Fly Eagle Jet F-14 Crash (video)
04-23-2013, 03:12 PM
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RECALL.... when a car company gets caught for putting a piece of crap in it comes out at their cost. you must suck at poker.
ORIGINAL: dce21b
Where is the I hold myself accountable any where in this thread?
Where is the I hold myself accountable any where in this thread?
This is exactly what is wrong with this country. No one forced you to buy their product and no one forced you to spend an insane amount of money on a hobby either. If their products have a history of questionable construction you should have either reinforced it or build/or buy a better one.
If I buy a brand new car, get a flat tire and total it into a guard rail is it the car company's fault? Or does &#$@ just happen?
As far as I am concerned this hobby is like a game of poker. In your case a high stakes poker game. Don't bring to the table what your not ready to lose.
Stop crying and get over it.
04-23-2013, 03:36 PM
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ORIGINAL: dce21b
Where is the I hold myself accountable any where in this thread?
Where is the I hold myself accountable any where in this thread?
This is exactly what is wrong with this country. No one forced you to buy their product and no one forced you to spend an insane amount of money on a hobby either. If their products have a history of questionable construction you should have either reinforced it or build/or buy a better one.
If I buy a brand new car, get a flat tire and total it into a guard rail is it the car company's fault? Or does &#$@ just happen?
As far as I am concerned this hobby is like a game of poker. In your case a high stakes poker game. Don't bring to the table what your not ready to lose.
Stop crying and get over it.
BTW Dantly is not crying just trying to warn others.
Most of the people that have flyeagle planes are people just getting into jets and want something cheap and have no clue they are buying a static model.
04-23-2013, 03:40 PM
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Fej needs to be held accountable for design flaws if they are not going to have better customer support and repair addendums. I am one of those left with an F-14 that is going to require the entire rear section to be rebuilt. This may involve splitting the stabs to reinforce the pivot point or moving it to the proper location to avoid flutter from a faulty design. People may be on the fence about a jet purchase and I commend Dubd for sticking to his guns and continuing the pressure to hopefully get fej to change its approach. Fej could stop this with good communication and action to fix the problems!!
04-23-2013, 04:08 PM
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ORIGINAL: dce21b
Where is the I hold myself accountable any where in this thread?
Where is the I hold myself accountable any where in this thread?
This is exactly what is wrong with this country. No one forced you to buy their product and no one forced you to spend an insane amount of money on a hobby either. If their products have a history of questionable construction you should have either reinforced it or build/or buy a better one.
If I buy a brand new car, get a flat tire and total it into a guard rail is it the car company's fault? Or does &#$@ just happen?
As far as I am concerned this hobby is like a game of poker. In your case a high stakes poker game. Don't bring to the table what your not ready to lose.
Stop crying and get over it.
The flutter that lead to his jet crashing cannot be compared to getting a flat tire and driving off the road. Flutter is the result of a serious design and structural flaw/faliure. So, flutter can be compared to the gas pedal of a car getting stuck while the brakes and steering also fail. The car goes out of control, crashes, and there isn't a damned thing the driver could have done. So that would be the companies fault, right? Same thing here.
This is not a case of $%it happens. This is a case of manufacturer defect and wilfull deceit.
04-23-2013, 06:07 PM
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Seriously though... is it not possible to make your own air frame for jets? Or are you just not into that aspect of the hobby. Which I get some are builders some are flyers some excel at both.
04-23-2013, 06:08 PM
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If you are going to use a car 'analogy' then the proper one to use would be where a car manufacturer makes a car which goes into full production and is found to have one or more major flaws, flaws that would put the owner/driver and/or folks out in the public at risk of injury or death.
When this happens the car manufacturer can either 'voluntarily' recall said car and make the necessary design changes or have good ole Uncle Sam force him to do so.
Either way the car manufacturer bears all the costs associated with the recall/fix, up to and including total replacement of the vehicle.
And if there is in fact an accident as a result of the flaw then all costs associated with the accident become the responsibility of the car manufacturer
Apply this case to the F-14 and dubd should be looking at a minimum of a new airframe for his troubles.
