Phoenix Edge 540 1.20
01-11-2013, 11:56 AM
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RE: Phoenix Edge 540 1.20
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Servo question time.
I've been reading through this forum and some say if using a gas engine (DLE 20cc) i MUST use digital servo's. Why is this?
Thanks to everyone for their responses, it has helped get me up to speed on GAS RC planes.
Servo question time.
I've been reading through this forum and some say if using a gas engine (DLE 20cc) i MUST use digital servo's. Why is this?
Thanks to everyone for their responses, it has helped get me up to speed on GAS RC planes.
That is not true, digital servo's will give better centering and speed,if you're into 3D flying than you would want a digital servo,if you are into general sport flying/ light 3d flying a good anolog servo is fine like Hitec 625 or 645 servo's.
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Due vibration of a gas engine it is recommended that you buy a servo either anolog or digital with metal gears, plastic drive gears orkarbonite gears will not last as long as metals gear,again metal gears are notabsolutely necessary ,but highly recommended and on my gas airplane I use only metal gears. Cheers: proteus_x3
01-11-2013, 02:05 PM
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RE: Phoenix Edge 540 1.20
Thanks man. HS-645mg were actually what i was ordering.
For those that are using the DLE 20cc, are any of you cutting holes in the bottom of the rear fuse to allow for the hot air to leave the plane? I've read that this will help keep the engines cool.
For those that are using the DLE 20cc, are any of you cutting holes in the bottom of the rear fuse to allow for the hot air to leave the plane? I've read that this will help keep the engines cool.
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RE: Phoenix Edge 540 1.20
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Thanks man. HS-645mg were actually what i was ordering.
Thanks man. HS-645mg were actually what i was ordering.
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- [*]Gear Style: Futaba Arms[*]Modulation: Coreless Digital[*]Gear Type: Titanium[*]Weight: 2oz (59g)[*]Size: 40x20x39mm[*]Torque: 6v -300oz-in (21.8 kg-cm), 4.8v - 250 oz/in (18.5 kg/cm)[*]Speed: 6v - .13 sec, 4.8v - .15 sec[/list]..Joe L
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Man that youtube video for them is pretty cool. I found the hs-645's for 26 a pop so still prob going to get them as currently i can't store/transport a large plane. But WOW those things looked sweet in that test.
01-14-2013, 10:57 AM
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RE: Phoenix Edge 540 1.20
For those who have used the DLE 20cc, have you had any problems with the firewall cracking? Seems like cutting that much out of the firewall would weaken the structure.
01-14-2013, 12:38 PM
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For those who have used the DLE 20cc, have you had any problems with the firewall cracking? Seems like cutting that much out of the firewall would weaken the structure.
For those who have used the DLE 20cc, have you had any problems with the firewall cracking? Seems like cutting that much out of the firewall would weaken the structure.
01-14-2013, 01:53 PM
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RE: Phoenix Edge 540 1.20
Cutting the firewall must not be that big of a deal if Aero-works is advertising it in their manual for adding the DLE 20cc
http://www.aero-works.net/upload/manual/6090extra300_20cc_Installaltion.pdf
01-14-2013, 02:32 PM
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RE: Phoenix Edge 540 1.20
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Cutting the firewall must not be that big of a deal if Aero-works is advertising it in their manual for adding the DLE 20cc
Cutting the firewall must not be that big of a deal if Aero-works is advertising it in their manual for adding the DLE 20cc
http://www.aero-works.net/upload/manual/6090extra300_20cc_Installaltion.pdf
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RE: Phoenix Edge 540 1.20
Hey Proteus,
Yeah man i read your explanation on page 4. Question, why didn't you use any offset for your engine?Looks like you mounted it straight center but inMuddin_Mavric's photos his engine is offset to the right (if looking at the plane from the front). [/b]
Yeah man i read your explanation on page 4. Question, why didn't you use any offset for your engine?Looks like you mounted it straight center but inMuddin_Mavric's photos his engine is offset to the right (if looking at the plane from the front). [/b]
01-14-2013, 06:01 PM
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RE: Phoenix Edge 540 1.20
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Hey Proteus,
Yeah man i read your explanation on page 4. Question, why didn't you use any offset for your engine?Looks like you mounted it straight center but inMuddin_Mavric's photos his engine is offset to the right (if looking at the plane from the front). [/b]
Hey Proteus,
Yeah man i read your explanation on page 4. Question, why didn't you use any offset for your engine?Looks like you mounted it straight center but inMuddin_Mavric's photos his engine is offset to the right (if looking at the plane from the front). [/b]
01-14-2013, 08:47 PM
