Alright, who was it?
03-07-2013, 05:32 AM
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RE: Alright, who was it?
ORIGINAL: Pantherman2
You dont seem to have much faith in the government you people elected
You dont seem to have much faith in the government you people elected
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03-07-2013, 05:58 AM
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RE: Alright, who was it?
ORIGINAL: JohnVH
Lol. You want the govt to regulate your hobby? They can't even balance a checkbook, the last thing anyone needs is them having more power.
ORIGINAL: ira d
I think it may be time for the federal gov to regulate model aircraft operations because of the technology that has come to be available to average modeler in the
last few years, I also think the regulations should be fair and not intended to ban or severely restrict any one area of modeling, Also I think any regulations that
come about should apply to all modelers AMA or not.
I think it may be time for the federal gov to regulate model aircraft operations because of the technology that has come to be available to average modeler in the
last few years, I also think the regulations should be fair and not intended to ban or severely restrict any one area of modeling, Also I think any regulations that
come about should apply to all modelers AMA or not.
+1
03-07-2013, 06:26 AM
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RE: Alright, who was it?
OK Guys let's keep the politics out of this one.
I am letting it run for the moment as the incident mentioned in the OP has the potential to have a significant impact on our hobby.
I am letting it run for the moment as the incident mentioned in the OP has the potential to have a significant impact on our hobby.
03-07-2013, 07:38 AM
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RE: Alright, who was it?
I fly at a field where several guys fly MM fpvs and although I think it is a novel branch of our hobby, I don't think they are safe and the potential for someone outside of our hobby using the technology for bad intent is there. I would have no problem with the FAA banning such FPV aircraft. To me it would be worth it to sacrifice the joy of a few pilots to protect the flying rights of the vast majority of all the rest of us. I hate government intervention, but, when you have some moron flying in or near the flightpath of a major airport, perhaps it is time for them to step in. I hope they catch the guy.
03-07-2013, 08:43 AM
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The cynic in me thinks that this could be a set up, that any government could use to give weight to bringing in regulations to restrict flying in the airspace above their country. 
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03-07-2013, 08:58 AM
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RE: Alright, who was it?
ORIGINAL: BaldEagel
The cynic in me thinks that this could be a set up, that any government could use to give weight to bringing in regulations to restrict flying in the airspace above their country.
Mike
The cynic in me thinks that this could be a set up, that any government could use to give weight to bringing in regulations to restrict flying in the airspace above their country.
Mike
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03-07-2013, 09:18 AM
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Why do they keep showing Predators or other legitimate drones in these articles. This was a Parrot, an AR "Drone", a toy! And it was a uncaring person who will ultimately cause a lot of grief for our hobby!
03-07-2013, 12:01 PM
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RE: Alright, who was it?
[quote]ORIGINAL: gunradd
Also trust me you don't want the FAA involved. They will simply just ban everything with very strict guidelines. If you think for one second they can make an informed fare decision you are very wrong. End of gunrad quote.
Larryak reply.A voice of experience with the FAA. They have an iron fist, unlimited funding and enough Lawyers to close us down if one model airplane goes through the windscreen of an aircraft , especially an airliner. No I'm not a "doom and gloom guy" just relying on my past experience. Seems strange too that so many of us (me included)have witnessed or are awareof these drone type aircraft being flown dangerouslyby fellow modelers and we have not spoken up. The only people who can police our ranks is, and should be ,US.Larry
03-07-2013, 12:37 PM
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RE: Alright, who was it?
ORIGINAL: JohnVH
just like the gun control 
ORIGINAL: BaldEagel
The cynic in me thinks that this could be a set up, that any government could use to give weight to bringing in regulations to restrict flying in the airspace above their country.
Mike
The cynic in me thinks that this could be a set up, that any government could use to give weight to bringing in regulations to restrict flying in the airspace above their country.
Mike
Yes, there are some politicians who would like to control everything, with no fear of being shot by a citizen or comrade.