All other manufacturer's would be held to the same level of responsibility
When this happens the car manufacturer can either 'voluntarily' recall said car and make the necessary design changes or have good ole Uncle Sam force him to do so.
Either way the car manufacturer bears all the costs associated with the recall/fix, up to and including total replacement of the vehicle.
And if there is in fact an accident as a result of the flaw then all costs associated with the accident become the responsibility of the car manufacturer
Apply this case to the F-14 and dubd should be looking at a minimum of a new airframe for his troubles.
All other manufacturer's would be held to the same level of responsibility
04-23-2013, 06:13 PM
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Whatever... you'd probably be better off trying to get a refund from a hooker\
they could easily defend themselves by saying that the structure is fine and passed some made up test and say you have no proof saying that you weren't the cause of the failure
they could easily defend themselves by saying that the structure is fine and passed some made up test and say you have no proof saying that you weren't the cause of the failure
04-23-2013, 06:32 PM
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they could easily defend themselves by saying that the structure is fine and passed some made up test
they could easily defend themselves by saying that the structure is fine and passed some made up test
Uhh.... don't look now....
04-23-2013, 06:33 PM
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I had one of the early FEJ 1:5.5 scale F-16 models. Paid about $3000.00 for it directly from FEJ. It crashed on the second flight when the left elevator failed in flight. The plane corkscrewed into the ground and exploded into a huge fireball. Total loss. I was very lucky that no one was hurt. I too contacted FEJ to explain what had happened and that I felt there was a serious design flaw that needed to be addressed. I did not ask anything more of FEJ than to look into and correct a problem. The only response I got was an offer of a new plane at a discount. I did not want another plane from FEJ. It does not appear FEJ is responsive to problems with their products regardless the circumstances. I took my business elsewhere. I recommend that others do the same.
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04-23-2013, 06:43 PM
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Terry,
I wonder how many guys are out there just like yourself. Guys that probably even quit the hobby.
It doesn't sound like anything has changed in the last 2-3 years.
Sorry to hear about your crash.
Thanks for telling us your experience so that others can learn from it.
Scott
I wonder how many guys are out there just like yourself. Guys that probably even quit the hobby.
It doesn't sound like anything has changed in the last 2-3 years.
Sorry to hear about your crash.
Thanks for telling us your experience so that others can learn from it.
Scott
04-23-2013, 06:56 PM
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I had one of the early FEJ 1:5.5 scale F-16 models. Paid about $3000.00 for it directly from FEJ. It crashed on the second flight when the left elevator failed in flight. The plane corkscrewed into the ground and exploded into a huge fireball. Total loss. I was very lucky that no one was hurt. I too contacted FEJ to explain what had happened and that I felt there was a serious design flaw that needed to be addressed. I did not ask anything more of FEJ than to look into and correct a problem. The only response I got was an offer of a new plane at a discount. I did not want another plane from FEJ. It does not appear FEJ is responsive to problems with their products regardless the circumstances. I took my business elsewhere. I recommend that others do the same.
Terry Jacobs
I had one of the early FEJ 1:5.5 scale F-16 models. Paid about $3000.00 for it directly from FEJ. It crashed on the second flight when the left elevator failed in flight. The plane corkscrewed into the ground and exploded into a huge fireball. Total loss. I was very lucky that no one was hurt. I too contacted FEJ to explain what had happened and that I felt there was a serious design flaw that needed to be addressed. I did not ask anything more of FEJ than to look into and correct a problem. The only response I got was an offer of a new plane at a discount. I did not want another plane from FEJ. It does not appear FEJ is responsive to problems with their products regardless the circumstances. I took my business elsewhere. I recommend that others do the same.
Terry Jacobs
(THIS post is the very definition of sarcasm)
04-23-2013, 09:39 PM
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This may involve splitting the stabs to reinforce the pivot point or moving it to the proper location to avoid flutter from a faulty design.
This may involve splitting the stabs to reinforce the pivot point or moving it to the proper location to avoid flutter from a faulty design.
has flutter. Of course it can`t be like that, accepting it, but now that you have this 20k model you can easily fix the main problem which is the cause of this thread.