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RE: Phoenix Edge 540 1.20
ORIGINAL: proteus_X3
It's there, photo's are an opticalillusion,however it's smaller than called for on page 9 of the manual.The manual calls for 1 degree down thrust and 3 degree right thrust ,firewall to prop plate is 120mm or 4.75 your off set should be .2489" . Now on the Evo 26GT the engine has a much bigger "footprint" I wasl pushing the Greatplanes motor mount too its limits,the Evo 26GT is based on a MVVS 1.60size glow if you look at my photo's of the motor mount you will see the the mount has beenmodified at the base .250" of the engine sits inside the motor mount even after this my engine stuck out n addition .625"[5.125] further than the recommended distance. Also IMHO 3 degree is too much right thrust , so I sets my right thrust too 1 degree and 1 degree down my off set is only .089 if you want to read up on it check this website out airfieldmodels.com/information_source/math_and_science_of_model_aircraft/formulas/engine_offset.htm or if your lazy and don't feel like doing the math here's a nice toolwww.lcrcc.net/offset_calc.htmCheers: Rich
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Hey Proteus,
Yeah man i read your explanation on page 4. Question, why didn't you use any offset for your engine?Looks like you mounted it straight center but inMuddin_Mavric's photos his engine is offset to the right (if looking at the plane from the front). [/b]
Hey Proteus,
Yeah man i read your explanation on page 4. Question, why didn't you use any offset for your engine?Looks like you mounted it straight center but inMuddin_Mavric's photos his engine is offset to the right (if looking at the plane from the front). [/b]
I just re-check my notes and the off-set and right thrust I gave is incorrect I add 1/2 of a degree so my firewall offset is .134" 1.5 degrees right thrust, if you look again on post # 97 after the motor mount tempplate[#2] it's there on photo's# 3,5 and 8 I should mention photo #6 is the bottom of the engine mount so may that and the temp plate threw you off,sorry for theconfusion.
Cheers: Rich
01-21-2013, 06:26 AM
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RE: Phoenix Edge 540 1.20
For those that use a DLE 20cc, are you mounting the gas under the wing tube? If so, what size tank are you using and how long can you fly?
02-22-2013, 06:24 PM
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RE: Phoenix Edge 540 1.20
ordered mine this morning should be here wednesday,tower hobbies rocks. paid 206.64 total, shipping included got dubro hinges some med ca and #11 exacto blades plus 35.00 off. glad to know about carbon fiber landing gear.
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RE: Phoenix Edge 540 1.20
My Edge 540 flew for the first time yesterday, even with the DLE 20 it was a little tail heavy. Next week will try again with batteries shifted foward for proper balance.........
07-12-2013, 06:06 PM
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RE: Phoenix Edge 540 1.20
I have just ordered the Phoenix Edge 540 from Tower and cant wait to start building
I will be using the DLE 20
Do I need a new engine mount or is the one supplied with kit ok
Some great information here which is great for us not so experienced builders.
I would like to know what suitable Futaba servo which is reasonably priced would be suitable
I have a Futaba 10c radio and would like to stick with Futaba
Also dont like CA hinges and would the Dubro pinned hinges be ok
I will be using the DLE 20
Do I need a new engine mount or is the one supplied with kit ok
Some great information here which is great for us not so experienced builders.
I would like to know what suitable Futaba servo which is reasonably priced would be suitable
I have a Futaba 10c radio and would like to stick with Futaba
Also dont like CA hinges and would the Dubro pinned hinges be ok
07-13-2013, 09:15 AM
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RE: Phoenix Edge 540 1.20
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I would like to know what suitable Futaba servo which is reasonably priced would be suitable
I have a Futaba 10c radio and would like to stick with Futaba
Also dont like CA hinges and would the Dubro pinned hinges be ok
I would like to know what suitable Futaba servo which is reasonably priced would be suitable
I have a Futaba 10c radio and would like to stick with Futaba
Also dont like CA hinges and would the Dubro pinned hinges be ok
I started with just one of them on my 540 rudder and felt the difference immediately. I'm using 5 of them on my 30cc SBach since December with no issues.
God, I sound like a freaking commercial. But I'm not affilliated with Redwing in any way.
I used the CA hinges with the kit and had no problem. When I finally piled in the 540, I checked the hindges and they were all sound.
..Joe L
07-13-2013, 02:08 PM
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RE: Phoenix Edge 540 1.20
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I understand your preference, but do yourself a favor and check out the XQ 4013 servos at Redwing RC. They are only $34 bucks for 5 or more and the specs are fantastic - digital, coreless, titanium, 200.1oz-in, .11 sec. You'll be hard pressed to find those specs anywhere and the guys at Redwing give great support.
