Eletronic engine syncronizer **SUPPORT **
I am FINALLY ready for the twinsync...Ok, got it installed (using DX-7) in a 80" CL-415, ready to bench test everything at the field...I have a question as to how to set up the rudder steering ala float planes and non-steerable nose wheels...It is probably something REALLY simple and that is exactly why I can't seem to figure it out is that I am REALLY simple...Thanks for any help with this...Kevin Dube' in Denver, Colorado USA
http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/ns/ma...ync_manual.pdf
Selector Switch Position 6:
This is the mode where the use and function of an Auxiliary channel (AUX CH) is defined.
The LEDs display the mode the device is in when in this programming mode.
The following table allows the user to determine what mode you are in:
Red Yellow Yellow
ON ON ON 1. AUX CH not USED – Glow plugs based on RPM
ON ON OFF 2. Independent Run Up Mode – Glow plugs based onRPM
ON OFF ON 3. AUX CH turns sync on and off – Glow plugs via RPM
ON OFF OFF4. Rudder steering of throttles – Glow plugs based on RPM
OFFON ON 5. AUX channel controls GLOW PLUGS (default)
OFF ON OFF 6. No dead stick detection w/AUX controlling glow plugs
You wil have mode 4...so the red led must be on, and the yellow leds must be off.
Just push the buttons until the leds are on the mode you want.
Hi Guys
here is a link to my B26 Marauder with Twin syncI think I got it righthope to maiden by end of August
http://youtu.be/myns6vhKg7Q
Ron
As stated in previous posts- key is setting everything up mechanically matching engine RPMs at both idle and max throttle as close as possible before engaging and setting twinsync.
First Flight- Ziroli P-38 with twin DA-60s turning 22-10 3 blade props, no engine bench time!
http://youtu.be/3iJgWHas64Q
Looking forrward to this weekend when I can retract the gear and open up the throttles past 1/2.
1. Add more distance between RPM sensor wire and ignition, ignition battery, spark plug wire, plug boot, and engine case
2. Must have metal braid shielded plug wire and metal grounded spark plug boot
3. Copper foil tape wrapped arround the ignition, spark plug wire and boot grounded to ignition battery minus.
4. Coper foil tape wrapped arround RPM sensor wire grounded to Rx battery minus
I have just finished my ziroli p38 with the twinsync and i'm having some syncin issues. I have made a video so you can listen to the sound. It seems one engine is running higher rpm for a while than the other when moving the trottle. With the throttle at the same position the engines seem to sync. Could this be relatee to the timing you think? How can i adjust the timing with the selector in pos.4? Witch button to press? The engines are dle55 gassers and are individually tuned first and setup with the same mechanical linkages and normal multiplex karbonite servos. The engines seem to pick and sync up fine on the ground...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq9l-mGdG1I
Greetings Ronald.
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Thanks P51Tom
ON OFF ON 3. AUX CH turns sync on and off
Now you can turn the twin sync on or off with a switch on your transmitter.
I always use setting 2. .. ON ON OFF 2. Independent Run Up Mod
then you can operate the left engine, right engine...or sync them with a 3 way switch....works great,
good luck,
sometimes i have the following problem :
(this happens only to my esm tigercat and never to my esm bf 110.)
when i set the throttle to any point below half throttle, twinsync doesnt sychronize the engines immediately (it seems to hezitate a little) and when it manages to do the synchronization then a few second later twin sync starts to reduce or to increase rpms on both engines all by it self( althougt i dont change my throttle setting, twin sync starts to reduce or increase engine rpms on both engines all alone!!)
please help!
sometimes i have the following problem :
(this happens only to my esm tigercat and never to my esm bf 110.)
when i set the throttle to any point below half throttle, twinsync doesnt sychronize the engines immediately (it seems to hezitate a little) and when it manages to do the synchronization then a few second later twin sync starts to reduce or to increase rpms on both engines all by it self( althougt i dont change my throttle setting, twin sync starts to reduce or increase engine rpms on both engines all alone!!)
please help!