04-23-2013, 09:41 PM
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It is.
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Wish i had 20g to blow on a toy... must be nice.
Wish i had 20g to blow on a toy... must be nice.
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04-24-2013, 12:56 AM
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Use one hour of your time to fix it, it will make the elevators ok. As i understand it, there is one down because of flutter, and not all of them
has flutter. Of course it can`t be like that, accepting it, but now that you have this 20k model you can easily fix the main problem which is the cause of this thread.
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This may involve splitting the stabs to reinforce the pivot point or moving it to the proper location to avoid flutter from a faulty design.
This may involve splitting the stabs to reinforce the pivot point or moving it to the proper location to avoid flutter from a faulty design.
has flutter. Of course it can`t be like that, accepting it, but now that you have this 20k model you can easily fix the main problem which is the cause of this thread.
Secondly, the quality control is non-existent. So, some stabs will be built worse than others.
Third, most people are buying these jets mostly because they are fully painted, and the manufacturer claims all that is needed is basic assembly of the parts supplied. And they somehow trust that the manufacturer built the jet correctly. Therefore, the buyer will not, nor will the buyer expect to take the whole jet apart to make sure it is built correctly, and has glue in ALL the right places. These companies are notorious for not gluing ribs to the wing and stab skins. That alone weakens the structure, and will cause flutter even at low to moderate speeds.
Your proposal to spend some time fixing all that is wrong with these jets will require the buyer to take apart the jet, and completely rebuild it the correct way. That would be worse than buying a kit. It would also take many months to accomplish.
These jets are not built to airworthy standards, yet the manufacturer advertises their jets to be just that. These companies are claiming their jets are ready for flight as built and designed by them. That is a lie. The jets are poorly built, with inadequate materials, inadequate design, inadequate craftsmanship, and absolutely no real engineering to ensure the jet is structurally sound or airworthy. Most of the time, these jets are a total nightmare to assemble because the parts don't fit correctly, or are not glued correctly. All that the jet has is a pretty paint job! Unfortunately, that is the lure to buying these jets.
04-24-2013, 04:29 AM
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ORIGINAL: dce21b
Where is the I hold myself accountable any where in this thread?
Where is the I hold myself accountable any where in this thread?
This is exactly what is wrong with this country. No one forced you to buy their product and no one forced you to spend an insane amount of money on a hobby either. If their products have a history of questionable construction you should have either reinforced it or build/or buy a better one.
If I buy a brand new car, get a flat tire and total it into a guard rail is it the car company's fault? Or does &#$@ just happen?
As far as I am concerned this hobby is like a game of poker. In your case a high stakes poker game. Don't bring to the table what your not ready to lose.
Stop crying and get over it.
If a company puts out a defective product they need to stand behind them and respond to incidents like this. This is why I fly BVM jets!!
When i owned R.A.Microjets, RAM, we received a batch of defective turbine wheels from the casting company. They had supposedly done all the testing we asked but obviously they had not. A few wheels came apart while running them. I believe it only happened to two customers out of the hundreds we had already shipped. We did the right thing, we recalled all of them at our expense and replaced the wheels. That was the right thing to do.
The problem with FEJ is that no two planes are built the same and there is no QC.
When we go out and fly our $20K jets, yes I have a few, we are prepared to lose it but it is very frustrating when it was not your fault.
04-24-2013, 05:19 AM
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Raise your hand if none of you had heard the romours, knew anything about poor or variable quality, underpaid workers, never thought "I hope I`m lucky with it when it comes". Whom of you can say that without fingers crossed? Nobody....
This particular model was most probably a up-scaled model of a smaller one without any aerodynamical adjustments.
And this is down to the point, when model are this big, fast & heavy, other variables starts ticking in, especially on all flying elevators..
They didn`t know, and most likely the pilots didn`t either! But now you do! Infact there are very very few individuals sitting on the knowhow!
The smaller one had few or no problems, but it had to come as we now know.
