sensei

I reviewed your PA30 design, and build thread, it was very informative and interesting; especially the completion and maiden flight part. Anyway I do want to learn more about safe guarding our airplanes from crash damage by means of your excessive usage of glue process as illustrated in this picture, please explain to us all...


http://images.rcuniverse.com/forum/u...49/Vy48022.jpg

And as always, thanks in advance,

Bob

Zor

Hi everyone,

Is it not wonderful that we have all learned a lot from a specific individual that contributed his knowledge and experience in seven writings posted in this thread.

I particularly learned a lot by reading the last two. What I learned was not of course about covering and finishing but the content of these seven posts is valuable information for all readers.

Most of the readers, I suspect, make their own judgment as to how valuable the seven postings up to now have been to illustrate the topic of the thread initiator.

Personally I could not, obviously, illustrate my work before I invested in a suitable digital camera.
I have many pictures related to the build of the two models shown below. I will be glad to post some in this thread if it may assist someone and if the thread originator gives me permission.

Hoping all readers are enjoying the postings made that have no relation to the topic of this thread. They are really typical from that fellow.

Also enjoy your building which is the element that initiated this hobby.

Zor

P.S.: I will edit to add the pictures. I am presently interrupted.

Mako17

Zor your one of the reasons I don't post much, casue you know it ALL! and one member said earlier, but any how here's a few pics of my recent project covered in Koverall and yes DOPE. Its a Sig Hope Bipe.

EJWash1

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EJWash1

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Amazing. I've read these same words in reference to this individual so, so many times.I would think that would be embarassing to any decent human being, but alas.

Thank you for posting the pics of your Hog. Nice clean craftsmanship. I wish this were an atmosphere where you'd feel at-ease in sharing the rest of your finishing process with us, but I can understand your reason.

We are all here to relax and enjoy this hobby and appreciate and learn from nice craftsmanship. No one is here for the constant hijacking, rudeness, browbeatings, and infestations. I always thought that the job of the Moderators was to keep these type of websites as pleasant as possible. In this case, even thought the Mods admit that this person is one of their most reported pests, they have taken a "he'll go away" position. We can only hope, eh?

Zor

I did not see any information on covering and finishing in this link posted in #29.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...+liberti+sport

Zor

JKinTX

First Monokote job Idid was a flop, second one guy at field said model was beauitful- Ithink he was legally blind.
All my stuff is silk and dope or tissue and that is not for the impatient person.

Zor

Hi,

I have edited post #27 and added three pictures.

Proof as someone posted that I have never built and I only post in these forum.

I have many pictures of these build including structures (frame ... bones ... LOL), covering technique and finishing with dope as I do it.

Note that I post only what I do for the evaluation of the readers. It is always the reader's prerogative to do what he/she wishes.

Zor

Zor

JKinTX,

I have flown many full size airplanes as a flying instructor for many years.
I have never seen a full size airplane carrying people that was covered with shrinking plastic film.

Once a tear start in plastic, and it is easy to start as we often see in pictures of crashes, it just keeps on going and does not reinforce the model frame. The adhesive on plastic film is very poor to the structure. With light but strong fabric each thread of the fabric has to break in tension to carry on a tear. Using fabric in our models and having each fabric thread cemented to the frame (think genuine aircraft dope) we have the best condition for minimum damages in a crash.

You are using the best technique JKinTX.

Zor

EJWash1

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Ladies and Gentlemen,

JKinTX

That is always the way I was taught from a little boy on up. The entire structure needs to be doped first and then the covering adheres to that and forms a much stronger overall whole.

Once I blasted a VooDoo straight into the dirt with the Fox singing full bore and the only damage was few cracked ribs in the outboard panel and split silkspan. Hit the concrete nose first with a Jr Ringmaster powered by an Enya .15; same results. Those alone convinced me that a properly done wood/silk/or paper and dope structure is extremely strong.
They don't have many full size man carrying aircraft covered in trash bags do they?

hairy46

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Great thread learning myself how to do this!

sensei

Hello Zor,

This thread is really about covering and paint, So I would like to see a few really close up shots of your fit and finish work using your covering and painting methods.