Maybe this will help.
I have just finished and flown my new ESM B-25. It has a pair of ASP 180 4c engines fitted that I have converted to spark ignition. It is still running on glow fuel NOT PETROL.
Back on page 35 (posting #853 & 854) there were 2 questions ask that never got replied to. I have read all 40 pages so I know this is a fact.
Anyway - My friend Stoat has now passed away so I can't ask if he ever got his problem sorted out.
Here is the issue.
You have your tx throttle set to a position (any position) let's say full power for an example.
Over the space of a minute or so - the twin sync slowly pulls the engines back in revs.
A slight movement of the tx throttle will immediately cause the engines to revert back to the full power setting only to creep back towards idle again.
For my first few flights I ended up flying this big bird like a sport plane. You know - mash the throttle in the turns and ease back on the straights.
I have tried all the different servo response settings. NON made the problem disappear. Most settings made it worse. The fastest response time had it back to the sync point in 15 seconds. The tx stick is still at max power position.
Before any one says, check your mechanical throws and tuning, let me add this.
I used the aux channel to be able to disengage the twin sync while airbourne. The model flew with superb manners and it was difficult to tell that the sync was actually turned off.
So - any helpful suggestions? In my own mind it appears to be a dead band issue. If the throttle of the slower engine does not advance slightly and the faster engine pulls back,
then the result will be an ever decaying throttle curve towards the point where the sync turns on/off. In my case - this is about 2500 revs.
The servos used for the throttle are Futaba 3004's I am going to swap them out for some that have much more torque to see if this changes the symptoms any.
I will post again once I have flown with other servos to let you know my findings.
Happy flying.
Regards from the Kiwi Bandit.
I have just finished and flown my new ESM B-25. It has a pair of ASP 180 4c engines fitted that I have converted to spark ignition. It is still running on glow fuel NOT PETROL.
Back on page 35 (posting #853 & 854) there were 2 questions ask that never got replied to. I have read all 40 pages so I know this is a fact.
Anyway - My friend Stoat has now passed away so I can't ask if he ever got his problem sorted out.
Here is the issue.
You have your tx throttle set to a position (any position) let's say full power for an example.
Over the space of a minute or so - the twin sync slowly pulls the engines back in revs.
A slight movement of the tx throttle will immediately cause the engines to revert back to the full power setting only to creep back towards idle again.
For my first few flights I ended up flying this big bird like a sport plane. You know - mash the throttle in the turns and ease back on the straights.
I have tried all the different servo response settings. NON made the problem disappear. Most settings made it worse. The fastest response time had it back to the sync point in 15 seconds. The tx stick is still at max power position.
Before any one says, check your mechanical throws and tuning, let me add this.
I used the aux channel to be able to disengage the twin sync while airbourne. The model flew with superb manners and it was difficult to tell that the sync was actually turned off.
So - any helpful suggestions? In my own mind it appears to be a dead band issue. If the throttle of the slower engine does not advance slightly and the faster engine pulls back,
then the result will be an ever decaying throttle curve towards the point where the sync turns on/off. In my case - this is about 2500 revs.
The servos used for the throttle are Futaba 3004's I am going to swap them out for some that have much more torque to see if this changes the symptoms any.
I will post again once I have flown with other servos to let you know my findings.
Happy flying.
Regards from the Kiwi Bandit.
Hi Kiwi Bandit!
i have an ESM BF 110 and an ESM TIGERCAT which i dont fly very often , i could say, at about 10 or 12 times the year each one. i have twinsync on both of them. As far as ESM BF 110 , twin sync works fine!...as far as ESM TIGERCAT ,,i have the same problem as you! the only difference between them is that i have different servos. In my BF 110 i have hextronik 10k and in my TIGERCAT i have towerpro( if thats the correct brand name). that problem really makes the landings difficult because i cannot adjust my throttle where i want during approach and generally speaking TIGERCAT is a difficult heavy plane to fly. i have other projects going on thats why i havent changed servos yet in my TIGERCAT, which might be a possible solution to our problem. I am really intrested in your findings , please let me know as soon as you put the new servos..
