O.S. Engines now made in China
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People can't afford things they used to, the dollar is nearly worthless, and a lot of people are flat out lazy.
People can't afford things they used to, the dollar is nearly worthless, and a lot of people are flat out lazy.
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But there is not necessarily anything wrong with engines made in areas of cheap labor. I have had nothing but good results from my Thunder Tiger engines. Magnum.... well... that's another story.
But there is not necessarily anything wrong with engines made in areas of cheap labor. I have had nothing but good results from my Thunder Tiger engines. Magnum.... well... that's another story.
TT is made in Taiwan, and the labor there is not near as cheap as China. Some quality issues with assembly of TT engines (mostly loose screws), but otherwise very well made.
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Just a quick observation... I just bought a new OS LA .25. It is still made in Japan.
Just a quick observation... I just bought a new OS LA .25. It is still made in Japan.
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I can agree, I do not think OS moved it all there so far. Just the 46 and 55 AX II engines so far. They are testing it out. I am sure they are working out the bugs and kinks of having a offshore manufacturer make those two engines before they decide to add more to the list.
Supertigre appeared to almost overnight move the entire factory to China. I am sure it took a while but one day they were Made inItaly and the next time I noticed they were made in China. They were probably the ones who jumped in with both feet on that endeavor.
Before then years ago. The Vespa Motor Scooter factory was sold to a company in India and they moved the entire factory to India. Where they meticulously copied and manufactured the scooters for many years still. The parts are interchangeable with the originals in that case as well. I remember a lot of guys replacing Vespa parts with Indian made parts on them. Anyway the quality was equal to the quality of the originals.
Supertigre appeared to almost overnight move the entire factory to China. I am sure it took a while but one day they were Made inItaly and the next time I noticed they were made in China. They were probably the ones who jumped in with both feet on that endeavor.
Before then years ago. The Vespa Motor Scooter factory was sold to a company in India and they moved the entire factory to India. Where they meticulously copied and manufactured the scooters for many years still. The parts are interchangeable with the originals in that case as well. I remember a lot of guys replacing Vespa parts with Indian made parts on them. Anyway the quality was equal to the quality of the originals.
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sourcing manufacturing to a lower cost country is only good business sense. The hard part, and the one area where many companies fail is ensuring the same quality standards with reduced overheads. If a company can produce a product cheaper without sacrificing quality, then us as consumers are the winners.
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If their just testing the waters I think that's a big mistake . I would imagine the 46 and 55 would be the 2 most popular engines in their line up . If this goes bad for them I would hate to be the dude who thought this one up . I guess there no dummies though having been around this long and if supertigre can do it successfully I have no doubt OS can too . I would think there going to China with everything and these 2 engines are just the 1st that they have set up . No point having all there stuff there if they can only do so much with the resources they have . Cheers the pope
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sourcing manufacturing to a lower cost country is only good business sense. The hard part, and the one area where many companies fail is ensuring the same quality standards with reduced overheads. If a company can produce a product cheaper without sacrificing quality, then us as consumers are the winners.
sourcing manufacturing to a lower cost country is only good business sense. The hard part, and the one area where many companies fail is ensuring the same quality standards with reduced overheads. If a company can produce a product cheaper without sacrificing quality, then us as consumers are the winners.
Also the consumers are only winners if the distributor sells them cheaper, most times they just pocket the difference.
With the electric revolution slowly taking over, the number of sold new glow engines has steadily gone downhill, which means less money for the manufacturer and distributor. I wish OS well, for the last 50 years or so they have been consistantly high quality, but I don't have a good feeling about the move to China. Time will tell. Below are two of my planes using OS 25 SF and 28 FSR's, never rebuilt, still run perfect and strong after 20+ years.
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Very well said, unfortunately it didn't work out so well with Super Tigre in my opinion. They lost their "precision" and consistancy, it's starting to be hit and miss to get a good one. And from what I hear many parts are next to impossible to get anymore. I've heard the argument that when they moved from Italy to China, they used the same type of equipment to make the new ST's, but that doesn't take into account many other factors - metals used, small "improvement" changes and the care of making/assembly which I'm sure is done as fast as possible.
