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RE: might stop selling on ebay
ORIGINAL: nitrosportsandrunner
sarcasm or no?
Ive only used amazon 2 times (as a buyer) and while it went smooth, I cant say I know anything about amazon and how it works.
ORIGINAL: collector1231
Start selling on amazon; Its a lot better.
Start selling on amazon; Its a lot better.
Ive only used amazon 2 times (as a buyer) and while it went smooth, I cant say I know anything about amazon and how it works.
03-06-2013, 05:21 AM
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ORIGINAL: phmaximus
sweet, Dont know if it will effect anything, but its a good start.
Next thing to ask.... what happens if I receive the item and there is no problems/faults with it? or parts are missing?
ORIGINAL: nitrosportsandrunner
just checked, and paypal's is basically the same!
13.3 Ineligible Items. PayPal Purchase Protection only applies to PayPal payments for certain tangible, physical goods. Payments for the following are not eligible for reimbursement under PayPal Purchase Protection:
•Intangible items, including Digital Goods
•Services
•Real estate, including residential property
•Businesses
•Vehicles, including motor vehicles, motorcycles, caravans, aircraft and boats
I just called paypal and spoke with someone, pointing out that their policy doesnt cover motor vehicles and that the item sold is a miniture motor vehicle containing a combustion engine which uses fuel.
The person put a ''ticket'' with this information sent to the claims departement.
I dont think it will effect this claim, as they already have informed the buyer he can send it back for a refund....
but maybe consider adding RC models to that list.
We all know that nearly no brick and mortor strore would accept a Nitro model back once it sees fuel.
I also explained that the item included a starter kit with fuel....which he used and is not resellable at all. Paypal acts like the reason they have the buyer ship it back is so that if the buyer was lying the seller gets the item back and can re-sell it.
ORIGINAL: phmaximus
Ill i hope is its not a scam....ive been trying to get some one to read this about 30 posts ago.
[link=http://www.terminaldigit.com/2009/12/26/the-ebay-snad-scam-how-to-get-anything-for-free-off-ebay/]ebay scam[/link]
This could very wellbe happining to u.... hope not.
Ive spent alot of time looking through the policys for ebay.com and paypal.
there is a few item not covered under there protection act. one for example is a motor vehicle....
U could argue that a nitro rc car is considered a motor vehicle and challange them to prove u wrong. ive checked and checked, and I cant find a list that says they are included. Somaby ask them where does it say where they are covered? and ask for a link
Quote this to paypal
''A motor vehicle or road vehicle is a self-propelled wheeled vehicle that does not operate on rails, such as trains or trolleys. The vehicle propulsion is provided by an engine or motor, usually by an internal combustion engine, or an electric motor, or some combination of the two, such as hybrid electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids.''
I have had one thought...... if u have a set of scales make sure the parcell weighs the same as a new one, if its does not dont accept the dilevery. it could be a box of rocks, and as soon as i sign for it u have paypal will refund the buyer. Paypal dont care whats in the box..... there are thousands of cases like this
Ill i hope is its not a scam....ive been trying to get some one to read this about 30 posts ago.
[link=http://www.terminaldigit.com/2009/12/26/the-ebay-snad-scam-how-to-get-anything-for-free-off-ebay/]ebay scam[/link]
This could very wellbe happining to u.... hope not.
Ive spent alot of time looking through the policys for ebay.com and paypal.
there is a few item not covered under there protection act. one for example is a motor vehicle....
U could argue that a nitro rc car is considered a motor vehicle and challange them to prove u wrong. ive checked and checked, and I cant find a list that says they are included. Somaby ask them where does it say where they are covered? and ask for a link
Quote this to paypal
''A motor vehicle or road vehicle is a self-propelled wheeled vehicle that does not operate on rails, such as trains or trolleys. The vehicle propulsion is provided by an engine or motor, usually by an internal combustion engine, or an electric motor, or some combination of the two, such as hybrid electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids.''
I have had one thought...... if u have a set of scales make sure the parcell weighs the same as a new one, if its does not dont accept the dilevery. it could be a box of rocks, and as soon as i sign for it u have paypal will refund the buyer. Paypal dont care whats in the box..... there are thousands of cases like this
13.3 Ineligible Items. PayPal Purchase Protection only applies to PayPal payments for certain tangible, physical goods. Payments for the following are not eligible for reimbursement under PayPal Purchase Protection:
•Intangible items, including Digital Goods
•Services
•Real estate, including residential property
•Businesses
•Vehicles, including motor vehicles, motorcycles, caravans, aircraft and boats
I just called paypal and spoke with someone, pointing out that their policy doesnt cover motor vehicles and that the item sold is a miniture motor vehicle containing a combustion engine which uses fuel.
