hobbyflyer09

does anybody know where i could find or get a manual for a turnigy c6364-230 electric motor

DrMotor

Hello hobbyflyer09:
Not sure these motors ever had a manual.
All Turnigy C-type motors were made by theXingyaohua factory -usually called XYH -http://en.xingyaohua.com/html/class/212.html
See: http://en.xingyaohua.com/html/play/412.html for the datasheet includingthe C 6364 motor.

These XYH motors are sold by a great many vendors, under tens and tens of different brand names.
see:http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11426913-the sectionhalf way down on "XYH, EMP, Electric Model Power"
There is a large amount of information on the internet about these motors.

Do a google search for "XYH 6364" or "EMP 6364" or "Turnigy 6364" and you will get lots of info.
What exactly do you want to know ...?

hobbyflyer09

well i have a giant you can do 3d that i just bought. it has the turnigy in it and the guy threw in a red brick 100 amp esc that can handle a 2-7 cell lipo battery. the motor already has a 20x8 turnigy prop on it. this is my first electric plane that i have to chose a set up i have some parkzone planes. the main thing i want to know is will the esc work with this motor i think i need like a 10 cell battery and what size of prop is the right one.

DrMotor

Hello hobbyflyer09: It seems you have a few issues here:

1. The motor: It is an XYH / EMP C 6364 / 10 motor Also see: http://www.giantshark.co.uk/xyh6364-...-p-404967.html for more info.
I presume you also looked at the motor datasheet I gave the link for, in post #2.
This shows that the motor can use between 4-10 LiPo. It quotes prop sizes between 20x10 and 22x8.
It shows the motor can handle up to 2600W of power.
It suggests that at least a 90A ESC should be used.
The Giant Shark link given here, suggests that the motor can handle upto at least 70A of current.

2. So the prop you have, seems in the right ball park for this motor.

3. The ESC: Is a HobbyKing Red Brick 100A ESC (Opto) - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ESC_Opto_.html
The issue you have here is that this ESC can only handle up to 7 LiPo cells.
So the ESC will (almost certainly) work with the motor, but cannot handle 10 cells.
Also, I presume it is OPTO -so you will need to provide another 2nd LiPo to power the Rx and servos.
(The user comments on HK website are generally positive about this ESC)

4. So you do not need a 10 cell battery -the maximum you can use with this set-up is a 7 cell LiPo.

5. If you look at various info on internet, you will probably find lots of info about number of LiPo cells and the props used for this motor.

Hope this helps. Dr M

hobbyflyer09

alright i think i understand what i need to do. but one more question if a motor can take a 10 cell battery and you only use a 7 cell will it be under powered and effect flight times.

DrMotor

Interesting question. I carried out a quick simulation on DriveCalc. There is a Dymond 6364 290Kv motor on there, and I modified this to 230Kv. Results are shown below.

a. First, shows the motor with 10S LiPo (37V) and a 20x8 prop.
It draws a current of 57.3A, has input power 2121W; prop has an RPM of 7010, and gives a thrust of ~9.6Kg.

b. Then shows the motor with 7S LiPo (25.9V) and the same 20x8 prop.
It now has a current of 32.2A, input power of 834.1W; prop RPM is 5265, thrust is 5.26Kg.

So:Effect of reducing the voltage from 10S to 7S LiPo, is that motor draws less current, has less prop RPM andmuch lower thrust.

c. If you are using a 7S 5000mAh LiPo, then with a current of 32.2A, the LiPo will last about 9.3 min (5Ah / 32.2A x 60min)
Whereas with a 10S 5000mAh LiPo, and with a current of 57.3A, the LiPo will last ~5.2 min

d. I see the Giant U-Can-Do weighs 12.5 - 13.5 lb ( 13.5 lb =~6.1Kg) - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=389032
So you are likely to want a thrust of much larger than 6.1Kg. My suggestion therefore, would be to dump the Red Brick ESC, get a ~100A HV ESC, and use a 10S LiPo.
That way you will get 9 and 10kg of thrust.
Turnigy dlux 120A HV OPTO ESC is only $104.95 - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ler_OPTO_.html
The 80A one is $73.58

Hope this answers your question. Dr M

hobbyflyer09

alright i think i will get a new  esc

Flypaper 2

I'm using an earlier version I think, of the same motor. The Turnigy SK 6364-230 . Two of them in use on 10 cells. two 5000 ma 5 cell Zippy Flightmax and an 80 amp Dlux and 100 amp of another make ESC. 5 amp UBEC. just under 3000 watts on a 22-8 props. Works good on this 18 lb Byron Cristen Eagle among other planes. Hope this helps.

DrMotor

Just let me say: That is not correct.
The FIRST motors to appear: Were the standard Turnigy "C aerodrive" motors, these had chrome can / gold end housings. They were all the "C-Type" motors made by the XYH-EMP factory. The C 6364 motor that hobbyflyer09 has is a C-type motor.

Then, after a few years, the Turnigy "AerodriveXp SK" motors appeared -they had black can / silver end housings. These were all "N-type" motors from the XYH-EMP factory. "N-Type" motors are a bit better quality than C-type, they have better bearings, and they are a little heavier than C-type motors.

The new Turnigy "SK3" motors that we have now, are NOTHING to do with these previous types. They are not remotely connected. The Turnigy SK3 motors are made by the Sunray Technology company, and are identical motors to: Hacker, Hyperion-Z, Extreme Flight Torque, Shulman Aviation FURY, Gens Ace, Common-Sense-RC, LiPolice, and many other brands ...

see: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11426913
and also see section here, half way down, called "XYH, EMP, Electric Model Power"

also: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11460104

Flypaper 2

That's why I said " I think"

hobbyflyer09

ok new questions would it be better to run two 5 cell packs vs. one 10 cell pack? the 5 cell packs are cheaper and if one cell goes bad its cheaper to replace a 5 cell pack. And how would you run two 5 cell packs would it just need a y-harness like you would do with servos? And then would you have to worry about amps would one 10S 5000amp pack be the same as two 5S 5000amp packs or would i need two 5S 2500amp packs?

DrMotor

hobbyflyer09: It is actually quite simple.
Get TWO 5S 5000mAh packs.
Connected in series,these are a 10S 5000mAh pack
(series =+ve ofone pack connected to -ve of the other pack.-The remaining leads give 37V (10S), and connect these leads to ESC).

Can charge each 5S pack separately, and then connect together to give 10S just before flying.
-Means you only need a 5S / 6S charger, rather than a 10S charger.

Hope this helps.

hobbyflyer09

yes it helps i think i know what i need to get to finish this plane and get it up in the air. I want to thank you DrMotor for all your help