Performance Aircraft Unlimited - Are you kidding me...you can't be seriuos
04-29-2013, 11:12 AM
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RE: Performance Aircraft Unlimited - Are you kidding me...you can't be seriuos
ORIGINAL: wahoo
Hog ...I'll sum this up the easiest way I can.
I install floor coverings for a living, not only does my customer service need to be triple A but also know that I work IN the CUSTOMERS home.
The reason I tell you this info is because rc planes as well as flooring wear out and need occasional maintenance.
In my chosen occupation reputation and word of mouth holds quite a bit of weight when it comes to future work.
Now lets just say for the sake of arguement that someone calls me up because some of their carpet is loose and needs re-stretched.
They tell me the dimensions of the room and I quote them a price, THEN I ask them who installed it initially and it wasn't me.
Now do I tell them ''SORRY get the original store/installer to correct the issue'', OR do I go ahead and do the job to the best of my ability ??
I shun them and I can GUARENTEE YOU when the time comes for them to replace or add any future flooring I will be last on the list they call.
On the other hand if I agree to do the work I may be the one they call for future flooring needs.
Can't explain my point of view any clearer than that.
Hog ...I'll sum this up the easiest way I can.
I install floor coverings for a living, not only does my customer service need to be triple A but also know that I work IN the CUSTOMERS home.
The reason I tell you this info is because rc planes as well as flooring wear out and need occasional maintenance.
In my chosen occupation reputation and word of mouth holds quite a bit of weight when it comes to future work.
Now lets just say for the sake of arguement that someone calls me up because some of their carpet is loose and needs re-stretched.
They tell me the dimensions of the room and I quote them a price, THEN I ask them who installed it initially and it wasn't me.
Now do I tell them ''SORRY get the original store/installer to correct the issue'', OR do I go ahead and do the job to the best of my ability ??
I shun them and I can GUARENTEE YOU when the time comes for them to replace or add any future flooring I will be last on the list they call.
On the other hand if I agree to do the work I may be the one they call for future flooring needs.
Can't explain my point of view any clearer than that.
PS , I also gave Wahoo's post 5 stars like I did RC Ken's , since both deserved it ......
04-29-2013, 11:12 AM
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RE: Performance Aircraft Unlimited - Are you kidding me...you can't be seriuos
No, you're just throwing anything out there in an attempt to damage PAU's reputation. Reading between the lines to make up your own facts, I think people can see right through that.
04-29-2013, 11:13 AM
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I was hoping for a little more open interaction, like maybe some direct answers to the questions I posed, or at least an apples-to-apples comparison, but if that's the best you can do, it's the best you can do...
Here's one last question: Do you think DA should sell a customer a piston for the customer's DLE engine?
Astro
Here's one last question: Do you think DA should sell a customer a piston for the customer's DLE engine?
Astro
04-29-2013, 11:14 AM
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RE: Performance Aircraft Unlimited - Are you kidding me...you can't be seriuos
ORIGINAL: wahoo
If PAU parts are that rare/scarce then there's a supply problem within that company that needs addressed !!
ORIGINAL: JohnVH
at what point though, is it a disservice to the existing customers?
at what point though, is it a disservice to the existing customers?
04-29-2013, 11:14 AM
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No, you're just throwing anything out there in an attempt to damage PAU's reputation. Reading between the lines to make up your own facts, I think people can see right through that.
No, you're just throwing anything out there in an attempt to damage PAU's reputation. Reading between the lines to make up your own facts, I think people can see right through that.
That's BS and you know it...what business would turn down business to accomodate it's business ? serioulsy?
Do PAU customers crash a lot or change engines like I change underwear ?
04-29-2013, 11:15 AM
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RE: Performance Aircraft Unlimited - Are you kidding me...you can't be seriuos
ORIGINAL: wahoo
That's BS and you know it...what business would turn down business to accomodate it's business ? serioulsy?
Do PAU customers crash a lot or change engines like I change underwear ?
ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons
No, you're just throwing anything out there in an attempt to damage PAU's reputation. Reading between the lines to make up your own facts, I think people can see right through that.
No, you're just throwing anything out there in an attempt to damage PAU's reputation. Reading between the lines to make up your own facts, I think people can see right through that.
That's BS and you know it...what business would turn down business to accomodate it's business ? serioulsy?
Do PAU customers crash a lot or change engines like I change underwear ?
Go to a local fly in, it doesnt matter what they fly, hahaha
04-29-2013, 11:16 AM
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Sorry it's not BS. You have demonstrated a lack of knowledge of business operations in a niche market using globally sourced manufacturing of limited runs. That isn't my problem to worry about.