The person put a ''ticket'' with this information sent to the claims departement.
I dont think it will effect this claim, as they already have informed the buyer he can send it back for a refund....
but maybe consider adding RC models to that list.
We all know that nearly no brick and mortor strore would accept a Nitro model back once it sees fuel.
I also explained that the item included a starter kit with fuel....which he used and is not resellable at all. Paypal acts like the reason they have the buyer ship it back is so that if the buyer was lying the seller gets the item back and can re-sell it.
Next thing to ask.... what happens if I receive the item and there is no problems/faults with it? or parts are missing?
They say that to me like it makes everything all better. meanwhile, my paypal account has been short $200 for almost 2 weeks now.
But yeh, if the buyer returns the item and anything is fishy I do have course of action I can take.
03-06-2013, 05:24 AM
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I sell on both Ebay and Amazon. I do anywhere from $30k to $60K on Ebay per month and significantly less then that on Amazon. If you think Amazon is going to side more with the seller then you are terribly mistaken. Amazon has set the bar and is the reason Ebay has made a lot of the changes they have against the sellers. Ebay over the last 6 months has finally put in some policies to help sellers but they are still way behind. The problem as Ebay sees it is that sellers over the years have burned many customers and that is the reason their sales and membership has declined over the years. They saw a lot of their sales going to Amazon so they decided to get more in line with Amazon's policies. In the case with the car, the no returns policy would have been upheld if the customer did not want it but because he is stating the item is not as described then that overrides everything. If it were Amazon he would have filed an A to Z claim and Amazon would have done the very same thing. What I have learned on Ebay over the years is that volume is the name of the game. You have to be willing to accept a few losses like this per year or get out. I know it sucks and I have been in those shoes many, many times. It used to keep me up at night and now I just shrug it off. International buyers who claim they did not get their item even though tracking says it was delivered is a common one. Nothing we can do about it because there is no signature. I was told once by paypal that "it is just a cost of doing buisness" In the end I make my living off of these sites and even though it sucks sometimes and we get burned I do think it brings more buyers to the table because the stigma of the danger of doing business on these sites is going away (for buyers).
03-06-2013, 05:30 AM
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ORIGINAL: Maximilionalpha
I say that any ebay seller who has ''no returns'' in their ads, are more than likely selling something that they know there's a problem with in the first place,warranty, or no warranty. The only items that I can see with a legit ''no returns'', are computer electronics and and other electronic items as such. I think that it's you sellers who buy things in bulk from warehouses and then list them on ebay, with ''no returns'' in your ads, who are trying to get over on buyers.
I say that any ebay seller who has ''no returns'' in their ads, are more than likely selling something that they know there's a problem with in the first place,warranty, or no warranty. The only items that I can see with a legit ''no returns'', are computer electronics and and other electronic items as such. I think that it's you sellers who buy things in bulk from warehouses and then list them on ebay, with ''no returns'' in your ads, who are trying to get over on buyers.
As a buyer on ebay, I wont buy from a seller that says "no returns". That is my option as a buyer. I can pick a seller who has the terms I want.
So I dont see a problem with me selling with a "no returns" policy. Buyers are free to accept that policy or buy from another seller with different terms. Its not like I have the market on what I sell, plenty of other Ebay sellers have Redcat stuff.
I had the "no returns" policy because the items I sell can be damaged by anyone who doesnt know how to operate them. And because Redcat is awsome about covering items that are defective.
And lets face it, with Redcat's prices on their RTR's (especially nitros) they attract alot of newbs. And those are the ones most likely to either not operate the model correct, or to be unsatisfied with their model when they realize nitro isnt "plug and play".
Again, had my buyer contacted me BEFORE he put fuel in it with an issue, I would have worked with him.
I do see your point tho, as I am sure there are sellers who buy stuff that may be damaged, with no warrenty, and sell it only caring about making an easy buck. But again, the buyer has the choice of accepting a sellers terms, or to shop elsewhere.
Seller sets the terms....but buyer chooses whether or not to accept them.
At least, thats how it should be. but buy from any seller and ebay/paypal will let you return the item anyway. Thats how it actually is.
03-06-2013, 05:39 AM
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nuts,
the buyer shipped the package.
He will get his(my) money once it shows as delivered.
Tracking info doesnt show weight or any details yet.
Once it does, Ill compair to the original shipping weight.
the buyer shipped the package.
He will get his(my) money once it shows as delivered.
Tracking info doesnt show weight or any details yet.
Once it does, Ill compair to the original shipping weight.
03-06-2013, 05:50 AM
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Nitrosport, when you receive the package, make sure you take a video of you opening the package and going through it to make sure everything is there and intact. Start the video before you even cut the seal on the box. This will give you proof to PayPal if there is anything missing or damaged and they will be much more likely to get you money back from the buyer. I have seen it happen several times on a different website. If you do not have a video it will be a he said, she said argument and there is no telling if you will be reimbursed for any damage or missing items.