03-07-2013, 12:53 PM
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Ok guys, I've had to step in and remove a few posts. Let's keep the discussion on the topic of the drones. If/when we start bringing talk of the government into the discussion that is fine as long as we keep the discussion on the current topic. Any other political commentary will be removed. I know that sometimes it's hard to know where the line is between discussing government actions and political commentary, but you need to find it. Basically, and comments that don't have to do with the current topic are going to be considered political commentary and will be removed.
Hope this makes sense to everybody! 
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03-07-2013, 01:04 PM
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ORIGINAL: RCKen
Ok guys, I've had to step in and remove a few posts. Let's keep the discussion on the topic of the drones. If/when we start bringing talk of the government into the discussion that is fine as long as we keep the discussion on the current topic. Any other political commentary will be removed. I know that sometimes it's hard to know where the line is between discussing government actions and political commentary, but you need to find it. Basically, and comments that don't have to do with the current topic are going to be considered political commentary and will be removed.
Ok guys, I've had to step in and remove a few posts. Let's keep the discussion on the topic of the drones. If/when we start bringing talk of the government into the discussion that is fine as long as we keep the discussion on the current topic. Any other political commentary will be removed. I know that sometimes it's hard to know where the line is between discussing government actions and political commentary, but you need to find it. Basically, and comments that don't have to do with the current topic are going to be considered political commentary and will be removed.
Hope this makes sense to everybody!
Ken
03-07-2013, 01:42 PM
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RE: Alright, who was it?
ORIGINAL: Sport_Pilot
I understand, but it's the politic's that got us into this mess.
ORIGINAL: RCKen
Ok guys, I've had to step in and remove a few posts. Let's keep the discussion on the topic of the drones. If/when we start bringing talk of the government into the discussion that is fine as long as we keep the discussion on the current topic. Any other political commentary will be removed. I know that sometimes it's hard to know where the line is between discussing government actions and political commentary, but you need to find it. Basically, and comments that don't have to do with the current topic are going to be considered political commentary and will be removed.
Ok guys, I've had to step in and remove a few posts. Let's keep the discussion on the topic of the drones. If/when we start bringing talk of the government into the discussion that is fine as long as we keep the discussion on the current topic. Any other political commentary will be removed. I know that sometimes it's hard to know where the line is between discussing government actions and political commentary, but you need to find it. Basically, and comments that don't have to do with the current topic are going to be considered political commentary and will be removed.
Hope this makes sense to everybody!
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03-07-2013, 02:49 PM
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RE: Alright, who was it?
I think that we should seperate ourselves from all drone, fpv and any other methods we are flying without our own eyeballs on our models as well as the people that fly them.-I tried expressing this idea to the AMA over a year ago and was told that we need to embrace this and thus now they are trying to legislate the method.
We cannot legislate common sense-who in the hell would be flying in the flight path of a major airport at that altitude and think there is no problem?
He needs to be jailed to protect the public.
We cannot legislate common sense-who in the hell would be flying in the flight path of a major airport at that altitude and think there is no problem?
He needs to be jailed to protect the public.
03-07-2013, 02:54 PM
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ORIGINAL: Sport_Pilot
I understand, but it's the politic's that got us into this mess.
ORIGINAL: RCKen
Ok guys, I've had to step in and remove a few posts. Let's keep the discussion on the topic of the drones. If/when we start bringing talk of the government into the discussion that is fine as long as we keep the discussion on the current topic. Any other political commentary will be removed. I know that sometimes it's hard to know where the line is between discussing government actions and political commentary, but you need to find it. Basically, and comments that don't have to do with the current topic are going to be considered political commentary and will be removed.
Ok guys, I've had to step in and remove a few posts. Let's keep the discussion on the topic of the drones. If/when we start bringing talk of the government into the discussion that is fine as long as we keep the discussion on the current topic. Any other political commentary will be removed. I know that sometimes it's hard to know where the line is between discussing government actions and political commentary, but you need to find it. Basically, and comments that don't have to do with the current topic are going to be considered political commentary and will be removed.
Hope this makes sense to everybody!
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03-07-2013, 03:09 PM
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RE: Alright, who was it?