I wouldn`t hesitate to buy the F-14 today if I had the money and liked the Tomcat better than the Falcon.
And the difference between me and those with a soar throat here, is that I would fixed it before it flew, now that we know.
And I could bet another thread had started when you all realised the reason why it stopped fluttering, out of the box...oh yes..
It was balanced, heeelp! This is a too easy fix etc etc. It still would be a poor design despite the fact, it flys great! Infact an awsome flight!
Five years ago, I designed and developed a competition sailplane for RCRCM.com, I had contact in a daily basis for over a year.
This way I came under the skin and learned alot about the industry, way of thinking etc. They are different from the West, everything else there is too. Their biggest problem is the employees to stay at the plant. They disappear without a warning, and the factory have to pick another guy or girl from the street. A deasent salary would be a big improvement.
Skymaster is the company I rely the most in, they answer and thrive to meet the customers wish, my contact with FEJ is just about my plane to come, but have been fairly good. ETA and promised arrival is two worlds apart though.
But I give them the chance to adjust, and it seemed to help.
Well guys, I intend not to spend more calories on this, just hope I opened the eyes on some of you. How to make your model safer, a good use of your pressous time.
Good luck.. (!!)
This particular model was most probably a up-scaled model of a smaller one without any aerodynamical adjustments.
And this is down to the point, when model are this big, fast & heavy, other variables starts ticking in, especially on all flying elevators..
They didn`t know, and most likely the pilots didn`t either! But now you do! Infact there are very very few individuals sitting on the knowhow!
The smaller one had few or no problems, but it had to come as we now know.
I wouldn`t hesitate to buy the F-14 today if I had the money and liked the Tomcat better than the Falcon.
And the difference between me and those with a soar throat here, is that I would fixed it before it flew, now that we know.
And I could bet another thread had started when you all realised the reason why it stopped fluttering, out of the box...oh yes..
It was balanced, heeelp! This is a too easy fix etc etc. It still would be a poor design despite the fact, it flys great! Infact an awsome flight!
Five years ago, I designed and developed a competition sailplane for RCRCM.com, I had contact in a daily basis for over a year.
This way I came under the skin and learned alot about the industry, way of thinking etc. They are different from the West, everything else there is too. Their biggest problem is the employees to stay at the plant. They disappear without a warning, and the factory have to pick another guy or girl from the street. A deasent salary would be a big improvement.
Skymaster is the company I rely the most in, they answer and thrive to meet the customers wish, my contact with FEJ is just about my plane to come, but have been fairly good. ETA and promised arrival is two worlds apart though.
But I give them the chance to adjust, and it seemed to help.
Well guys, I intend not to spend more calories on this, just hope I opened the eyes on some of you. How to make your model safer, a good use of your pressous time.
Good luck.. (!!)
04-24-2013, 05:26 AM
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Raise your hand if none of you had heard the romours, knew anything about poor or variable quality, underpaid workers, never thought ''I hope I`m lucky with it when it comes''. Whom of you can say that without fingers crossed? Nobody....
This particular model was most probably a up-scaled model of a smaller one without any aerodynamical adjustments.
And this is down to the point, when model are this big, fast & heavy, other variables starts ticking in, especially on all flying elevators..
They didn`t know, and most likely the pilots didn`t either! But now you do! Infact there are very very few individuals sitting on the knowhow!
The smaller one had few or no problems, but it had to come as we now know.
I wouldn`t hesitate to buy the F-14 today if I had the money and liked the Tomcat better than the Falcon.
And the difference between me and those with a soar throat here, is that I would fixed it before it flew, now that we know.
And I could bet another thread had started when you all realised the reason why it stopped fluttering, out of the box...oh yes..
It was balanced, heeelp! This is a too easy fix etc etc. It still would be a poor design despite the fact, it flys great! Infact an awsome flight!
Five years ago, I designed and developed a competition sailplane for RCRCM.com, I had contact in a daily basis for over a year.
This way I came under the skin and learned alot about the industry, way of thinking etc. They are different from the West, everything else there is too. Their biggest problem is the employees to stay at the plant. They disappear without a warning, and the factory have to pick another guy or girl from the street. A deasent salary would be a big improvement.