03-06-2013, 08:03 AM
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RE: might stop selling on ebay
ORIGINAL: Maximilionalpha
I say that any ebay seller who has ''no returns'' in their ads, are more than likely selling something that they know there's a problem with in the first place,warranty, or no warranty. The only items that I can see with a legit ''no returns'', are computer electronics and and other electronic items as such. I think that it's you sellers who buy things in bulk from warehouses and then list them on ebay, with ''no returns'' in your ads, who are trying to get over on buyers.
I say that any ebay seller who has ''no returns'' in their ads, are more than likely selling something that they know there's a problem with in the first place,warranty, or no warranty. The only items that I can see with a legit ''no returns'', are computer electronics and and other electronic items as such. I think that it's you sellers who buy things in bulk from warehouses and then list them on ebay, with ''no returns'' in your ads, who are trying to get over on buyers.
03-06-2013, 08:05 AM
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I sell on both Ebay and Amazon. I do anywhere from $30k to $60K on Ebay per month and significantly less then that on Amazon. If you think Amazon is going to side more with the seller then you are terribly mistaken. Amazon has set the bar and is the reason Ebay has made a lot of the changes they have against the sellers. Ebay over the last 6 months has finally put in some policies to help sellers but they are still way behind. The problem as Ebay sees it is that sellers over the years have burned many customers and that is the reason their sales and membership has declined over the years. They saw a lot of their sales going to Amazon so they decided to get more in line with Amazon's policies. In the case with the car, the no returns policy would have been upheld if the customer did not want it but because he is stating the item is not as described then that overrides everything. If it were Amazon he would have filed an A to Z claim and Amazon would have done the very same thing. What I have learned on Ebay over the years is that volume is the name of the game. You have to be willing to accept a few losses like this per year or get out. I know it sucks and I have been in those shoes many, many times. It used to keep me up at night and now I just shrug it off. International buyers who claim they did not get their item even though tracking says it was delivered is a common one. Nothing we can do about it because there is no signature. I was told once by paypal that ''it is just a cost of doing buisness'' In the end I make my living off of these sites and even though it sucks sometimes and we get burned I do think it brings more buyers to the table because the stigma of the danger of doing business on these sites is going away (for buyers).
I sell on both Ebay and Amazon. I do anywhere from $30k to $60K on Ebay per month and significantly less then that on Amazon. If you think Amazon is going to side more with the seller then you are terribly mistaken. Amazon has set the bar and is the reason Ebay has made a lot of the changes they have against the sellers. Ebay over the last 6 months has finally put in some policies to help sellers but they are still way behind. The problem as Ebay sees it is that sellers over the years have burned many customers and that is the reason their sales and membership has declined over the years. They saw a lot of their sales going to Amazon so they decided to get more in line with Amazon's policies. In the case with the car, the no returns policy would have been upheld if the customer did not want it but because he is stating the item is not as described then that overrides everything. If it were Amazon he would have filed an A to Z claim and Amazon would have done the very same thing. What I have learned on Ebay over the years is that volume is the name of the game. You have to be willing to accept a few losses like this per year or get out. I know it sucks and I have been in those shoes many, many times. It used to keep me up at night and now I just shrug it off. International buyers who claim they did not get their item even though tracking says it was delivered is a common one. Nothing we can do about it because there is no signature. I was told once by paypal that ''it is just a cost of doing buisness'' In the end I make my living off of these sites and even though it sucks sometimes and we get burned I do think it brings more buyers to the table because the stigma of the danger of doing business on these sites is going away (for buyers).
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What the heck do you sell on ebay, drugs? lol
03-06-2013, 09:18 AM
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My understanding, and I may be wrong is the following:
When a seller says "no returns" it means the seller will not accept a return from the buyer because the buyer decides he does not want or need or like the product.
When a seller says "no returns" he is not relieved of the responsibility to correctly describe his item. If the seller advertises the item to be new he is implying that the product is new, without defect, and complete. The buyer has a right to return the item to the seller if it was sold as new and turns out to be defective or incomplete or not new.
I think this is generally how it works on eBay and elsewhere.
When a seller says "no returns" it means the seller will not accept a return from the buyer because the buyer decides he does not want or need or like the product.
When a seller says "no returns" he is not relieved of the responsibility to correctly describe his item. If the seller advertises the item to be new he is implying that the product is new, without defect, and complete. The buyer has a right to return the item to the seller if it was sold as new and turns out to be defective or incomplete or not new.
I think this is generally how it works on eBay and elsewhere.