04-29-2013, 11:19 AM
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Sorry it's not BS. You have demonstrated a lack of knowledge of business operations in a niche market using globally sourced manufacturing of limited runs. That isn't my problem to worry about.
Sorry it's not BS. You have demonstrated a lack of knowledge of business operations in a niche market using globally sourced manufacturing of limited runs. That isn't my problem to worry about.
04-29-2013, 11:20 AM
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RE: Performance Aircraft Unlimited - Are you kidding me...you can't be seriuos
ORIGINAL: wahoo
Limited runs = Scarce/rare...... THERE IT IS !!!!
ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons
Sorry it's not BS. You have demonstrated a lack of knowledge of business operations in a niche market using globally sourced manufacturing of limited runs. That isn't my problem to worry about.
Sorry it's not BS. You have demonstrated a lack of knowledge of business operations in a niche market using globally sourced manufacturing of limited runs. That isn't my problem to worry about.
04-29-2013, 11:21 AM
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That's correct. PAU isn't in the parts business so they don't keep an unlimited supply of spare parts. Making it even more important to save those parts for their customers. They could order tons of spare parts, which may end up sitting forever and causing the company to lose money. Stocking spare parts is a delicate balance when only a couple shipments come from the factory per year. I'm glad you're finally understanding.
04-29-2013, 11:22 AM
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RE: Performance Aircraft Unlimited - Are you kidding me...you can't be seriuos
ORIGINAL: JohnVH
You can only shove so many boxes in a container... Do you know what a container is?
ORIGINAL: wahoo
Limited runs = Scarce/rare...... THERE IT IS !!!!
ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons
Sorry it's not BS. You have demonstrated a lack of knowledge of business operations in a niche market using globally sourced manufacturing of limited runs. That isn't my problem to worry about.
Sorry it's not BS. You have demonstrated a lack of knowledge of business operations in a niche market using globally sourced manufacturing of limited runs. That isn't my problem to worry about.
04-29-2013, 11:23 AM
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RE: Performance Aircraft Unlimited - Are you kidding me...you can't be seriuos
ORIGINAL: wahoo
Sorry John nothing personal ...but now all I hear is that sound from the charlie brown cartoon...ya know it....waa waa wooo wooo blah blah blah
ORIGINAL: JohnVH
You can only shove so many boxes in a container... Do you know what a container is?
ORIGINAL: wahoo
Limited runs = Scarce/rare...... THERE IT IS !!!!
ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons
Sorry it's not BS. You have demonstrated a lack of knowledge of business operations in a niche market using globally sourced manufacturing of limited runs. That isn't my problem to worry about.
Sorry it's not BS. You have demonstrated a lack of knowledge of business operations in a niche market using globally sourced manufacturing of limited runs. That isn't my problem to worry about.
04-29-2013, 11:26 AM
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That's correct. PAU isn't in the parts business so they don't keep an unlimited supply of spare parts. Making it even more important to save those parts for their customers. They could order tons of spare parts, which may end up sitting forever and causing the company to lose money. I'm glad you're finally understanding.
That's correct. PAU isn't in the parts business so they don't keep an unlimited supply of spare parts. Making it even more important to save those parts for their customers. They could order tons of spare parts, which may end up sitting forever and causing the company to lose money. I'm glad you're finally understanding.
Listen guys I don't care who the customer is/was nor do I care who the company was...what struck me like an arrow was the lack of help if you will, Again I'm assuming butonce herve learned of the manufacturer of the plane he put up a wall and was unwilling to help the guy..any guy. That's not how I want to think we as modelers (niche) would treat each other.
04-29-2013, 11:36 AM
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RE: Performance Aircraft Unlimited - Are you kidding me...you can't be seriuos
ORIGINAL: wahoo
So why didn't herve offer to order one for the guy ?
Listen guys I don't care who the customer is/was nor do I care who the company was...what struck me like an arrow was the lack of help if you will, Again I'm assuming but once herve learned of the manufacturer of the plane he put up a wall and was unwilling to help the guy..any guy. That's not how I want to think we as modelers (niche) would treat each other.
ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons
That's correct. PAU isn't in the parts business so they don't keep an unlimited supply of spare parts. Making it even more important to save those parts for their customers. They could order tons of spare parts, which may end up sitting forever and causing the company to lose money. I'm glad you're finally understanding.
That's correct. PAU isn't in the parts business so they don't keep an unlimited supply of spare parts. Making it even more important to save those parts for their customers. They could order tons of spare parts, which may end up sitting forever and causing the company to lose money. I'm glad you're finally understanding.