Skymaster is the company I rely the most in, they answer and thrive to meet the customers wish, my contact with FEJ is just about my plane to come, but have been fairly good. ETA and promised arrival is two worlds apart though.
But I give them the chance to adjust, and it seemed to help.
Well guys, I intend not to spend more calories on this, just hope I opened the eyes on some of you. How to make your model safer, a good use of your pressous time.
Good luck.. (!!)
Raise your hand if none of you had heard the romours, knew anything about poor or variable quality, underpaid workers, never thought ''I hope I`m lucky with it when it comes''. Whom of you can say that without fingers crossed? Nobody....
This particular model was most probably a up-scaled model of a smaller one without any aerodynamical adjustments.
And this is down to the point, when model are this big, fast & heavy, other variables starts ticking in, especially on all flying elevators..
They didn`t know, and most likely the pilots didn`t either! But now you do! Infact there are very very few individuals sitting on the knowhow!
The smaller one had few or no problems, but it had to come as we now know.
I wouldn`t hesitate to buy the F-14 today if I had the money and liked the Tomcat better than the Falcon.
And the difference between me and those with a soar throat here, is that I would fixed it before it flew, now that we know.
And I could bet another thread had started when you all realised the reason why it stopped fluttering, out of the box...oh yes..
It was balanced, heeelp! This is a too easy fix etc etc. It still would be a poor design despite the fact, it flys great! Infact an awsome flight!
Five years ago, I designed and developed a competition sailplane for RCRCM.com, I had contact in a daily basis for over a year.
This way I came under the skin and learned alot about the industry, way of thinking etc. They are different from the West, everything else there is too. Their biggest problem is the employees to stay at the plant. They disappear without a warning, and the factory have to pick another guy or girl from the street. A deasent salary would be a big improvement.
Skymaster is the company I rely the most in, they answer and thrive to meet the customers wish, my contact with FEJ is just about my plane to come, but have been fairly good. ETA and promised arrival is two worlds apart though.
But I give them the chance to adjust, and it seemed to help.
Well guys, I intend not to spend more calories on this, just hope I opened the eyes on some of you. How to make your model safer, a good use of your pressous time.
Good luck.. (!!)
Lol, you likecthe falcon more, but have a Tomcat as your avatar picture. Lol. How ironic
, irony is a good thing 
04-24-2013, 06:52 AM
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Wouldnt it be ironic for a $20k plane to come crashing down on your property?
After all this isn't the issue clear yet? Its not about balancing stabs or re-engineering poorly made airframes... its getting manufacturers to provide us planes that meet safe construction and aero standards.... With properly engineered hinge points and properly tested airframces for structural integrity... This isnt a negotiable requirement i believe.
Perhaps Dubd can chime in again.... but all he's asking for is not to misrepresent facts about a plane he poured hard earned cash into.... put yourself in his place....
I'm not an aero-engineer... but i dont need to be to know that if i pay X'000's of hard earned cash on a plane... it better be safe to fly without me worrying if it will break up and causing me Thousands more in third party liability....
After all this isn't the issue clear yet? Its not about balancing stabs or re-engineering poorly made airframes... its getting manufacturers to provide us planes that meet safe construction and aero standards.... With properly engineered hinge points and properly tested airframces for structural integrity... This isnt a negotiable requirement i believe.
Perhaps Dubd can chime in again.... but all he's asking for is not to misrepresent facts about a plane he poured hard earned cash into.... put yourself in his place....
I'm not an aero-engineer... but i dont need to be to know that if i pay X'000's of hard earned cash on a plane... it better be safe to fly without me worrying if it will break up and causing me Thousands more in third party liability....
04-24-2013, 07:36 AM
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Of course, Rush..
But we will never have planes developed by aeronautical engeneers.
They will contiue to be a product of experienced modellers. Their advices to the factory..
But we will never have planes developed by aeronautical engeneers.
They will contiue to be a product of experienced modellers. Their advices to the factory..