ORIGINAL: larryak
Sport pilot. Guess all the rest of us missed something. Would you please explain what part politics played in some idiot flying a model aircraft/drone (we dont know yet)in the flight path of an airliner landing at a major airport?
ORIGINAL: Sport_Pilot
I understand, but it's the politic's that got us into this mess.
ORIGINAL: RCKen
Ok guys, I've had to step in and remove a few posts. Let's keep the discussion on the topic of the drones. If/when we start bringing talk of the government into the discussion that is fine as long as we keep the discussion on the current topic. Any other political commentary will be removed. I know that sometimes it's hard to know where the line is between discussing government actions and political commentary, but you need to find it. Basically, and comments that don't have to do with the current topic are going to be considered political commentary and will be removed.
Ok guys, I've had to step in and remove a few posts. Let's keep the discussion on the topic of the drones. If/when we start bringing talk of the government into the discussion that is fine as long as we keep the discussion on the current topic. Any other political commentary will be removed. I know that sometimes it's hard to know where the line is between discussing government actions and political commentary, but you need to find it. Basically, and comments that don't have to do with the current topic are going to be considered political commentary and will be removed.
Hope this makes sense to everybody!
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03-07-2013, 05:31 PM
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RE: Alright, who was it?
ORIGINAL: FalconWings
I cannot imagine a 777 flying at 136 kts 3 miles out in an airport as busy as JFK.....but then again it is possible.
ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk
It has been identified as a 777-200 which has an approach speed of 136 kts and a stable approach speed is not flown ''slowing down fast''.
Regards
Frank
ORIGINAL: FalconWings
Ok, so this is an Alitalia flight arriving at JFK, I bet a 7t47 or a large 777, maybe a -67. @3 miles from JFK, you are very much on final at your middle marker with your landing clearance already granted. All eyes are on the VASI lights, checklists, and the runway in front of you. My best guess you are at ~ 165kias and slowing down fast.
How in the world can you spot a quadcopter, and distinctively see 4 props. I see a lot of imagination on this report. I can imagine a heli, or a lighter airplane spotting a small UAV, but not a heavy jet on final.
just my conspiracy theory......
David
Ok, so this is an Alitalia flight arriving at JFK, I bet a 7t47 or a large 777, maybe a -67. @3 miles from JFK, you are very much on final at your middle marker with your landing clearance already granted. All eyes are on the VASI lights, checklists, and the runway in front of you. My best guess you are at ~ 165kias and slowing down fast.
How in the world can you spot a quadcopter, and distinctively see 4 props. I see a lot of imagination on this report. I can imagine a heli, or a lighter airplane spotting a small UAV, but not a heavy jet on final.
just my conspiracy theory......
David
Regards
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03-07-2013, 11:31 PM
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RE: Alright, who was it?
Every political and regulatory issue aside, what is the worst case scenario if an airliner hits a model aircraft (whether it's a FPV, glider, F3A, etc) of reasonable size, let's say less then 4 kg?
I guess it could inflict very, very expensive damage to an engine, but is there any way at all it could cause a crash? Is a sudden loss of an engine on the final more than the plane-pilot-combination can handle? Is there any vital instruments or sensors outside an airliner that could be harmed in a collision and then cause the pilots to misjudge the landing?
And if it's just(?) money concerned, what would you estimate the cost for, let's say, an engine repair of an airliner? (Would it be more than I earn for a decade?)
I guess it could inflict very, very expensive damage to an engine, but is there any way at all it could cause a crash? Is a sudden loss of an engine on the final more than the plane-pilot-combination can handle? Is there any vital instruments or sensors outside an airliner that could be harmed in a collision and then cause the pilots to misjudge the landing?
And if it's just(?) money concerned, what would you estimate the cost for, let's say, an engine repair of an airliner? (Would it be more than I earn for a decade?)
03-08-2013, 07:17 AM
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ORIGINAL: SBS_Pilot
Every political and regulatory issue aside, what is the worst case scenario if an airliner hits a model aircraft (whether it's a FPV, glider, F3A, etc) of reasonable size, let's say less then 4 kg?
