Sig Ryan STA
Oh boy. I’ve seen this debate a number of times. The guys who design and build want to, and should be recognized for the extra skill and effort required. I have scratch built a number of planes from plans and built many kits with instructions that vary in quality. Never designed and built. The design aspect alone requires an additional level of knowledge, skill, and dedication that not everyone has.
So the designations are:
Flyer - Flies stuff other people sell, or RTF. Likes flying but not working on models.
Assembler - Assemble and fly ARF or similar
Builder - Builds kits with plans and instructions developed by someone else (keeps folks like me on the correct path and from going crazy <shapetype coordsize="21600,21600" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" filled="f" stroked="f" id="_x0000_t75"><stroke joinstyle="miter"></stroke><formulas><f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"></f><f eqn="sum @0 1 0"></f><f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"></f><f eqn="prod @2 1 2"></f><f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"></f><f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"></f><f eqn="sum @0 0 1"></f><f eqn="prod @6 1 2"></f><f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"></f><f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"></f><f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"></f><f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"></f></formulas><path gradientshapeok="t"></path><lock aspectratio="t"></lock></shapetype><shape type="#_x0000_t75" alt="http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/punymce/plugins/emoticons/img/trans.gif" id="Picture_x0020_1" style="WIDTH: 0.75pt; HEIGHT: 0.75pt; VISIBILITY: visible; mso-wrap-style: square"><imagedata src="file:///C:\Users\ccorne10\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\ 01\clip_image001.gif"></imagedata></shape>)
Scratch Builder - Builds from plans with limited or no instructions (A cake baked from scratch still uses a recipe).
Designer Builder - Designs a model from pictures or 3 view drawings and then works through the process of making components and assembling them into a model.
For some reason people leave of the last category of designer builder and call them scratch builders. They truely deserve their own catagory for the dedicated modeler with the skills and patience to go through the process of designing and creating a unique model. Wish I had the skills but not yet. After viewing this amazing build it looks like I have a ways to go shoring up my building skills also!
It should be noted that nothing is wrong with any of these catagories. We all like working, flying, RC models.
>It should be noted that nothing is wrong with any of these catagories. We all like working, flying, RC models.
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Amen to that!
Jaybird
If you build something from scratch that means you have drawn a set of plans or construction drawings to allow you to build the model.
If you obtain a set of plans or construction drawings from other sources to help with the build of the model, that is a plans-built project.
This is not my idea nor anything new, but something I was exposed to some 55 years ago when I started building flying models.
Bob
Did your kit come with a wind screen? I've seen a few kit built Ryans and the Great Planes ARFs and they have short wind screen for the pilot. Please don't take this question as criticism of your AMAZING Ryan, I was just curious.........
Take care,
David
My second hand, mostly built Sig Ryan is next up on the table to see if I can get it air worthy for this summer.
Jaybird
Sorry, I can't hold back. I'll repeat myself:
If you build something from scratch that means you have drawn a set of plans or construction drawings to allow you to build the model.
If you obtain a set of plans or construction drawings from other sources to help with the build of the model, that is a plans-built project.
This is not my idea nor anything new, but something I was exposed to some 55 years ago when I started building flying models.
Bob
If I aquire a set of plans , cut my own wing ribs and fuselage formers, manufacture my own landing gear, control horns, etc. all from just a set of plans, you, better believe I am going to tell everyone it is scratch built!
But what I really don't get is why it matters to some in such a serious way? Why is it even being discussed in this perticular thread? This build thread is one of the finest I have seen in a long time. Very nice job!
There " I am a Stickler for things like that"
Now pass me the popcorn
Anthony
Dave
What an inspiration this has been and how exciting it'd be to see it in person. Thanks again for sharing your experience with us here.
Ryans Forever,
Dick
If you need any reference photos, I have a whole bunch I took of the Temora Aviation Museum's Ryan STM-S2 here in Australia. It is the military trainer version of the STA. I am in the slow process of converting an old Sig Ryan STA into the STM-S2. I have an old thread over on RCSB, which reminds me, I must update it some time!
James.
David, to anwser your question about the windscreen, yes it did come with one that you have to cutfrom some sheet plastic. It's not installed as of yet because I don't want to work around it and possiibly damage it until I get the instrument panel installed. I think I am going tomake awooden mold and use some heat to get the windscreen to get to fit the way I want it to.
I did however get to spend a bit of time in the workshop to makeand install the headrest for Private Ryan. This is my busy time at work as I have been spending stupid hours after work training students for upcoming automotive competitions, so for the next two weeks work will progress slowly. The headrest was made from scrap balsa trimmed to sizeand covered in leather. The last photo shows where I got the leather from...LOL
Garage sales are an excellent source for leather. I pick up the occasional women's purse. I do get some strange looks, though.
Dick