ASYULER 70
02-05-2013, 11:06 PM
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RE: ASYULER 70
I saw from the pics that the Japanese guys were using the O.S. OMA 5020-490 motor with a Futaba/O.S. 70 A ESC in this plane. Since I have the exact same motor + ESC combo in my Wind S 50E (that is in the same weight and size range), I'd like to know Ken's recommendation for propeller too.
Can you please point out where to find the recommendation or post it? Thanks.
***Risto***
Can you please point out where to find the recommendation or post it? Thanks.
***Risto***
02-08-2013, 02:45 AM
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RE: ASYULER 70
Hi Risto,
Well, if you are happy with the power of this set up on your Wind 50, it will be even better on the Asyuler since this airframe is a bit smaller and considerably
lighter ( it is NOT fully sheeted as the Wind is ) - I guess you will end up at around 250 to 300 gramms less on the AUW with the Asyuler !
OS-motor has only 490KV, so, a 17x10 or even a 18x10 might be an option to the standard 16x10 that I fly with my 540KV motors on 5s !
As I remember from reading some japanese pages, Mr. Naruke flies up to 18x10 propellers on his Asyuler with exactly your components and 5 s
see you
Hans
Well, if you are happy with the power of this set up on your Wind 50, it will be even better on the Asyuler since this airframe is a bit smaller and considerably
lighter ( it is NOT fully sheeted as the Wind is ) - I guess you will end up at around 250 to 300 gramms less on the AUW with the Asyuler !
OS-motor has only 490KV, so, a 17x10 or even a 18x10 might be an option to the standard 16x10 that I fly with my 540KV motors on 5s !
As I remember from reading some japanese pages, Mr. Naruke flies up to 18x10 propellers on his Asyuler with exactly your components and 5 s
see you
Hans
02-10-2013, 11:40 AM
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RE: ASYULER 70
Thanks Hans,
APC E 17 x 10 is the prop I'm running right now. The problem is the light Zippy compact 4000 mAh packs do not deliver the flight times I wanted to - the first 4 minutes are good but then the power drops too much. I just wanted to have a second opinion on the prop choice before I get some better (and slightly higher capacity) packs. I also just upgraded the ESC to the O.S. one and hope that will bring some improvement too. Wow, with 18 x 10 the current must be clearly above the 70 A recommendation with freshly charged pack...
To avoid being completely off-topic, the Asyuler is a very nice plane indeed. It would be something to consider if it was available locally in Europe (to avoid the relatively high shipping costs).
APC E 17 x 10 is the prop I'm running right now. The problem is the light Zippy compact 4000 mAh packs do not deliver the flight times I wanted to - the first 4 minutes are good but then the power drops too much. I just wanted to have a second opinion on the prop choice before I get some better (and slightly higher capacity) packs. I also just upgraded the ESC to the O.S. one and hope that will bring some improvement too. Wow, with 18 x 10 the current must be clearly above the 70 A recommendation with freshly charged pack...
To avoid being completely off-topic, the Asyuler is a very nice plane indeed. It would be something to consider if it was available locally in Europe (to avoid the relatively high shipping costs).
02-11-2013, 08:18 AM
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RE: ASYULER 70
Hi Risto,
Your set up with the 17x10 APC prop makes good sense to me !
I do think that for the Wind S50E, 4500mah packs are the minimum if you fly with 5s !
Amps on 5s should be in the range of 70 to 80 A to get the power you need !
Again - the Asyuler is a smaller and lighter plane - the Wind S50E is probably just that tick too heavy to have a good 5s set up ( that
is the reason why I like the older Angel S50E better - it is just that tick smaller and lighter than the Wind ! )
In fact, the Asyuler can be compared to the Angel much more than to the Wind !
see you
Hans
Your set up with the 17x10 APC prop makes good sense to me !
I do think that for the Wind S50E, 4500mah packs are the minimum if you fly with 5s !
Amps on 5s should be in the range of 70 to 80 A to get the power you need !
Again - the Asyuler is a smaller and lighter plane - the Wind S50E is probably just that tick too heavy to have a good 5s set up ( that
is the reason why I like the older Angel S50E better - it is just that tick smaller and lighter than the Wind ! )
In fact, the Asyuler can be compared to the Angel much more than to the Wind !
see you
Hans
03-03-2013, 07:15 AM
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RE: ASYULER 70
ORIGINAL: FinnSpeed
I saw from the pics that the Japanese guys were using the O.S. OMA 5020-490 motor with a Futaba/O.S. 70 A ESC in this plane. Since I have the exact same motor + ESC combo in my Wind S 50E (that is in the same weight and size range), I'd like to know Ken's recommendation for propeller too.