I guess it could inflict very, very expensive damage to an engine, but is there any way at all it could cause a crash? Is a sudden loss of an engine on the final more than the plane-pilot-combination can handle? Is there any vital instruments or sensors outside an airliner that could be harmed in a collision and then cause the pilots to misjudge the landing?
And if it's just(?) money concerned, what would you estimate the cost for, let's say, an engine repair of an airliner? (Would it be more than I earn for a decade?)
Every political and regulatory issue aside, what is the worst case scenario if an airliner hits a model aircraft (whether it's a FPV, glider, F3A, etc) of reasonable size, let's say less then 4 kg?
I guess it could inflict very, very expensive damage to an engine, but is there any way at all it could cause a crash? Is a sudden loss of an engine on the final more than the plane-pilot-combination can handle? Is there any vital instruments or sensors outside an airliner that could be harmed in a collision and then cause the pilots to misjudge the landing?
And if it's just(?) money concerned, what would you estimate the cost for, let's say, an engine repair of an airliner? (Would it be more than I earn for a decade?)
a collision with a airliner with a model plane could easily cause tens of thousands in damage.
03-08-2013, 08:40 AM
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RE: Alright, who was it?
If U draw a line from the thresh hold of 31R @ KJFK on the center line of the runwauy at 3 miles @ 1041 MSL U are over the SE Edge of a golf course. At 5 miles U are over what's called 3 Cornered Hassock a marsh,@ about1677 MSL. Then under the FAF Final Approach Fix for ILS 31R at ZULAB Intersection 5.7 NM @ 1900' Msl your over the Eastern shore line of Harbor Isle ... Now subtract 49' the TCH the Threshold Crossing Height from the MSL altitudes and U have the verious heights above Ground Level AGL at the distances. ... Now just where did that Itiallia Capetian say he saw this Quad Copter?
ILS or LOC RWY 31 (JFK)
https://www.duat.com/graphics/TPP/IA...ar2013_%29.pdf
03-08-2013, 08:44 AM
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RE: Alright, who was it?
ORIGINAL: ira d
There are vital sensors on the outside of a plane such as airspeed but they are redundant and a failiure is not likely to cause a crash. However
a collision with a airliner with a model plane could easily cause tens of thousands in damage.
ORIGINAL: SBS_Pilot
Every political and regulatory issue aside, what is the worst case scenario if an airliner hits a model aircraft (whether it's a FPV, glider, F3A, etc) of reasonable size, let's say less then 4 kg?
I guess it could inflict very, very expensive damage to an engine, but is there any way at all it could cause a crash? Is a sudden loss of an engine on the final more than the plane-pilot-combination can handle? Is there any vital instruments or sensors outside an airliner that could be harmed in a collision and then cause the pilots to misjudge the landing?
And if it's just(?) money concerned, what would you estimate the cost for, let's say, an engine repair of an airliner? (Would it be more than I earn for a decade?)
Every political and regulatory issue aside, what is the worst case scenario if an airliner hits a model aircraft (whether it's a FPV, glider, F3A, etc) of reasonable size, let's say less then 4 kg?
I guess it could inflict very, very expensive damage to an engine, but is there any way at all it could cause a crash? Is a sudden loss of an engine on the final more than the plane-pilot-combination can handle? Is there any vital instruments or sensors outside an airliner that could be harmed in a collision and then cause the pilots to misjudge the landing?
And if it's just(?) money concerned, what would you estimate the cost for, let's say, an engine repair of an airliner? (Would it be more than I earn for a decade?)
a collision with a airliner with a model plane could easily cause tens of thousands in damage.
03-08-2013, 09:03 AM
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ORIGINAL: HoundDog
I'll bet I know whose Quad it was. 2 weeks ago or so we had a guy at the Arizona Model Aviators Field have one just fly away on it's own ... he said it had a big battery.
Sorry - Names Omitted to protect the Guilty.
I'll bet I know whose Quad it was. 2 weeks ago or so we had a guy at the Arizona Model Aviators Field have one just fly away on it's own ... he said it had a big battery.
Sorry - Names Omitted to protect the Guilty.
That would also explain these reported UFO crop markings in Kansas as it made it's way from AZ.