Listen guys I don't care who the customer is/was nor do I care who the company was...what struck me like an arrow was the lack of help if you will, Again I'm assuming but once herve learned of the manufacturer of the plane he put up a wall and was unwilling to help the guy..any guy. That's not how I want to think we as modelers (niche) would treat each other.
04-29-2013, 11:39 AM
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RE: Performance Aircraft Unlimited - Are you kidding me...you can't be seriuos
ORIGINAL: astrohog
I was hoping for a little more open interaction, like maybe some direct answers to the questions I posed, or at least an apples-to-apples comparison, but if that's the best you can do, it's the best you can do...
Here's one last question: Do you think DA should sell a customer a piston for the customer's DLE engine?
Astro
I was hoping for a little more open interaction, like maybe some direct answers to the questions I posed, or at least an apples-to-apples comparison, but if that's the best you can do, it's the best you can do...
Here's one last question: Do you think DA should sell a customer a piston for the customer's DLE engine?
Astro
Seems like you would rather argue than debate. Care to get down to some facts and answer the hard questions, or do you just want to keep talking about cartoons?
Astro
04-29-2013, 11:51 AM
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ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons
LOL, guess what it would take to get the factory to make one cowl and ship it to the warehouse. I'm sure you've heard of such things as minimum production runs, being the expert on globally sourced manufacturing and all.
ORIGINAL: wahoo
So why didn't herve offer to order one for the guy ?
Listen guys I don't care who the customer is/was nor do I care who the company was...what struck me like an arrow was the lack of help if you will, Again I'm assuming butonce herve learned of the manufacturer of the plane he put up a wall and was unwilling to help the guy..any guy. That's not how I want to think we as modelers (niche) would treat each other.
ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons
That's correct. PAU isn't in the parts business so they don't keep an unlimited supply of spare parts. Making it even more important to save those parts for their customers. They could order tons of spare parts, which may end up sitting forever and causing the company to lose money. I'm glad you're finally understanding.
That's correct. PAU isn't in the parts business so they don't keep an unlimited supply of spare parts. Making it even more important to save those parts for their customers. They could order tons of spare parts, which may end up sitting forever and causing the company to lose money. I'm glad you're finally understanding.
Listen guys I don't care who the customer is/was nor do I care who the company was...what struck me like an arrow was the lack of help if you will, Again I'm assuming butonce herve learned of the manufacturer of the plane he put up a wall and was unwilling to help the guy..any guy. That's not how I want to think we as modelers (niche) would treat each other.
So now you're telling me there is only a few cowls on the planet for the planes PAU sells ?
Keep posting guys.....yer diggin it deeper and deeper.
04-29-2013, 11:53 AM
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ORIGINAL: astrohog
I was hoping for a little more open interaction, like maybe some direct answers to the questions I posed, or at least an apples-to-apples comparison, but if that's the best you can do, it's the best you can do...
Here's one last question: Do you think DA should sell a customer a piston for the customer's DLE engine?
Astro
I was hoping for a little more open interaction, like maybe some direct answers to the questions I posed, or at least an apples-to-apples comparison, but if that's the best you can do, it's the best you can do...
Here's one last question: Do you think DA should sell a customer a piston for the customer's DLE engine?
Astro
Pretty soon it will come to this...
04-29-2013, 12:07 PM
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RE: Performance Aircraft Unlimited - Are you kidding me...you can't be seriuos
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LOL, guess what it would take to get the factory to make one cowl and ship it to the warehouse. I'm sure you've heard of such things as minimum production runs, being the expert on globally sourced manufacturing and all.
ORIGINAL: wahoo
So why didn't herve offer to order one for the guy ?
Listen guys I don't care who the customer is/was nor do I care who the company was...what struck me like an arrow was the lack of help if you will, Again I'm assuming but once herve learned of the manufacturer of the plane he put up a wall and was unwilling to help the guy..any guy. That's not how I want to think we as modelers (niche) would treat each other.
ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons
That's correct. PAU isn't in the parts business so they don't keep an unlimited supply of spare parts. Making it even more important to save those parts for their customers. They could order tons of spare parts, which may end up sitting forever and causing the company to lose money. I'm glad you're finally understanding.
That's correct. PAU isn't in the parts business so they don't keep an unlimited supply of spare parts. Making it even more important to save those parts for their customers. They could order tons of spare parts, which may end up sitting forever and causing the company to lose money. I'm glad you're finally understanding.