Also the consumers are only winners if the distributor sells them cheaper, most times they just pocket the difference.
With the electric revolution slowly taking over, the number of sold new glow engines has steadily gone downhill, which means less money for the manufacturer and distributor. I wish OS well, for the last 50 years or so they have been consistantly high quality, but I don't have a good feeling about the move to China. Time will tell. Below are two of my planes using OS 25 SF and 28 FSR's, never rebuilt, still run perfect and strong after 20+ years.
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sourcing manufacturing to a lower cost country is only good business sense. The hard part, and the one area where many companies fail is ensuring the same quality standards with reduced overheads. If a company can produce a product cheaper without sacrificing quality, then us as consumers are the winners.
sourcing manufacturing to a lower cost country is only good business sense. The hard part, and the one area where many companies fail is ensuring the same quality standards with reduced overheads. If a company can produce a product cheaper without sacrificing quality, then us as consumers are the winners.
Also the consumers are only winners if the distributor sells them cheaper, most times they just pocket the difference.
With the electric revolution slowly taking over, the number of sold new glow engines has steadily gone downhill, which means less money for the manufacturer and distributor. I wish OS well, for the last 50 years or so they have been consistantly high quality, but I don't have a good feeling about the move to China. Time will tell. Below are two of my planes using OS 25 SF and 28 FSR's, never rebuilt, still run perfect and strong after 20+ years.
changing to overseas manufacture is a business decision a company makes in an effort to remain competitive and maintain turnover. If you sacrifice what you've built, then you acknowledge the associated risk. it will come down to statistics in the bottom line if the company is able to continue to deliver. Often, the cost of quality is underestimated. Yes a product is cheaper to produce, but you spend more on quality compliance, or pay the price if quality slips.
If a company cannot step up and produce a product cheaper and better than before, then the competition will.
You just need to take ownership of the quality at the cheaper source. Do things right, train the people, test, measure and document...... that will ensure the quality remains... but it will not be as cheap as you think.
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Also the consumers are only winners if the distributor sells them cheaper, most times they just pocket the difference.
Also the consumers are only winners if the distributor sells them cheaper, most times they just pocket the difference.
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100% spot on, my friend! They're not moving to China to reduce the cost of their engines to consumers.
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Also the consumers are only winners if the distributor sells them cheaper, most times they just pocket the difference.
Also the consumers are only winners if the distributor sells them cheaper, most times they just pocket the difference.
Would you accept the price of the hobby keeping up with the price of electricity? or gas? or water? or the payrise you expect every year ?
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I think from what Ive read supertigre shipped all of their machinery over not just using similar stuff . Ive only dealt with their Chinese ones having 5 of my own and seen numerous others and there all good engines . A lot of people just say they've gone to china there engines are now crap and there the ones who don't even own one . Just my opinion from the pontiff ( Cleo's man of the year )
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No, probably not. But they are keeping the price stable or low, while still being able to pay for the higher costs of overheads and the increased margin demands at each point of the distribution chain.
Would you accept the price of the hobby keeping up with the price of electricity? or gas? or water? or the payrise you expect every year ?
No, probably not. But they are keeping the price stable or low, while still being able to pay for the higher costs of overheads and the increased margin demands at each point of the distribution chain.
Would you accept the price of the hobby keeping up with the price of electricity? or gas? or water? or the payrise you expect every year ?
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Just wait until all the chinese want mobile phones, 50 inch TV's, cars and a house to live in. Their wage demands will reach a point where it will be cheaper to produce products in Africa.
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Just wait until all the chinese want mobile phones, 50 inch TV's, cars and a house to live in. Their wage demands will reach a point where it will be cheaper to produce products in Africa.
Just wait until all the chinese want mobile phones, 50 inch TV's, cars and a house to live in. Their wage demands will reach a point where it will be cheaper to produce products in Africa.
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ronwc, on that 3 engine stick, do they have large fin heli heads on them, or?
ronwc, on that 3 engine stick, do they have large fin heli heads on them, or?