Can you please point out where to find the recommendation or post it? Thanks.
***Risto***
I saw from the pics that the Japanese guys were using the O.S. OMA 5020-490 motor with a Futaba/O.S. 70 A ESC in this plane. Since I have the exact same motor + ESC combo in my Wind S 50E (that is in the same weight and size range), I'd like to know Ken's recommendation for propeller too.
Can you please point out where to find the recommendation or post it? Thanks.
***Risto***
03-08-2013, 04:26 AM
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RE: ASYULER 70
Just to compare, I use 17x10 APC electric prop on my Sebart Wind S 50E with Hacker A50-16S V2 motor (and Castle Creations Phoenix ICE 100 ESC). I used DesirePower 6 cell V8 35C 5200 mAh Lipo (weight about 760 gram)before until the batteries did not give enough power (after about 200 cycles). According to the Castle log after flights my max amp is max 70 A at full power in the air and max watt has been 1669 watt in flightaccording to the LOG
6-7 min flying time is no problem with such setup and still 20% capacity left in battery. The problem now is that I can not buy any new 5000 mAh 6 cell single LiPo packhere because the security restriction on shipping them. I think I have to switch to two 3 cell packs in series instead.
/Bo
6-7 min flying time is no problem with such setup and still 20% capacity left in battery. The problem now is that I can not buy any new 5000 mAh 6 cell single LiPo packhere because the security restriction on shipping them. I think I have to switch to two 3 cell packs in series instead.
/Bo
03-08-2013, 06:00 AM
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RE: ASYULER 70
Hi Bo,
Yes, the Wind S 50E is usually flown with 6s
As from my side, I want to have a 5s set up for the Asyuler - these packs are just one half of the 10s packs that I use on the full size ships !
I do believe that such a 5s set up is good enough for the Asyuler - this airframe is considerably lighter compared to Seba`s Wind !
I will receive my MGM ESC and the weatronic 3 axis gyro equiped Rx soon, so I will start completing the Asyuler any moment !
The red anodized 64mm TruTurn turbo cool spinner is still under way, beeing the last item that is missing
I will try out the 3-axis gyro stabilization on my Asyuler just to gain some more experience with variable gains and probably try even the heading hold
mode ! ( I do use 3 axis gyros in all of my EDF`s and turbine jets , but these ships are less than optimum to try out the whole gyro capabilities - just to fast )
see you
Hans
PS: my hobbyroom mate has the Wind S50E flying on 5s with a pletty orbit 20XL-16 ( 540KV ) and a RFM folding prop 16x10 - just perfect set up ! )
Yes, the Wind S 50E is usually flown with 6s
As from my side, I want to have a 5s set up for the Asyuler - these packs are just one half of the 10s packs that I use on the full size ships !
I do believe that such a 5s set up is good enough for the Asyuler - this airframe is considerably lighter compared to Seba`s Wind !
I will receive my MGM ESC and the weatronic 3 axis gyro equiped Rx soon, so I will start completing the Asyuler any moment !
The red anodized 64mm TruTurn turbo cool spinner is still under way, beeing the last item that is missing
I will try out the 3-axis gyro stabilization on my Asyuler just to gain some more experience with variable gains and probably try even the heading hold
mode ! ( I do use 3 axis gyros in all of my EDF`s and turbine jets , but these ships are less than optimum to try out the whole gyro capabilities - just to fast )
see you
Hans
PS: my hobbyroom mate has the Wind S50E flying on 5s with a pletty orbit 20XL-16 ( 540KV ) and a RFM folding prop 16x10 - just perfect set up ! )
03-09-2013, 02:08 AM
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RE: ASYULER 70
Interesting! The reason why I'm trying to fly the Wind S50E with 5S is exactly the same. When I get enough practise, I'll probably get a full size 2x2 F3A plane and could use the same batteries. I believe the O.S. engine with the O.S. ESC should be a high efficiency combination that would allow me to fly through the Nordic sequence. I'm trying to keep the plane as light as possible. Now the AUW is about 3100 g but the bigger battery is going to increase that by some 100 g. I will try to compensate by getting a lighter prop - the 17 x 10 APC E is rather heavy at 68 g.
The Wind S50E is also clearly larger than the Asyuler so it is natural that it is somewhat heavier too. What's the AUW of the Asyuler typically, what are you aiming for?
