New Evolution 10cc gas engine
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
Just finished maiden on the christen eagle. Engine jerked the plane around plenty good. Used an 11*6 zoar for break in since I didn't have a 10*6 handy. It took awhile for the idle to settle in but it kept getting better.
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
ORIGINAL: flyinwalenda
I got the engine remounted and I took a closer look at it. The slop in the prop hub that was present before I sent it in is gone now. Tight as a drum and it is the original hub. When I took it off ,the hub and key looked fine but it had a lot of side-side slop after it was pressed onto the crank.
I'm sticking with the story of the early batches of cranks not being built or heat treated properly.
I'll take it up tomorrow and see how it performs.
I got the engine remounted and I took a closer look at it. The slop in the prop hub that was present before I sent it in is gone now. Tight as a drum and it is the original hub. When I took it off ,the hub and key looked fine but it had a lot of side-side slop after it was pressed onto the crank.
I'm sticking with the story of the early batches of cranks not being built or heat treated properly.
I'll take it up tomorrow and see how it performs.
I've run about 3 tanks through it since I got it back. It started right up on the 4'th flip and there was not much much residue so I guess Horizon did break it in! I am still treating it like a new engine though.
The tuning was right on and it sounded good and flew well but it's not quite where it was before the problem occurred but it is slowly getting better just like before. Time will tell but I'm hoping it was just a defective crank that caused the issues
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
Well my fingers are starting to heal up, so I got out to the shop last night with my 78 year old Dad, and we got my engine started again. I was running a 11x6 prop, and we were able to tune it to the point where I was getting just over 10k rpms at full throttle. The engine is mounted on a panwnee 40, and I hope to maiden the setup on Saturday morning. My Dad ran old Hornet 60 sized engines back in the 1950s, and he really enjoyed seeing how technology has progressed.
On a side note, I am running a Frsky telemetry system. I got the RPM pickup that came with the engine to plug into the Frsky telemetry hub by switching the hot and signal wire. The signal off the rpm meter is compatable with the Frsky hub, and I am also running a temperature pickup off the head. I get both the RPM and temperature readout at my auxilary screen I mounted to my JR8103. The way my engine is tuned now, I am pulling just over 10k rpms on the ground at 190 degrees (I know it is a little hot). I curious to see how the prop unloads when in the air, andwhat kind of head temperature I will get.
On a side note, I am running a Frsky telemetry system. I got the RPM pickup that came with the engine to plug into the Frsky telemetry hub by switching the hot and signal wire. The signal off the rpm meter is compatable with the Frsky hub, and I am also running a temperature pickup off the head. I get both the RPM and temperature readout at my auxilary screen I mounted to my JR8103. The way my engine is tuned now, I am pulling just over 10k rpms on the ground at 190 degrees (I know it is a little hot). I curious to see how the prop unloads when in the air, andwhat kind of head temperature I will get.
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This may be a silly question, but is there a similar thread that is devoted to just the 15cc? I now own two of the 15cc Evo's and there are some striking differences. First the 15 peaks out with less than a full turn out (about 290 to 310 degrees of rotation), my Evo 10 needle comes out almost 2 full turns. I am running 14x6 props on both 15's and I see just under 10k RPM on the ground. Both of the 15's unload similarly once in the air, and telemetry tells me 10,200 is about where they settle after a long low pass. My one serious concern is the temp readings that I see. On one plane where the engine is completely exposed I see 290 degrees.
But on the new plane where the engine is en-cowled temps rise to 320 degrees and that's at full throttle
After last Saturday's findings I put an extra baffle in the cowl to deflect more air across the head.
Any one else have similar findings?
The new 15 has a better seal around the muffler, but the needle seems to be very sensitive. plus or minus a click or two makes major differences.
Maybe Pete can chime in here?
KKKKFL
But on the new plane where the engine is en-cowled temps rise to 320 degrees and that's at full throttle
After last Saturday's findings I put an extra baffle in the cowl to deflect more air across the head.
Any one else have similar findings?
The new 15 has a better seal around the muffler, but the needle seems to be very sensitive. plus or minus a click or two makes major differences.
Maybe Pete can chime in here?