03-06-2013, 09:24 AM
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ORIGINAL: Maximilionalpha
I say that any ebay seller who has ''no returns'' in their ads, are more than likely selling something that they know there's a problem with in the first place,warranty, or no warranty. The only items that I can see with a legit ''no returns'', are computer electronics and and other electronic items as such. I think that it's you sellers who buy things in bulk from warehouses and then list them on ebay, with ''no returns'' in your ads, who are trying to get over on buyers.
I say that any ebay seller who has ''no returns'' in their ads, are more than likely selling something that they know there's a problem with in the first place,warranty, or no warranty. The only items that I can see with a legit ''no returns'', are computer electronics and and other electronic items as such. I think that it's you sellers who buy things in bulk from warehouses and then list them on ebay, with ''no returns'' in your ads, who are trying to get over on buyers.
I guess all brick, and mortar hobby shops you can walk in are then selling something they know there's a problem with as everyone I've been in or dealt business with have a no return on nitro gear once opened. Lets face it the dude even opened the fuel itself... I can actually just imagine the owner of the one LHS I know laugh in their face if they brought a bottle of nitro back after it's been opened with a RC they ran.
I bought a used nitro on ebay that the previous owner ran TWICE, and he totaled the engine. I doubt the engine had 10 minutes run time on it looking at the external condition of it and the condition the RC it was in. Guy ran it so lean(as I judged by the needle settings when I got it) the piston was damaged seems he didn't even break it in.
03-06-2013, 10:43 AM
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i sold a turbine to 1st time buyer and Jet flyer in Netherland with video flight and ECU reading of 1.5 hours after the auction ended 2 year ago his buddy told him to send in for inspection which he was told it needed the upgrades cause it was an older P-80 and gave him an invoice he expected me to pay and PayPal gave him the $1300 back and i got a disasembled motor...i showed this to a Rep who says it was okay but the ECU was not sent in with it so Jetcat assumed it never got upgraded until to late...basically a paypal rep who flies heli,s say,s new guy knew nothing about Turbine,s and neither does Paypal BUT i still lost my case cause he had invoice of repairs this new buyer has not bought much since then but i have sold for 10 years and i always take my money out when paid so paypal didn,t get my money ..Their attitude is there is always seller to replace me but not alway a buyer and is making it easy for people to flock to scamming methods
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i sold a turbine to 1st time buyer and Jet flyer in Netherland with video flight and ECU reading of 1.5 hours after the auction ended 2 year ago his buddy told him to send in for inspection which he was told it needed the upgrades cause it was an older P-80 and gave him an invoice he expected me to pay and PayPal gave him the $1300 back and i got a disasembled motor...i showed this to a Rep who says it was okay but the ECU was not sent in with it so Jetcat assumed it never got upgraded until to late...basically a paypal rep who flies heli,s say,s new guy knew nothing about Turbine,s and neither does Paypal BUT i still lost my case cause he had invoice of repairs this new buyer has not bought much since then but i have sold for 10 years and i always take my money out when paid so paypal didn,t get my money ..Their attitude is there is always seller to replace me but not alway a buyer and is making it easy for people to flock to scamming methods
i sold a turbine to 1st time buyer and Jet flyer in Netherland with video flight and ECU reading of 1.5 hours after the auction ended 2 year ago his buddy told him to send in for inspection which he was told it needed the upgrades cause it was an older P-80 and gave him an invoice he expected me to pay and PayPal gave him the $1300 back and i got a disasembled motor...i showed this to a Rep who says it was okay but the ECU was not sent in with it so Jetcat assumed it never got upgraded until to late...basically a paypal rep who flies heli,s say,s new guy knew nothing about Turbine,s and neither does Paypal BUT i still lost my case cause he had invoice of repairs this new buyer has not bought much since then but i have sold for 10 years and i always take my money out when paid so paypal didn,t get my money ..Their attitude is there is always seller to replace me but not alway a buyer and is making it easy for people to flock to scamming methods
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I haven't used ebay in years.. for this exact reason. Paypal is an absolute joke. Ebay is an absolute joke. I mean usually their prices are about 20-30 dollars cheaper than a hobby store or whatever. But then they want 40 or 50 dollars to ship it. You have to jump through all sorts of hoops. They charge a lot to sell itens. When you buy items there is a good chance they are over seas and it takes 3 weeks to get to you. Its just not worth getting burned when I can go down to the hobby shop build a relationship with the owner. Get way good deals and not have to worry about when my package is going to get here, go home and play with my toy the same day. Its so sad because this society has become I want it as cheap as possible/its never my fault/whine whine whine.
But ya anyways that's why I don't use online retailers/auctions anymore
plus everything nowdays is price to compete with the internet this isn't the early 2000'nds anymore.