A folding prop in a pattern plane? That's new to me! Doesn't it affect downline braking?
The Wind S50E is also clearly larger than the Asyuler so it is natural that it is somewhat heavier too. What's the AUW of the Asyuler typically, what are you aiming for?
A folding prop in a pattern plane? That's new to me! Doesn't it affect downline braking?
03-09-2013, 02:31 AM
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RE: ASYULER 70
FinnSpeed,
I suppose You can fly Wind S 50E on 5 cells rather good but in windy conditions You really need the extra punch 6 cell can give. Last season it was rather windy many times I was flying and then I feel I need extra power. I have flown rather much N-13 Nordic manuvers with my Win S 50E on 6 cell and for me it has worked well with that. It would as You say be better to have practice plane one can use 5 cellsthat can also be used for a 2x2 M plane. A good 5 or 6 cell pack is after all rather expensive so it is good to standardise some on packs so they can be used on more then one model. I need to buy new 6 cell packs for my Win S 50E now and I use 3 packs so I can rotate them and fly almost continously.
/Bo
I suppose You can fly Wind S 50E on 5 cells rather good but in windy conditions You really need the extra punch 6 cell can give. Last season it was rather windy many times I was flying and then I feel I need extra power. I have flown rather much N-13 Nordic manuvers with my Win S 50E on 6 cell and for me it has worked well with that. It would as You say be better to have practice plane one can use 5 cellsthat can also be used for a 2x2 M plane. A good 5 or 6 cell pack is after all rather expensive so it is good to standardise some on packs so they can be used on more then one model. I need to buy new 6 cell packs for my Win S 50E now and I use 3 packs so I can rotate them and fly almost continously.
/Bo
03-14-2013, 12:02 PM
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RE: ASYULER 70
Hi J-P,
Yes, this Yamada 70 looks very nice - it will be a perfect match for the Asyuler !
I do have my motor as well - it is a Leomotion large diameter, direct drive INRUNNER ( the stator and the rotor is in fact from Steve Neu and equals his 1912/2y ! )
I will use this motor the same way as Plettenberg is doing it with their Advance for the full size ships !
Hope to start the assembly of my Asyuler in the coming days to have it ready for the upcoming, warmer spring days !
see you
Hans
Yes, this Yamada 70 looks very nice - it will be a perfect match for the Asyuler !
I do have my motor as well - it is a Leomotion large diameter, direct drive INRUNNER ( the stator and the rotor is in fact from Steve Neu and equals his 1912/2y ! )
I will use this motor the same way as Plettenberg is doing it with their Advance for the full size ships !
Hope to start the assembly of my Asyuler in the coming days to have it ready for the upcoming, warmer spring days !
see you
Hans
03-14-2013, 01:04 PM
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RE: ASYULER 70
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Interesting! The reason why I'm trying to fly the Wind S50E with 5S is exactly the same. When I get enough practise, I'll probably get a full size 2x2 F3A plane and could use the same batteries. I believe the O.S. engine with the O.S. ESC should be a high efficiency combination that would allow me to fly through the Nordic sequence. I'm trying to keep the plane as light as possible. Now the AUW is about 3100 g but the bigger battery is going to increase that by some 100 g. I will try to compensate by getting a lighter prop - the 17 x 10 APC E is rather heavy at 68 g.
The Wind S50E is also clearly larger than the Asyuler so it is natural that it is somewhat heavier too. What's the AUW of the Asyuler typically, what are you aiming for?
A folding prop in a pattern plane? That's new to me! Doesn't it affect downline braking?
Interesting! The reason why I'm trying to fly the Wind S50E with 5S is exactly the same. When I get enough practise, I'll probably get a full size 2x2 F3A plane and could use the same batteries. I believe the O.S. engine with the O.S. ESC should be a high efficiency combination that would allow me to fly through the Nordic sequence. I'm trying to keep the plane as light as possible. Now the AUW is about 3100 g but the bigger battery is going to increase that by some 100 g. I will try to compensate by getting a lighter prop - the 17 x 10 APC E is rather heavy at 68 g.
The Wind S50E is also clearly larger than the Asyuler so it is natural that it is somewhat heavier too. What's the AUW of the Asyuler typically, what are you aiming for?
A folding prop in a pattern plane? That's new to me! Doesn't it affect downline braking?
Aero naut 16x10 three blades is equivalent to APC 17x10 in power consumptions.
Regards,
Henning
03-15-2013, 02:41 AM
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RE: ASYULER 70
Hi Henning,
Yes, looks like a very nice set up on your wind !! Three bladed folding prop - why not !!