Listen guys I don't care who the customer is/was nor do I care who the company was...what struck me like an arrow was the lack of help if you will, Again I'm assuming but once herve learned of the manufacturer of the plane he put up a wall and was unwilling to help the guy..any guy. That's not how I want to think we as modelers (niche) would treat each other.
So now you're telling me there is only a few cowls on the planet for the planes PAU sells ?
Keep posting guys.....yer diggin it deeper and deeper.
What it comes down to is a bad phone call. We'll never know exactly what was said: perhaps Herve was curt or short, perhaps the OP had a bad tone. Either guy could have been having a bad day. However, to come on a public forum and trash a manufacturer is really not necessary. The sale of a cowl and a couple props isn't the issue; both sides standing up for their right to do and see things their way seems to be it. As I mentioned much earlier in the thread, I'm not currently a PAU customer, but I'm still glad they are standing up for their right to conduct their business in the manner which has worked for them as they see fit
04-29-2013, 12:21 PM
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RE: Performance Aircraft Unlimited - Are you kidding me...you can't be seriuos
ORIGINAL: wahoo
Why ask...you obviously don't think so.
Pretty soon it will come to this...
ORIGINAL: astrohog
I was hoping for a little more open interaction, like maybe some direct answers to the questions I posed, or at least an apples-to-apples comparison, but if that's the best you can do, it's the best you can do...
Here's one last question: Do you think DA should sell a customer a piston for the customer's DLE engine?
Astro
I was hoping for a little more open interaction, like maybe some direct answers to the questions I posed, or at least an apples-to-apples comparison, but if that's the best you can do, it's the best you can do...
Here's one last question: Do you think DA should sell a customer a piston for the customer's DLE engine?
Astro
Pretty soon it will come to this...
Astro
04-29-2013, 12:28 PM
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Yes, that's what they're telling you. PAU is one manufacturer with multiple models for sale. Do you suppose they should carry hundreds of spare cowls for planes they may only have sold a few hundred of to begin with? Of every plane they currently or have in the past sold? Preposterous. Just try to find parts for discontinued planes from H9, Great Planes, Lanier, Dave Brown et al...
What it comes down to is a bad phone call. We'll never know exactly what was said: perhaps Herve was curt or short, perhaps the OP had a bad tone. Either guy could have been having a bad day. However, to come on a public forum and trash a manufacturer is really not necessary. The sale of a cowl and a couple props isn't the issue; both sides standing up for their right to do and see things their way seems to be it. As I mentioned much earlier in the thread, I'm not currently a PAU customer, but I'm still glad they are standing up for their right to conduct their business in the manner which has worked for them as they see fit
ORIGINAL: wahoo
ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons
LOL, guess what it would take to get the factory to make one cowl and ship it to the warehouse. I'm sure you've heard of such things as minimum production runs, being the expert on globally sourced manufacturing and all.
ORIGINAL: wahoo
So why didn't herve offer to order one for the guy ?
Listen guys I don't care who the customer is/was nor do I care who the company was...what struck me like an arrow was the lack of help if you will, Again I'm assuming butonce herve learned of the manufacturer of the plane he put up a wall and was unwilling to help the guy..any guy. That's not how I want to think we as modelers (niche) would treat each other.
ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons
That's correct. PAU isn't in the parts business so they don't keep an unlimited supply of spare parts. Making it even more important to save those parts for their customers. They could order tons of spare parts, which may end up sitting forever and causing the company to lose money. I'm glad you're finally understanding.
That's correct. PAU isn't in the parts business so they don't keep an unlimited supply of spare parts. Making it even more important to save those parts for their customers. They could order tons of spare parts, which may end up sitting forever and causing the company to lose money. I'm glad you're finally understanding.
Listen guys I don't care who the customer is/was nor do I care who the company was...what struck me like an arrow was the lack of help if you will, Again I'm assuming butonce herve learned of the manufacturer of the plane he put up a wall and was unwilling to help the guy..any guy. That's not how I want to think we as modelers (niche) would treat each other.
So now you're telling me there is only a few cowls on the planet for the planes PAU sells ?
Keep posting guys.....yer diggin it deeper and deeper.
What it comes down to is a bad phone call. We'll never know exactly what was said: perhaps Herve was curt or short, perhaps the OP had a bad tone. Either guy could have been having a bad day. However, to come on a public forum and trash a manufacturer is really not necessary. The sale of a cowl and a couple props isn't the issue; both sides standing up for their right to do and see things their way seems to be it. As I mentioned much earlier in the thread, I'm not currently a PAU customer, but I'm still glad they are standing up for their right to conduct their business in the manner which has worked for them as they see fit
Well this has me second guessing the OP unless of course he has the red oracle scheme and doesn't want to have to paint this one to match...WAIT A SEC !!..he does have the Pitts in the Oracle scheme...hmmm
$31 for a bare cowl or $19 more for one all painted up and ready to install...hmm.. tuff choice huh ?
