NickC5FE

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Joe, if it was carrying MRAPs (mine resistant armored personnel) vehicles, those things weigh around 35,000 lbs! That could definetly cause a huge shift. I always felt iffy when carrying two of them in the Galaxy! Lots of chains holding them down but gosh what if one broke.

basimpsn

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Very sad video indeed [&o]
Some News claim Quote" Video evidence has surfaced online. ... The Taliban immediately claimed responsibility for the crash."

They are investigating the source of the dash cam video..
P.S
After replaying the Dash cam video.. there is something strange about how he react befor and after the plane crash [X(]

RCFlyerDan

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I wouldn't trust the news media on this at all....they rarely get it right. I know they are crazy over there, but I doubt that anyone in their right mind would put themselves infront of the path of a planned wreck.

AlmondRancher

Rest in peace. My condolences to the families.

Pandissix,
Thank you for your service.


- Allan B

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+1 condolences...
I'm also a former C-5 Galaxy Flight Engineer.... having heavy cargo shift like that is an absolute nightmare scenario.
very humbling.
21 guns.

y2blade

Horrible to watch, my thoughts are with those left behind.

pandissix

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I would doubt Taliban was involved. On occasion they cook off some 7.62 at us and the usual indirect fire from rockets...but have limited MANPAD capability. Biggest threat is turn coats.

I recall the altitude is in the neighborhood of 5 k. May have had some impact. I'll let the expert weigh in.

Someone mentioned MRAP vehicles may have shifted. That makes sense as there is a Huge MRAP repair facility there, they mostly keep it covered with fences and tarps...lets just say its bad for morale to see the blown up vehicles from IED.

Also a lot of Soviet Migs and armor graveyard at the perimeter road near the crash...and active mine fields they are still clearing from the 80,s.

Yes Bagram is a hole...and Thunderdom.

whaledriver

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Being a current and qualified Captain on all series -400 (Pax, BCF, F, & LCF) and -8 747's, the thing I take from the video is flaps are where they should be, engines working (no smoke or flame) and the landing gear is down. Whatever happened, it was know to the crew very early in the flight. Two to three seconds after rotation, the PM (pilot monitoring) calls "Positive Climb" and PF (Pilot flying) then calls "Gear Up". That didn't happen, so they had their hands full immediately after liftoff.

I agree with Nick, the loads are not shy when it comes to using chains and straps. My guess would be locks not up, or not enough were up. When we have space behind the pallets, we put up all the remaining pallets locks up, so if there is movement in the pallets for any reason, there is something there to stop it. W&B would be pretty easy with a load of five vehicles.

The other thing could be the aft lower lobe was not downloaded, meaning a bunch of weight in the rear belly not accounted for. It has happened before. Our W&B has a signoff that the Aft Lower Lobe has been inspected. We have the nose gear sensor, but it just advises that the NLG is not happy with the green band on the pitch trim. It will let you takeoff. If the pitch trim was not in the selected green band, then you get a T/O warning.

RIP

E.N.T.

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Just one question: why there is another date shown in the video, and not
4-29-13???


hmarmaizmd717

Sgt Shay

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guy in the video sounds British...likely he was an MP which could explain the dash cam...and then the way it appears as if he blocked the road...oh and the dog making noise to in the truck.

basimpsn

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Point well taken

FalconWings

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[youtube]http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=wXJ_MfAnjgQ&feature=youtu.be&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwXJ_MfAnjgQ%26feature%3 Dyoutu.be[/youtube]

Mustang51

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Yeah... Thats is Discowings... he was doing a VTOL. ( You JACKASS!)

pandissix

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Dash cams pretty typical in all vehicles now. Bagram is serious Thunderdome from Mad Max movies. It's the cross roads of the world with every possible nationality walking and driving around. Most keep a camera running for liability due to the amount of accidents etc. this guy could be a cook or a MP but most likley a contractor just driving the perimeter to a work site.

drdoom

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Yep,he told his dog to hush. and had almost no reaction to the crash. You would almost have to have pryer knowledge to remain so silent. Just my thought.

ravill

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OMG, why did I look at that.

Awful, just awful. There were people in that thing.

okdreamin

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PRAYERS FOR THE FAMILIES

eddieC

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Latest reports are stating weather (wind shear) may be a factor. 

Skyhigh Bev

[color=#FF0099]Gentlemen,
I saw this on the news this morning and then went to the video on my computer as well. Heartbreaking, gut wrenching....just the knowledge that they knew their fate probably 3-4 seconds after rotation.... They did appear to have lift under the left wing at one point... no airspeed, no altitude left.... My only hope is with such a pancake and fully loaded with fuel that death was mercifully instantaneous. I also saw on the news 1) Chatter heard on the radio about the shifting and 2) that the Taliban immediately claimed responsibility (which I think was just wanting to take credit at an opportune moment). Does anyone know why we never heard a 'boom' on that dash cam? Just seems so very odd.

My prayers go out to the seven souls lost and their families....it hurts to watch the final seconds.

RonTins

RIP to the brave souls whom we just lost aboard the 747. May their souls rest in eternal PEACE!

highhorse

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You think wrong. Sorry.

warbirdfanatic

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Skyhigh Bev, there's too many reasons why you would not hear a boom from the 747, mainly that the camera was in the car, jet's don't normally go boom when they hit the ground, that's just added in movies for effect, it's a loud bang but not what you're thinking i.e. like a bomb!

All we can do is speculate on what happened at the moment and send our condolences to the crew's families, if the Taliban have infact suggested they were the cause then this is complete rubbish and they are taking responsibility for a lie, I also hope that the media do not fall for this kind of rubbish, it's also strange that in the UK there's nothing on the news regarding it apart from a small article on the Sky news website, the current headlines this week in the UK are about the weather and the government - complete crap in my opinion!
Both myself and my wife had a tearful moment watching the vid

Wagon1

Documented load shift of the C2 is also hard to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlDmMwI9cik

RCISFUN

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Condolences for the crew families, the following is from a news article

Skyhigh Bev

[color=#FF0099]Warbirdfanatic....Agreed on the Taliban ( opportunists!!!). Perhaps 'boom' was the incorrect word to use.... I've heard car accidents anywhere from in the street in front of my home/business up to ones that happen over a block away...all from inside my house with the airconditioning on and the noise is significant, like a very large firework going off outside your window...enough to startle you...and that's just a car...not the tonnage of a jet hitting the ground and the fuel exploding.