Regards from dgiatr.
Last edited by dgiatr; 02-09-2015 at 10:39 PM.
I have just finished and flown my new ESM B-25. It has a pair of ASP 180 4c engines fitted that I have converted to spark ignition. It is still running on glow fuel NOT PETROL.
Back on page 35 (posting #853 & 854) there were 2 questions ask that never got replied to. I have read all 40 pages so I know this is a fact.
Anyway - My friend Stoat has now passed away so I can't ask if he ever got his problem sorted out.
Here is the issue.
You have your tx throttle set to a position (any position) let's say full power for an example.
Over the space of a minute or so - the twin sync slowly pulls the engines back in revs.
A slight movement of the tx throttle will immediately cause the engines to revert back to the full power setting only to creep back towards idle again.
For my first few flights I ended up flying this big bird like a sport plane. You know - mash the throttle in the turns and ease back on the straights.
I have tried all the different servo response settings. NON made the problem disappear. Most settings made it worse. The fastest response time had it back to the sync point in 15 seconds. The tx stick is still at max power position.
Before any one says, check your mechanical throws and tuning, let me add this.
I used the aux channel to be able to disengage the twin sync while airbourne. The model flew with superb manners and it was difficult to tell that the sync was actually turned off.
So - any helpful suggestions? In my own mind it appears to be a dead band issue. If the throttle of the slower engine does not advance slightly and the faster engine pulls back,
then the result will be an ever decaying throttle curve towards the point where the sync turns on/off. In my case - this is about 2500 revs.
The servos used for the throttle are Futaba 3004's I am going to swap them out for some that have much more torque to see if this changes the symptoms any.
I will post again once I have flown with other servos to let you know my findings.
Happy flying.
Regards from the Kiwi Bandit.
I have had something simular on My ziroli p38. On full throttle the engines would revert to idle. This was due to the fact that one engine was running lean. Test full throttle on each individual engine and see if each engine keeps running at full throttle if running alone.
Ronald
Thank you for your input. I am a small engine specialist by trade and tuning engines is in my blood. As I said in my earlier post - both engines run perfectly fine while in the air if I switch OFF the twin sync. Tuning is not the issue in this case.
Ps: A lean engine tends to run a little faster than a correctly tuned one. That is until it overheats and starts to sag.
Very interesting about your two cases. As it turns out - the pair of servos that I have to swap out with my Futaba 3004's are Hextronic 12k. I think they are around the 10Kg/cm range in torque. I will let you know how I get on.
The Kiwi Bandit.
Very interesting about your two cases. As it turns out - the pair of servos that I have to swap out with my Futaba 3004's are Hextronic 12k. I think they are around the 10Kg/cm range in torque. I will let you know how I get on.
The Kiwi Bandit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtpPh2o7DcY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjqOE6T3sSQ
One other item. Do you have the latest firmware version of TwinSync which was sold through TBM. Unfortunately, Down&locked told me there is no way to know which firmware version I have.
I was told that if I could sent in 3 units they would update them to the latest firmware at $75 each. If someone else wants to do this with me let me know. Only need one more unit to do this.
Is this causing the rollback problem. No idea since I do not know what the firmware update fixes. The only way I would think the engines would roll back is that one engine is low so it rolls back the high rpm engine. Then later it sees the other high and rolls back again.
Did you set the high, mid and low points in the Twinsync? Might do this if you haven't already.
Top Flite B-25 with two OS 4C 81ci engines. Had quite a difficult time getting Twinsync setup to run properly but works now. Also using the Twinsync onboard glow system with it.
Last edited by skubacb; 02-11-2015 at 11:21 AM.