Thank you Zor,

Bob

Zor

Bob,

I will gladly respond to your request if we can get the permission from the thread originator "oldbassard" to post this information in this thread.

Most of that information is already in the thread titled "Skybolt Hanger and Clubhouse" for which I posted a link in an earlier posting here. I guess you are trying to avoid the time to read through that thread.

let us wait a couple of days to see if this permission is granted.
Note that it takes me more time to satisfy you than it would take you to browse that thread.

Zor

sensei

There is a place in model aviation for both plastic and cloth covering systems, it really depends on what your specific purpose is going to be with your airplane. I have covered several full scale and R/C aircraft with the Stits system, and silk and dope covering system on R/C models for the last 30 + years or so, and countless R/C aircraft in plastic. If you are going for the very lightest IMAC or 3D competition airframe possible then nothing beats plastic covering. For those that wish to have a more scale look, then cloth systems or composites airframes and paint is for you. For the record almost all scale guys covering their airplanes try to get a somewhat gloss finish, and generally settle with a satin sheen; not the other way around. As I already stated, I have covered many aircraft in these systems and the Stits system is by far the easiest way to go followed by silk, dope, and paint and finally the plastic covering system that is by far the most difficult to use if you desire a first class looking finish when complete.

Bob

Hab

Absolutely! This is a great thread! I love it! A lot of great info in this one ... that's fo sure

Hab

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JKinTX

Also depends on how long you want the airframe to last. Bare wood with a film covering won't last long in a hot, humid climate especially running an engine.

sensei

True, but as I said; it really depends on what you are wanting to do with the airplane, If I am going to build vintage aircraft, warbird aircraft racing aircraft or most civilian aircraft then you can bet I will build as light as possible and go with a scale finish... Now for IMAC and, or 3D I am going to build as light as I can possibly go and cover with a Monokote finish, even when I finish an airplane in Monokote I always seal the motor box with Stits covering system for longevity. This is just one of my built up airplanes using Monokote covering and Stits covering system under the cowling. The airplane was built in late 2006 and completed in early 2007 and still flying today with maybe 2000+ hard flights on it.

Bob

fred985

this thread is the most amazing thing i have everread here . it has told me absolutly nothing about covering a model aircraft. nor has it enlightened me as to anything that just may help me improve my work. my freekin planes still de=kit just as well covered with mono=coat or silk or ceconite. the dope dont do crap when the airframe splatters its self into another dark world left to be striped of its gear etc before going up in a blaze of glory in my burning barrel. heck,,i alreadey know everything i need to know about covering my models seeing as i covered my stearman ,,my cub and my uncles fleet many years ago so i dont really know why i opened this thread in the first place ??? i havent been disapointed at all. i have learned nothing and i surley dont intend to add anything to a discushion about nothing except to show that there are lots of idiots and morons all over the world. not justin the several rc clubs i have belonged to and never intend to return to. ill just continure to fly and crash using my 145 acres in isolated happiness. the ony thing funny about it all is that i fell sound asleep reading this grat informative thread right to the end and then had to restart my comp because i guess it couldt stand it and shut itself down while i was ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ-N..............wow

sensei

LOL, Thank you so much for your own contribution to this thread...

Bob

fred985

we can all contribute somthing even if it is nothing. why go thru life giving nothing when nothing dosent cost anything?

sensei

This sound a little like reading a fortune cookie, but that is all good. So as the saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words, with that said, do you have anything of your own you would like to show us on the subject matter at hand because I for one love seeing those that posts handy work.

Bob

straitnickel

You got to be pretty ruff with it to put a hole in koverall

SunDevilPilot

Tough crowd in here.... Play nice!