But ya anyways that's why I don't use online retailers/auctions anymore
plus everything nowdays is price to compete with the internet this isn't the early 2000'nds anymore.
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ORIGINAL: JPMacG
My understanding, and I may be wrong is the following:
When a seller says ''no returns'' it means the seller will not accept a return from the buyer because the buyer decides he does not want or need or like the product.
When a seller says ''no returns'' he is not relieved of the responsibility to correctly describe his item. If the seller advertises the item to be new he is implying that the product is new, without defect, and complete. The buyer has a right to return the item to the seller if it was sold as new and turns out to be defective or incomplete or not new.
I think this is generally how it works on eBay and elsewhere.
My understanding, and I may be wrong is the following:
When a seller says ''no returns'' it means the seller will not accept a return from the buyer because the buyer decides he does not want or need or like the product.
When a seller says ''no returns'' he is not relieved of the responsibility to correctly describe his item. If the seller advertises the item to be new he is implying that the product is new, without defect, and complete. The buyer has a right to return the item to the seller if it was sold as new and turns out to be defective or incomplete or not new.
I think this is generally how it works on eBay and elsewhere.
03-06-2013, 02:00 PM
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ORIGINAL: Ttam Says Blarg
I haven't used ebay in years.. for this exact reason. Paypal is an absolute joke. Ebay is an absolute joke. I mean usually their prices are about 20-30 dollars cheaper than a hobby store or whatever. But then they want 40 or 50 dollars to ship it. You have to jump through all sorts of hoops. They charge a lot to sell itens. When you buy items there is a good chance they are over seas and it takes 3 weeks to get to you. Its just not worth getting burned when I can go down to the hobby shop build a relationship with the owner. Get way good deals and not have to worry about when my package is going to get here, go home and play with my toy the same day. Its so sad because this society has become I want it as cheap as possible/its never my fault/whine whine whine.
But ya anyways that's why I don't use online retailers/auctions anymore
plus everything nowdays is price to compete with the internet this isn't the early 2000'nds anymore.
I haven't used ebay in years.. for this exact reason. Paypal is an absolute joke. Ebay is an absolute joke. I mean usually their prices are about 20-30 dollars cheaper than a hobby store or whatever. But then they want 40 or 50 dollars to ship it. You have to jump through all sorts of hoops. They charge a lot to sell itens. When you buy items there is a good chance they are over seas and it takes 3 weeks to get to you. Its just not worth getting burned when I can go down to the hobby shop build a relationship with the owner. Get way good deals and not have to worry about when my package is going to get here, go home and play with my toy the same day. Its so sad because this society has become I want it as cheap as possible/its never my fault/whine whine whine.
But ya anyways that's why I don't use online retailers/auctions anymore
plus everything nowdays is price to compete with the internet this isn't the early 2000'nds anymore.
NOW if I want a traxxas SURE the LHS is the place to go as the 30% extra fee isn't that big of a deal as I'd be overpaying already they have like every single traxxas model there too that they keep trying to push, but they don't even stock the parts to those models anymore as last time I went I wanted a shock spring was told to come back in 3-4 days, the STOCK pinion same story, and they only had the rear arms that time when I wanted front RPM(and it was for a merv which they sold so it wasn't some rare vehicle)... All of which I ordered off ebay, and had shipped to my door for $1-2 less than they charged for the part, not counting the $10 in gas I'd have blew going to the LHS.
Then they don't stock almost any parts for the greater majority of my other 20 vehicles so they are kinda not worth dealing with(they used to stock parts, but they jumped on the traxxas bandwagon).
03-06-2013, 02:01 PM
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ORIGINAL: vega406
i sold a turbine to 1st time buyer and Jet flyer in Netherland with video flight and ECU reading of 1.5 hours after the auction ended 2 year ago his buddy told him to send in for inspection which he was told it needed the upgrades cause it was an older P-80 and gave him an invoice he expected me to pay and PayPal gave him the $1300 back and i got a disasembled motor...i showed this to a Rep who says it was okay but the ECU was not sent in with it so Jetcat assumed it never got upgraded until to late...basically a paypal rep who flies heli,s say,s new guy knew nothing about Turbine,s and neither does Paypal BUT i still lost my case cause he had invoice of repairs this new buyer has not bought much since then but i have sold for 10 years and i always take my money out when paid so paypal didn,t get my money ..Their attitude is there is always seller to replace me but not alway a buyer and is making it easy for people to flock to scamming methods
i sold a turbine to 1st time buyer and Jet flyer in Netherland with video flight and ECU reading of 1.5 hours after the auction ended 2 year ago his buddy told him to send in for inspection which he was told it needed the upgrades cause it was an older P-80 and gave him an invoice he expected me to pay and PayPal gave him the $1300 back and i got a disasembled motor...i showed this to a Rep who says it was okay but the ECU was not sent in with it so Jetcat assumed it never got upgraded until to late...basically a paypal rep who flies heli,s say,s new guy knew nothing about Turbine,s and neither does Paypal BUT i still lost my case cause he had invoice of repairs this new buyer has not bought much since then but i have sold for 10 years and i always take my money out when paid so paypal didn,t get my money ..Their attitude is there is always seller to replace me but not alway a buyer and is making it easy for people to flock to scamming methods
sorry man.