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Thanks for the info. Some of the 32's were peeling their liners at one time I think. GREAT that yours are finely tuned and long lasting. Tell me, ..... what does it sound like doing a low fly by at full throttle with all the of those babies screaming? ....
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Thanks for the info. Some of the 32's were peeling their liners at one time I think. GREAT that yours are finely tuned and long lasting. Tell me, ..... what does it sound like doing a low fly by at full throttle with all the of those babies screaming? ....
Thanks for the info. Some of the 32's were peeling their liners at one time I think. GREAT that yours are finely tuned and long lasting. Tell me, ..... what does it sound like doing a low fly by at full throttle with all the of those babies screaming? ....
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Yes, there was a real plane, built back in the 40's i think - see http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/models/...r-TwinCub.html
Mr. Wagner's second attempt produced an even uglier machine, called the Twin Cub. It consisted of a J-3 Cub and a PA-11 Cub Coupe fuselage mounted side-by-side using a small wing center section and central tail plane. The outer wing panels and tail plane were standard components. The resulting aircraft looked so odd that even Mr.Wagner called it "The Thing". Because of the close proximity of the fuselages, only the right hand one could be occupied by a pilot and passenger, the left hand fuselage serving only the purpose of engine mounting.
No propeller synchronizing was envisaged, the props rotating in different planes instead, to prevent hitting each other. This was accomplished by a 'distance piece' on the left hand engine/prop combination. It is claimed that flight qualities were just great, even with one engine out. One wonders, however, with all that prop wash interference.
Even though the purchase price was said to be about half of a regular twin engine aircraft, the Twin Cub remained a one-off and Mr. Wagner turned his attention to the Twin Tri-Pacer, where he bolted two engines to the nose of an otherwise standard Piper PA-22 Tri-Pacer.
None of the Wagner conversions achieved commercial success and both the Twin Cub and Twin Tri-Pacer returned to standard configuration.
BTW, I followed your link above - http://www.flickr.com/photos/erniemisner/ - wow, beautiful pics.
Mr. Wagner's second attempt produced an even uglier machine, called the Twin Cub. It consisted of a J-3 Cub and a PA-11 Cub Coupe fuselage mounted side-by-side using a small wing center section and central tail plane. The outer wing panels and tail plane were standard components. The resulting aircraft looked so odd that even Mr.Wagner called it "The Thing". Because of the close proximity of the fuselages, only the right hand one could be occupied by a pilot and passenger, the left hand fuselage serving only the purpose of engine mounting.
No propeller synchronizing was envisaged, the props rotating in different planes instead, to prevent hitting each other. This was accomplished by a 'distance piece' on the left hand engine/prop combination. It is claimed that flight qualities were just great, even with one engine out. One wonders, however, with all that prop wash interference.
Even though the purchase price was said to be about half of a regular twin engine aircraft, the Twin Cub remained a one-off and Mr. Wagner turned his attention to the Twin Tri-Pacer, where he bolted two engines to the nose of an otherwise standard Piper PA-22 Tri-Pacer.
None of the Wagner conversions achieved commercial success and both the Twin Cub and Twin Tri-Pacer returned to standard configuration.
BTW, I followed your link above - http://www.flickr.com/photos/erniemisner/ - wow, beautiful pics.
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I have OS 15LA Engines NIB and OS 15LA NIP Parts that are Marked Made In China?
I would like to find out any info about COO, current manufacture of the OS 15LA Engines ?
Thank you very much,
Gene
I would like to find out any info about COO, current manufacture of the OS 15LA Engines ?
Thank you very much,
Gene
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If you are buying from Tower, they advertise they have it until the last one is gone. They still have a few 72 mhz receivers although non have been made in 5 years, and it took a while for the 10 CAP radios to get off the shelf. I would bet if it says China, it is in production; If it says Japan, it has been sitting on a shelf. Because the limited glow market, I think new SuperTigers' are really a ruse. Thunder Tigers' are technically distributed by Great Planes now. Don't see none. Keeping OS alive is what Tower is doing as it is one of its anchor lines.