KKKKFL
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
Have you baffled or dampered off the left side cheek opening? If not, the air entering that side is competing for the exit opening area and thereby limiting the flow past the head.
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Now that's a good tip.. I'll put some baffling on the left side as well. I don't believe that there is competition for "exit" but I'll keep it in mind. What I did install is a vane on the inner right side cheek that directs airflow towards the cylinder head. It tested well in the driveway and needs flight test next. Following the flight test, I can easily put some baffling on the left side, should it be necessary.
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
Is there a 15cc thread? I'm curious as to the differences between the two engines. Out of the box, the muffler is better on the 15cc and doesn't leak oil. The other difference is the needle valve settings listed in the manuals. There's a one full turn difference with the 15 being leaner. Can anyone else confirm the differences from personal experience?
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
Anyone knows the front bearing specification or equivalent? I could only find the 52NX, 60NX, rear bearing information, but not the 91/120NX front bearing.
- Front Bearing: 91/120NX, 10/15/20GX by Evolution Engines (EVO91109)
???
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The rear specification and equivalent bearings:- BB, Rear (Open Race): 52NX, 60NX by Evolution Engines (EVO052110)
15X28X7 [ 6902 M ] Bearing with metallic retainer
6902 Stainless Steel
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My LHS and H9 distributor here do not have the original parts and would be nice to know off the shelf subtitutes that I could find anywhere
Thank you!
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
ORIGINAL: FlyBy8
Man, 62 pages....
Can anyone tell me what 3 blade props have been used successfully?
Man, 62 pages....
Can anyone tell me what 3 blade props have been used successfully?
Pete
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
I'm having a persistent problem with my Evo 10 engine and need help. But first let me state that I love this little engine, have one gallon of fuel through it and it just keeps running better and stronger. The problem is that it dies at idle on down lines, almost every time such as in a stall turn or similar situation. It's very annoying and I know that I will eventually damage the airplane if I don't get this solved. I keep the idle as high as possible but it doesn't help. Anyone else had this problem and came up with a solution?
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
I would really need more information so what I say is pure speculation. Lets eliminate obvious things first.
First place a piece of translucent yellow tygon between the carb and inline blue filter. Now with an idle measured
RPM of 3200 hold the nose of the plane vertical and watch for air bubbles. If you see them your clunk line
Is too short and the engine is quitting due to fuel starvation
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
I had this behavior and the engine was only lean.
To test this is simple, fly out and climb 90° of the engine lower the RPM then it is lean (the manual says it!)
I opened 2 clicks on the HSN and the problem vanished.
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
Thanks for the replys everyone. I hope that I was clear enough in explaining the problem, which is, the engine only dies when in a vertical dive while at idle. Today I changed the fuel line inside the tank (8 oz.). The fuel line was loose enough to easily pull on and off the clunk and brass tubing so it may have been leaking air bubbles. I replaced the tubing and added tubing bands for clamps to keep it snug like in the picture. I will fly the airplane tomorrow and see if there's a difference.
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
ORIGINAL: Russmall
Thanks for the replys everyone. I hope that I was clear enough in explaining the problem, which is, the engine only dies when in a vertical dive while at idle. Today I changed the fuel line inside the tank (8 oz.). The fuel line was loose enough to easily pull on and off the clunk and brass tubing so it may have been leaking air bubbles. I replaced the tubing and added tubing bands for clamps to keep it snug like in the picture. I will fly the airplane tomorrow and see if there's a difference.
Thanks for the replys everyone. I hope that I was clear enough in explaining the problem, which is, the engine only dies when in a vertical dive while at idle. Today I changed the fuel line inside the tank (8 oz.). The fuel line was loose enough to easily pull on and off the clunk and brass tubing so it may have been leaking air bubbles. I replaced the tubing and added tubing bands for clamps to keep it snug like in the picture. I will fly the airplane tomorrow and see if there's a difference.
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RE: New Evolution 10cc gas engine
Falcon, I'm using fuel barbs too but the fuel soaked tubing would still slide on and off very easily. I was just thinking that the tubing bands I added would add a little extra security. I have not had an issue with the clunk working properly. What size tank are you running?