Less here is, dont sell on ebay, just buy. No matter what happens, if you are the buyer YOU are protected.
Paypal and Ebay have these policies because it makes THEM look good to buyers. It does not nessesaraly produce a fair and reasonable selling/buying environment.
Their policies would be different if the money came out of their pockets. Then they might take the time to fully examine a claim, require some proof from the buyer and actually learn a thing or two about the item in question.
03-06-2013, 02:02 PM
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ORIGINAL: nitrosportsandrunner
wow, that makes what happened to me small bananas.
sorry man.
Less here is, dont sell on ebay, just buy. No matter what happens, if you are the buyer YOU are protected.
Paypal and Ebay have these policies because it makes THEM look good to buyers. It does not nessesaraly produce a fair and reasonable selling/buying environment.
Their policies would be different if the money came out of their pockets. Then they might take the time to fully examine a claim, require some proof from the buyer and actually learn a thing or two about the item in question.
ORIGINAL: vega406
i sold a turbine to 1st time buyer and Jet flyer in Netherland with video flight and ECU reading of 1.5 hours after the auction ended 2 year ago his buddy told him to send in for inspection which he was told it needed the upgrades cause it was an older P-80 and gave him an invoice he expected me to pay and PayPal gave him the $1300 back and i got a disasembled motor...i showed this to a Rep who says it was okay but the ECU was not sent in with it so Jetcat assumed it never got upgraded until to late...basically a paypal rep who flies heli,s say,s new guy knew nothing about Turbine,s and neither does Paypal BUT i still lost my case cause he had invoice of repairs this new buyer has not bought much since then but i have sold for 10 years and i always take my money out when paid so paypal didn,t get my money ..Their attitude is there is always seller to replace me but not alway a buyer and is making it easy for people to flock to scamming methods
i sold a turbine to 1st time buyer and Jet flyer in Netherland with video flight and ECU reading of 1.5 hours after the auction ended 2 year ago his buddy told him to send in for inspection which he was told it needed the upgrades cause it was an older P-80 and gave him an invoice he expected me to pay and PayPal gave him the $1300 back and i got a disasembled motor...i showed this to a Rep who says it was okay but the ECU was not sent in with it so Jetcat assumed it never got upgraded until to late...basically a paypal rep who flies heli,s say,s new guy knew nothing about Turbine,s and neither does Paypal BUT i still lost my case cause he had invoice of repairs this new buyer has not bought much since then but i have sold for 10 years and i always take my money out when paid so paypal didn,t get my money ..Their attitude is there is always seller to replace me but not alway a buyer and is making it easy for people to flock to scamming methods
sorry man.
Less here is, dont sell on ebay, just buy. No matter what happens, if you are the buyer YOU are protected.
Paypal and Ebay have these policies because it makes THEM look good to buyers. It does not nessesaraly produce a fair and reasonable selling/buying environment.
Their policies would be different if the money came out of their pockets. Then they might take the time to fully examine a claim, require some proof from the buyer and actually learn a thing or two about the item in question.
03-06-2013, 02:22 PM
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ORIGINAL: nitrosportsandrunner
wow, that makes what happened to me small bananas.
sorry man.
Less here is, dont sell on ebay, just buy. No matter what happens, if you are the buyer YOU are protected.
Paypal and Ebay have these policies because it makes THEM look good to buyers. It does not nessesaraly produce a fair and reasonable selling/buying environment.
Their policies would be different if the money came out of their pockets. Then they might take the time to fully examine a claim, require some proof from the buyer and actually learn a thing or two about the item in question.