What electric components do you use ( 5s or 6s, what is the KV of the motor ? )
Regards
Hans
Yes, looks like a very nice set up on your wind !! Three bladed folding prop - why not !!
What electric components do you use ( 5s or 6s, what is the KV of the motor ? )
Regards
Hans
03-15-2013, 03:34 AM
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RE: ASYULER 70
I am currently using the 16x10 3B on an OS 50 375kv and 6S. I have also flown with the Kontronik Koratop 30-40 400kv and 15x10 3B. Also with 6S. I prefer the OS over Kontronik. It’s smother. Both setups are approx. 1500 Watts. I will assume a 3blade will work well on the Asyuler as it has more or less the same motor installation.
There are two sizes of hubs for three blades made by Aero naut. You should use the smallest one the 42mm to get the correct diameter of the propeller.
Regards,
Henning
There are two sizes of hubs for three blades made by Aero naut. You should use the smallest one the 42mm to get the correct diameter of the propeller.
Regards,
Henning
03-15-2013, 02:14 PM
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RE: ASYULER 70
Thanks Henning, I might just try that! How much is the AUW of your plane and (more importantly) how much does the 3B Aeronaut weigh? I hope it is less than 68 g. APC E is a very good prop for the price but the weight causes issues like you explained. I know the phenomenon from my 3D planes, I get the nasty sound often during snaps and violent moves. It may be flutter but I bet it is straining the motor bearings a lot as well and part of the sound could be resonance in the nose and fuselage of the plane.
I was thinking that when you apply brake, the blades might begin folding back. Based on your info this doesn't happen (unless you program too much brake in) and the centrifugal forces overpower the braking, keeping the blades straight?
Awaiting for the Asyuler flight and AUW weight reports...
I was thinking that when you apply brake, the blades might begin folding back. Based on your info this doesn't happen (unless you program too much brake in) and the centrifugal forces overpower the braking, keeping the blades straight?
Awaiting for the Asyuler flight and AUW weight reports...
03-16-2013, 04:33 AM
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RE: ASYULER 70
My Wind 50 3140 grams.
Aero naut 16x10 3 blade 45 grams
Aero naut 16x10 2 blade 30 grams
The 17x10 should be approx 35 grmams.
Aero naut have several hubs in different length and all the normal sizes of propeller blades.
The efficiency is equal to APC but you save weight and you will have less stress on the motor and fuse due to the hinges of the propeller blades. The blades will not fold when the F3A break is applied.
Regards,
Henning
Aero naut 16x10 3 blade 45 grams
Aero naut 16x10 2 blade 30 grams
The 17x10 should be approx 35 grmams.
Aero naut have several hubs in different length and all the normal sizes of propeller blades.
The efficiency is equal to APC but you save weight and you will have less stress on the motor and fuse due to the hinges of the propeller blades. The blades will not fold when the F3A break is applied.
Regards,
Henning
06-22-2013, 08:01 AM
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RE: ASYULER 70
Hi guys,
Just had a talk to Ken Hirose from Naruke Hobbies - Bad News is : Asyuler 70 has been sold out for quite some time !
The good News is : Acuracy 70 is in the making !
I just can say to everybody interested - it will be worth the time to wait and the money to be spared for this one !
Have a nice Weekend
Hans
Just had a talk to Ken Hirose from Naruke Hobbies - Bad News is : Asyuler 70 has been sold out for quite some time !
The good News is : Acuracy 70 is in the making !
I just can say to everybody interested - it will be worth the time to wait and the money to be spared for this one !
Have a nice Weekend
Hans
09-18-2013, 05:41 PM
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Hey Claude,
Don't know about the exact price and availability. I've contacted NTS 2 months ago and they were not able to give me a date and exact price so I went on another route.
Best way to know is to go on their website and send them an email.
Don't know about the exact price and availability. I've contacted NTS 2 months ago and they were not able to give me a date and exact price so I went on another route.
Best way to know is to go on their website and send them an email.
10-24-2013, 06:46 AM
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Hi,
Any news about the Acuracy 70? Anyone have one and flown with it?
http://homepage3.nifty.com/naru/asyuler70.htm
Shold be a nice plane to fly with in winter here with skis (Du-Bro main skis or similar) on the plane.
/Bo
Any news about the Acuracy 70? Anyone have one and flown with it?
http://homepage3.nifty.com/naru/asyuler70.htm
Shold be a nice plane to fly with in winter here with skis (Du-Bro main skis or similar) on the plane.
/Bo