I started with just one of them on my 540 rudder and felt the difference immediately. I'm using 5 of them on my 30cc SBach since December with no issues.
God, I sound like a freaking commercial. But I'm not affilliated with Redwing in any way.
I used the CA hinges with the kit and had no problem. When I finally piled in the 540, I checked the hindges and they were all sound.
..Joe L
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I would like to know what suitable Futaba servo which is reasonably priced would be suitable
I have a Futaba 10c radio and would like to stick with Futaba
Also dont like CA hinges and would the Dubro pinned hinges be ok
I would like to know what suitable Futaba servo which is reasonably priced would be suitable
I have a Futaba 10c radio and would like to stick with Futaba
Also dont like CA hinges and would the Dubro pinned hinges be ok
I started with just one of them on my 540 rudder and felt the difference immediately. I'm using 5 of them on my 30cc SBach since December with no issues.
God, I sound like a freaking commercial. But I'm not affilliated with Redwing in any way.
I used the CA hinges with the kit and had no problem. When I finally piled in the 540, I checked the hindges and they were all sound.
..Joe L
Imho the suppied motor mount is junk and I wouldn't use it,I would use a GP 60-120 size motor mount and trim the mount at the rear of the mount worked very on mt Revolver.Or you could buy the mount I mentioned on this page from Seaplansuppliese and buy some Hangar 9 standoff's for thier Taylorcraft, it's almost a perfect match for the DLE-20. When you prpgram your radio I would highly recommend you program your radio with 40% expo on low rates and 60-70% on high rates.My edge was overpowered with the EVO-26GT and very pitch sensive unit I increase my expo,in hindsight I should installed a DLE-20 in it.I sold the airframe and move on to a larger airframe got luck with you build.Oh almost forgot I would start with a CG that is slightly nose heavy,you will thank me later and you may want to move the forward slighly the plane is tail heavy. Cheers: Rich
12-11-2013, 01:11 PM
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You dudes overthink this ****. Don't listen to these "aircraft engineers" and their overbuilding bull****. You can cut the firewall to mount your gasser. You don't "have to use digital servos to do 3D", etc., etc. etc.. These guys like to build **** and cant fly. Build your plane the way you want to.
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You dudes overthink this ****. Don't listen to these "aircraft engineers" and their overbuilding bull****. You can cut the firewall to mount your gasser. You don't "have to use digital servos to do 3D", etc., etc. etc.. These guys like to build **** and cant fly. Build your plane the way you want to.
..Joe L
12-12-2013, 09:16 AM
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[QUOTE=Joe_L;11683041]Haha! Looks like we have attracted a troll guys. Check his profile and you will see that he likes to stir the ****. Along with trying to legitimize his creds by being associated with a now non existent web site.
..Joe L[/QUOTE
I have been flying rc for 15 years. Everything from helis to 42% IMAC planes. I stir the ++++ when I see bogus info from internet flyers. I just bought a Phoenix Edge that will have a RCGF 20cc mounted to it. I don't try to legitimize squat. I worked for DawghouseRC while he was still in business. As always, have nice day.
PS: I edited my signature just for you sweetie.
..Joe L[/QUOTE
I have been flying rc for 15 years. Everything from helis to 42% IMAC planes. I stir the ++++ when I see bogus info from internet flyers. I just bought a Phoenix Edge that will have a RCGF 20cc mounted to it. I don't try to legitimize squat. I worked for DawghouseRC while he was still in business. As always, have nice day.
PS: I edited my signature just for you sweetie.
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01-30-2014, 12:04 PM
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The supplied control horns are no good. They are not long enough to line up with the hinge line. Thus, very little throw. I only saw one guy on this entire thread mention that. Proves to me most of you don't know what you're doing when building.
"linkage supplied are too short to increase throws and control horns would not line up vertically to servo’s
"linkage supplied are too short to increase throws and control horns would not line up vertically to servo’s
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I have a the edge and I put a 20cc evo gas in at after redoing the hole front of the plane to fit the muffler hope it fly's well to late to put a 1.20 glow in it dose anyone no if the 20cc ego and the dle are close
09-02-2014, 08:53 AM
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Anyone still flying these? Tower had them for $174.99 with free shipping over the weekend, add in their regular discount codes and they can be had for $160 shipped. Too cheap to say no! Buddy of mine and myself just ordered up a couple of these for the DLE's.
I will be building mine with extreme detail to weight, if I can get it around 8lbs dry I would be very happy.
I will be building mine with extreme detail to weight, if I can get it around 8lbs dry I would be very happy.