ORIGINAL: vega406
i sold a turbine to 1st time buyer and Jet flyer in Netherland with video flight and ECU reading of 1.5 hours after the auction ended 2 year ago his buddy told him to send in for inspection which he was told it needed the upgrades cause it was an older P-80 and gave him an invoice he expected me to pay and PayPal gave him the $1300 back and i got a disasembled motor...i showed this to a Rep who says it was okay but the ECU was not sent in with it so Jetcat assumed it never got upgraded until to late...basically a paypal rep who flies heli,s say,s new guy knew nothing about Turbine,s and neither does Paypal BUT i still lost my case cause he had invoice of repairs this new buyer has not bought much since then but i have sold for 10 years and i always take my money out when paid so paypal didn,t get my money ..Their attitude is there is always seller to replace me but not alway a buyer and is making it easy for people to flock to scamming methods
i sold a turbine to 1st time buyer and Jet flyer in Netherland with video flight and ECU reading of 1.5 hours after the auction ended 2 year ago his buddy told him to send in for inspection which he was told it needed the upgrades cause it was an older P-80 and gave him an invoice he expected me to pay and PayPal gave him the $1300 back and i got a disasembled motor...i showed this to a Rep who says it was okay but the ECU was not sent in with it so Jetcat assumed it never got upgraded until to late...basically a paypal rep who flies heli,s say,s new guy knew nothing about Turbine,s and neither does Paypal BUT i still lost my case cause he had invoice of repairs this new buyer has not bought much since then but i have sold for 10 years and i always take my money out when paid so paypal didn,t get my money ..Their attitude is there is always seller to replace me but not alway a buyer and is making it easy for people to flock to scamming methods
sorry man.
Less here is, dont sell on ebay, just buy. No matter what happens, if you are the buyer YOU are protected.
Paypal and Ebay have these policies because it makes THEM look good to buyers. It does not nessesaraly produce a fair and reasonable selling/buying environment.
Their policies would be different if the money came out of their pockets. Then they might take the time to fully examine a claim, require some proof from the buyer and actually learn a thing or two about the item in question.
03-06-2013, 06:43 PM
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RE: might stop selling on ebay
ORIGINAL: nitrosportsandrunner
paypal said I can open an appeal if the item is fine, of it stuff is missing, or even if its clear somehow that the buyer damaged it.
They say that to me like it makes everything all better. meanwhile, my paypal account has been short $200 for almost 2 weeks now.
But yeh, if the buyer returns the item and anything is fishy I do have course of action I can take.
paypal said I can open an appeal if the item is fine, of it stuff is missing, or even if its clear somehow that the buyer damaged it.
They say that to me like it makes everything all better. meanwhile, my paypal account has been short $200 for almost 2 weeks now.
But yeh, if the buyer returns the item and anything is fishy I do have course of action I can take.
03-06-2013, 06:46 PM
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I stopped selling on feeBay after the policies changed to charge "final value fees" on shipping.
It's understandable that somesellers were attempting to hide their costs by offering items for $0.99 plus a large shipping charge.
However, the buyers can also offer feedback for the fairness of the sellers shipping costs? So, it's a catch-22to charge fair shipping through eBay.
"FORTUNE" magazine claims eBay "is Back!", in its February 25th, 2013 issue: Volume 167 Number 3. But, the "red-hot" stock prices could indicate a discrepency, elsewhere.
As far as I'm concerned, the eBay bubble has burst. Many reputable vendors have started legitimate online businesses, with the help of eBay.
But, the flees are pushing people away....
It's understandable that somesellers were attempting to hide their costs by offering items for $0.99 plus a large shipping charge.
However, the buyers can also offer feedback for the fairness of the sellers shipping costs? So, it's a catch-22to charge fair shipping through eBay.
"FORTUNE" magazine claims eBay "is Back!", in its February 25th, 2013 issue: Volume 167 Number 3. But, the "red-hot" stock prices could indicate a discrepency, elsewhere.
As far as I'm concerned, the eBay bubble has burst. Many reputable vendors have started legitimate online businesses, with the help of eBay.
But, the flees are pushing people away....
ORIGINAL: Foxy
I stopped using ebay and paypal altogether when they started this policy of always siding with the buyer, especially since, during the old days when they primarily sided with sellers, I got bitten for over $400 (as buyer) in two transactions that went south (goods never turned up, paypal unwilling to do anything due to the fact it was over 30 days lapsed, despite my explaining that during holiday periods and such, it can easily take 30 days to get a large parcel to Greece AND through customs).
Paypal and eBay are a bad joke for anyone not in the US, and still more trouble than they are worth for those that are.
I stopped using ebay and paypal altogether when they started this policy of always siding with the buyer, especially since, during the old days when they primarily sided with sellers, I got bitten for over $400 (as buyer) in two transactions that went south (goods never turned up, paypal unwilling to do anything due to the fact it was over 30 days lapsed, despite my explaining that during holiday periods and such, it can easily take 30 days to get a large parcel to Greece AND through customs).
Paypal and eBay are a bad joke for anyone not in the US, and still more trouble than they are worth for those that are.
03-06-2013, 11:25 PM
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ebay has gotten rediculous! they are charging fees on just about everything, nd when someone pays you through paypal they take fees out of that too! id rather sell it to someone in person! i stopped selling on ebay a couple of months ago. its just not worth the fees, the hassle of dealing with people who dont know what they are doing, and if someone files a bad rating on you cuz they didnt know what they were buying ebay lets it stand and wont take it off. its stupid
03-07-2013, 03:41 AM
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RE: might stop selling on ebay
ORIGINAL: nitrosportsandrunner
As I have just discovered, what you put on your ebay ad means nothing.