I own two H9 330L's good news for me huh ?...wonder if they'll ask me when and where I bought them If I tried ordering one these ?
http://www.hangar-9.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HAN1211
04-29-2013, 12:37 PM
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RE: Performance Aircraft Unlimited - Are you kidding me...you can't be seriuos
ORIGINAL: wahoo
That's BS and you know it...what business would turn down business to accomodate it's business ? serioulsy?
Do PAU customers crash a lot or change engines like I change underwear ?
ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons
No, you're just throwing anything out there in an attempt to damage PAU's reputation. Reading between the lines to make up your own facts, I think people can see right through that.
No, you're just throwing anything out there in an attempt to damage PAU's reputation. Reading between the lines to make up your own facts, I think people can see right through that.
That's BS and you know it...what business would turn down business to accomodate it's business ? serioulsy?
Do PAU customers crash a lot or change engines like I change underwear ?
So you don't change your underwear? Haha, you left that one wide open buddy!
As for the parts issue...
What do you do you when you can't find a OEM car part for your vehicle them come to find out the "OEM" manufacture quit making that said part? Happens all the time in vehicle parts industry. This is where "Aftermarket" parts come into play.
Yeah, it sucks but it's your only option if you want to drive your car again. If this is a common issue for you, buy a newer car! Same goes for RC airplanes!
I own a BME 50cc Yak that I purchase off some asshat circle flyer from RCU 5 years ago! I have over 300+ flights on it.
I purchased this kit knowing that if I EVER dorked my plane getting parts would be virtually impossible. I then did some research and found "Aftermarket" part suppliers that could assist in the event of a crash because getting parts from PAU wasn't a option.
I would never expect a company to supply parts for a older aircraft over 3-4 years, especially if the company was bought out by a new company. Good Luck there!
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04-29-2013, 12:45 PM
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Wahoo,
So you don't change your underwear? Haha, you left that one wide open buddy!
As for the parts issue...
What do you do you when you can't find a OEM car part for your vehicle them come to find out the "OEM" manufacture quit making that said part? Happens all the time in vehicle parts industry. This is where "Aftermarket" parts come into play.
Yeah, it sucks but it's your only option if you want to drive your car again. If this is a common issue for you, buy a newer car! Same goes for RC airplanes!
I own a BME 50cc Yak that I purchase off some asshat circle flyer from RCU 5 years ago! I have over 300+ flights on it.
I purchased this kit knowing that if I EVER dorked my plane getting parts would be virtually impossible. I then did some research and found "Aftermarket" part suppliers that could assist in the event of a crash because getting parts from PAU wasn't a option.
I would never expect a company to supply parts for a older aircraft over 3-4 years, especially if the company was bought out by a new company. Good Luck there!
-T-Bag
ORIGINAL: wahoo
That's BS and you know it...what business would turn down business to accomodate it's business ? serioulsy?
Do PAU customers crash a lot or change engines like I change underwear ?
ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons
No, you're just throwing anything out there in an attempt to damage PAU's reputation. Reading between the lines to make up your own facts, I think people can see right through that.
No, you're just throwing anything out there in an attempt to damage PAU's reputation. Reading between the lines to make up your own facts, I think people can see right through that.
That's BS and you know it...what business would turn down business to accomodate it's business ? serioulsy?
Do PAU customers crash a lot or change engines like I change underwear ?
So you don't change your underwear? Haha, you left that one wide open buddy!
As for the parts issue...
What do you do you when you can't find a OEM car part for your vehicle them come to find out the "OEM" manufacture quit making that said part? Happens all the time in vehicle parts industry. This is where "Aftermarket" parts come into play.
Yeah, it sucks but it's your only option if you want to drive your car again. If this is a common issue for you, buy a newer car! Same goes for RC airplanes!
I own a BME 50cc Yak that I purchase off some asshat circle flyer from RCU 5 years ago! I have over 300+ flights on it.
I purchased this kit knowing that if I EVER dorked my plane getting parts would be virtually impossible. I then did some research and found "Aftermarket" part suppliers that could assist in the event of a crash because getting parts from PAU wasn't a option.
I would never expect a company to supply parts for a older aircraft over 3-4 years, especially if the company was bought out by a new company. Good Luck there!
-T-Bag
