .......................................£145.00
Frog 500 Glow.............................................. ...........................................£85.00
Frog 500 ign. .................................................. ........................................£100.00
Sparey 5cc (slightly over 5cc!) 1946 Aeromodeller design)..............£105.00
Rustler-Merco 40 ABC Metamorph Stunt............................................. £100.00
R&B 51 ABC Metamorph Stunt............................................. ................£115.00
Rustler-Merco 61 FISE ABC Stunt............................................. .............£85.00
Rustler-Merco 61 Metamorph AAC Stunt............................................. £125.00
R&B 75 AAC Stunt............................................. ....................................£150.00
Merco 20 Prototype PB C/L-F/F................................................. ..........£162.00

O.S. LA 25 Modified for C/L Stunt............................................. .............£60.00
O.S. LA 40 " " " " .................................................. ............£65.00
O.S. LA 46 " " " " .................................................. ............£70.00
Spike NVA & Venturi for FP/LA 35/40/46..............................................£ 17.50

Jaguar Twinshaft. Car Engine. .................................................. ..........£150.00
Tiger Mk. 2 Twinshaft Car Engine. .................................................. ....£200.00
eTi. Twinshaft car engine. Italian copy of Tiger 2 Twinshaft...............£200.00

ABC Piston/Cylider/Rod Assembly for Mk.3 Tiger...............................£45.00
Throttle for Cheetah/Lynx/Tiger 3 .................................................. .........£17.50
Tank/Throttle assembly for Jaguar .................................................. ......£21.50
Tank/Throttle " " Sparey .................................................. .......£23.50
Old type silencer for Merco or O.S. FP/LA 35/40/46 ..........................£12.50
Twin stub/dustbin type silencer for Tiger 2 and 3 .................................£12.50.

Recycled Flyer

Hey Martin,
I can see where you are coming from mate but .............. I would be hard pushed to call a conversion an original.

That is to say the logic of it is that some engines are designed, sold and run as glows, and they can support all kinds of shenanigans if called upon, but (as you say with "A plus B equals C") just try that logic with a warranty claim - the manufacturer would quickly deny that engine as their product.

And you may find that diesel head manufacturers make just that, diesel heads - what would happen if part "A" did not exist? Would part "C" then be a diesel engine?

And Hobbsy, is the Farmall (magnificent beast that it is) purpose built as a multi fuel engine? It probably could run on LPG and charcoal if pushed by the sounds of it but the point is that it does not need converting or modifying outside of the manufactures design so it is a diesel, and it is a gas engine.

Ray, Icompletely forgot about Rustler's list!
My bad mate.

avalonnovi

Ian Russell now has the Rustler .6 cc 'Classique' in stock.

Has anyone got a photo of it they can post here?

ffkiwi

I can't provide a photo-but I've seen a photo of it-think of a front induction MP Jet 0.6cc sideport-that's what it looks like.

ChrisM
'ffkiwi'

avalonnovi

Thanks Chris, hopefully it will be an easy handling and reasonable quality sport engine.
I am thinking about buying one. (But the MP Jet .6cc is a hard act to follow!)

W.

AMB

OK all I may be repeating myself but the MP jet 061 is available as glow or diesel , one of best is the Irvine 40 diesel identical to the Q40 except for head and a smaller venturi carb
on the diesel the MVVS 15 has a whole different liner and piston I believe not just the head, the OS conversions have been around for decades ( davis heads)
almost forgot the MVVS 60 or 61 same engine both heads identical engine glow or diesel I have them all except the MP jet 061 and MVVS 15 as glow
PAWs and the Taipan 15 no comment required a lot of you guys have them martin

Is there a glow version of the Fora??


Chris here is a pix of the MP Jet 061D the glow version muffler has an exhaust nipple the diesel does not

ffkiwi

Winston AFAIK Ian initiated the project 4 or 5 years ago to fill a market niche that occurred when the MP Jet diesel range stopped being produced (about a decade ago) and stocks of the MP Jet Classic 0.6 dried up. Obviously over the past couple of years production has resumed, so I don't know how much market penetration will be achieved. About the only interesting feature is the claim that it will run readily both clockwise and anticlockwise due to symmetrical timing-which is quite unusual in a front rotary design.

ChrisM
'ffkiwi'

ffkiwi

...but they cannot be converted from one to the other-not only are the liners different-so is the crankcase. I discovered this the hard way about 10 years back when I wanted to convert a PB glow to diesel to meet one of our NZ class rule requirements. Subsequently I did obtain a genuine factory PB 061 diesel (only produced in small numbers)

ChrisM
'ffkiwi'

fiery

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Does anyone know if a Russian "Rustler" Olly clone piston/liner/contra set will "drop in" fit in a CS Olly clone?

PWF63

I could probbly say No to that one Derick. What we know is that the CS Olivers were Not replicas or clones, they were copies. no 2 batches of them were the same. Not even the engine bearer holes.
What I do know is that an R250 P/L/Rod will fit an original Mk3 and a Rustler clone but not a CS Oliver.
But then I've been wrong before..... maybe Ray would like to come in on this one.

Fredo

fiery

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Much obliged Fredo.

Guess who has a (almost clapped out) CS he would like to upgrade.

I do have a spare CS P/L set, and to be honest I don't think it's worth installing.