I sell redcats. I sold a new shockwave nitro buggy to a person who messaged me and said ''i got the car today, started it up and the motor sounded like it was going to explode, so I just off the motor and put it in the box. It is not working right, I want a refund.''
Not the kind of message I like to find, but Redcat warrenties their stuff and it doesnt even sound like its broken.
I told him no returns, as it is stated in my ad.
I told him how to contact redcat for warrenty issues,
I linked the ''how to videos''
I explained how to break in a nitro motor.
I asked him what he thought was broken.
Without answering any of those questions, He filled a Paypal claim, saying it was ''internally damaged'' and ''externally damaged''
Even tho I emailed Paypal and called them, explaining what a nitro RC is and that his own words tell me the model works...He just doesnt know how to work it....Paypal has sided with him. I was told the buyer said the radio is damaged, and that even tho its warrentied my ad said it was new and thus he has the right to return it and get a refund.
Well, my ad also said no returns.
All this guy has to do now is ship the item to me and provide proof of delivery to Paypal and he gets his money.
So guys, it doesnt matter what you put on your ebay ad. You can say ''no returns'' but Paypal controls the world and your money.
My money is now in limbo. If the buyer ships the item, my money is gone and all I will have is a shockwave that Ill be lucky to get $80 for on ebay.
I love how the world gives to those who lie and screws honest people.
At all but the big box stores, any item which takes fuel cannot be returned once fuel has been added. Why paypal doesnt recognize that is beyond me. I told them I cannot resell the item as anything more than a roller, since the buyer could have damaged the motor.
I only make $200-$300 per month selling on ebay. If any joe-shmo who decides they dont like their purchase can return their model (even tho my ad states they cannot) because paypal will simply overrule my desicion as a seller then I cannot afford to take the risk of selling on ebay!
As I have just discovered, what you put on your ebay ad means nothing.
I sell redcats. I sold a new shockwave nitro buggy to a person who messaged me and said ''i got the car today, started it up and the motor sounded like it was going to explode, so I just off the motor and put it in the box. It is not working right, I want a refund.''
Not the kind of message I like to find, but Redcat warrenties their stuff and it doesnt even sound like its broken.
I told him no returns, as it is stated in my ad.
I told him how to contact redcat for warrenty issues,
I linked the ''how to videos''
I explained how to break in a nitro motor.
I asked him what he thought was broken.
Without answering any of those questions, He filled a Paypal claim, saying it was ''internally damaged'' and ''externally damaged''
Even tho I emailed Paypal and called them, explaining what a nitro RC is and that his own words tell me the model works...He just doesnt know how to work it....Paypal has sided with him. I was told the buyer said the radio is damaged, and that even tho its warrentied my ad said it was new and thus he has the right to return it and get a refund.
Well, my ad also said no returns.
All this guy has to do now is ship the item to me and provide proof of delivery to Paypal and he gets his money.
So guys, it doesnt matter what you put on your ebay ad. You can say ''no returns'' but Paypal controls the world and your money.
My money is now in limbo. If the buyer ships the item, my money is gone and all I will have is a shockwave that Ill be lucky to get $80 for on ebay.
I love how the world gives to those who lie and screws honest people.
At all but the big box stores, any item which takes fuel cannot be returned once fuel has been added. Why paypal doesnt recognize that is beyond me. I told them I cannot resell the item as anything more than a roller, since the buyer could have damaged the motor.
I only make $200-$300 per month selling on ebay. If any joe-shmo who decides they dont like their purchase can return their model (even tho my ad states they cannot) because paypal will simply overrule my desicion as a seller then I cannot afford to take the risk of selling on ebay!
I feel your pain. I use to sell a ton on Ebay and have only been burned a couple of times. I too did a few hundred a month UNTIL EBay and Paypal raised all their fees. My profit instantly went from $500-600 a month to $250-$300 and it just wasn't worth it to me to deal with the headache.
Paypal is a joke.. You can give them all the proof in the world and they will always side with the buyer. I once sold a car to a guy a few towns over and shipped it UPS per his instructions. US delivered the package and got a signature. Buyer said he never received it and Paypal gave him the money back.... Total BS..
03-07-2013, 08:20 AM
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RE: might stop selling on ebay
I am surprised Paypal doesn't understand what we do, one lean run or put in the dirt without filter and it is done, so obviously the person handling your case is not... smart. One idea is to sell parts only. Some guys do that, break up the kits and sell separately. Just an idea to stay in business with reduced risk.