FEJ Hawk
07-15-2013, 11:21 AM
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Lewis Patton outbid everyone for the donated Hawk. it almost went for full retail. I think David Jackson stopped bidding at around 4k when it was getting rather obvious that Lewis was going to get it no matter what price was bid.
07-15-2013, 11:26 AM
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$5,300 or $5,350. . .bidding war was between Lewis and Boli (Bevar) till the end. . .other bidders including myself dropped out when their predetermined limits were reached. Lewis kept looking at Dorothy who smiled and gave her approval to keep bidding
Lewis told the attendee's the stab and carbon fiber spar with the auction jet is being replaced with a complete new unit.
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Lewis told the attendee's the stab and carbon fiber spar with the auction jet is being replaced with a complete new unit.
Regards,
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07-15-2013, 12:50 PM
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$5,300 or $5,350. . .bidding war was between Lewis and Boli (Bevar) till the end. . .other bidders including myself dropped out when their predetermined limits were reached. Lewis kept looking at Dorothy who smiled and gave her approval to keep bidding
Lewis told the attendee's the stab and carbon fiber spar with the auction jet is being replaced with a complete new unit.
Regards,
Eric
$5,300 or $5,350. . .bidding war was between Lewis and Boli (Bevar) till the end. . .other bidders including myself dropped out when their predetermined limits were reached. Lewis kept looking at Dorothy who smiled and gave her approval to keep bidding
Lewis told the attendee's the stab and carbon fiber spar with the auction jet is being replaced with a complete new unit.
Regards,
Eric
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07-16-2013, 04:48 AM
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I have a really hard time understanding the concept of smart people bidding on a FEJ product that blew up on their faces just hours before.
Is crashing due to structural failure the new "in"? If so I want in, I want in!!
I have a really hard time understanding the concept of smart people bidding on a FEJ product that blew up on their faces just hours before.
Is crashing due to structural failure the new "in"? If so I want in, I want in!!
Excuse me while I go look up the definition of insanity to see if this fits. Sounds like a recipe to loose about $20k in equipment to me!
07-16-2013, 05:11 AM
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One of the best things about being free is that we can spend our money as we like, without fear of ridicule or reprisal. If it is ok to spend millions of dollars a year on cigarettes and drugs that will certainly kill us, then why not on a hobby that bring us joy? Just because you see it as insane, does not make it wrong. Or should we only waste our money on the brand and choices that you favor??
To each his own, and as long as the buyer goes into the deal fully aware let freedom of choice stand.
To each his own, and as long as the buyer goes into the deal fully aware let freedom of choice stand.
07-16-2013, 06:31 AM
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I personally saw the part that failed on the hawk. The part never had a chance, the material it was made from was not carbon fiber plate, it was a laminated material consisting of two hard surfaces with a soft core. I too am not an expert on aircraft engineering but when you compare what other manufactures do in a bird of that size and compare it to what FEJ did you have to ask yourself who is designing this stuff? Every company goes through a learning curve and the all have failures and they learn from it. They also learn that they need to prove there product themselves before they offer it for sale to the public. I watched there demo pilot take off a model at Kentucky when it was clear to everyone that the motor was not running right on the ground and he went for a flight hoping it would get better, guess what I didn't and it ended in a dead stick landing. It seems that there attitude is if you bury your head in the sand everything will be fine. There are people around them that are trying to point them in the right direction and help them to have a good product but there not listening. I guess my point is if your house is built on a poor foundation it does not matter how much paint you put on it. Someone at the top of FEJ just does not care or is totally clueless about how to build a safe model jet. If you look at all the bad press they got its clear that there rushing to get models out there so they can say look we fixed our problems but all they do is keep shooting themselves in the foot. If I where FEJ I would take a step back, slow down and fix and test one model at a time.
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07-16-2013, 06:39 AM
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One of the best things about being free is that we can spend our money as we like, without fear of ridicule or reprisal. If it is ok to spend millions of dollars a year on cigarettes and drugs that will certainly kill us, then why not on a hobby that bring us joy? Just because you see it as insane, does not make it wrong. Or should we only waste our money on the brand and choices that you favor??
To each his own, and as long as the buyer goes into the deal fully aware let freedom of choice stand.
One of the best things about being free is that we can spend our money as we like, without fear of ridicule or reprisal. If it is ok to spend millions of dollars a year on cigarettes and drugs that will certainly kill us, then why not on a hobby that bring us joy? Just because you see it as insane, does not make it wrong. Or should we only waste our money on the brand and choices that you favor??
To each his own, and as long as the buyer goes into the deal fully aware let freedom of choice stand.
07-16-2013, 06:51 AM
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Don I saw the same thing lol.
We where all standing their near the flight line when the fly eagle guy was taxing out and the engine was popping and making all kinds of sounds and clearly was not running right. So what did he do?? Take off dead stick and crash
This was after another dead stick he did a great job getting it back and landing but the last one not so much.
We where all like *** is wrong with this guy? They just had a dead stick. Engine is running like crap. So I guess nothing left to do but takeoff and crash
We where all standing their near the flight line when the fly eagle guy was taxing out and the engine was popping and making all kinds of sounds and clearly was not running right. So what did he do?? Take off dead stick and crash
This was after another dead stick he did a great job getting it back and landing but the last one not so much.We where all like *** is wrong with this guy? They just had a dead stick. Engine is running like crap. So I guess nothing left to do but takeoff and crash
07-16-2013, 08:47 AM
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One of the best things about being free is that we can spend our money as we like, without fear of ridicule or reprisal. If it is ok to spend millions of dollars a year on cigarettes and drugs that will certainly kill us, then why not on a hobby that bring us joy?
One of the best things about being free is that we can spend our money as we like, without fear of ridicule or reprisal. If it is ok to spend millions of dollars a year on cigarettes and drugs that will certainly kill us, then why not on a hobby that bring us joy?
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Or should we only waste our money on the brand and choices that you favor??
To each his own, and as long as the buyer goes into the deal fully aware let freedom of choice stand.
Or should we only waste our money on the brand and choices that you favor??
To each his own, and as long as the buyer goes into the deal fully aware let freedom of choice stand.
Would you purchase a TV from a company if your research told you that the brand usually fails right out of the box, the company often ships it with missing parts, they don't respond to your inquiries, they threaten law suits if you don't keep quiet about it, etc? That, to me would be "insane"
07-16-2013, 09:59 AM
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$5,300 or $5,350. . .bidding war was between Lewis and Boli (Bevar) till the end. . .other bidders including myself dropped out when their predetermined limits were reached. Lewis kept looking at Dorothy who smiled and gave her approval to keep bidding
Lewis told the attendee's the stab and carbon fiber spar with the auction jet is being replaced with a complete new unit.
Regards,
Eric
$5,300 or $5,350. . .bidding war was between Lewis and Boli (Bevar) till the end. . .other bidders including myself dropped out when their predetermined limits were reached. Lewis kept looking at Dorothy who smiled and gave her approval to keep bidding
Lewis told the attendee's the stab and carbon fiber spar with the auction jet is being replaced with a complete new unit.
Regards,
Eric
07-16-2013, 11:04 AM
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Either way Lewis did a favor to all those that bid. Who knows, maybe all this was orchestrated so an attendee didn't end up with a liability raffled off at kentucky jets!!!!
07-16-2013, 11:08 AM
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''I don't have a brand preference, I've just read so much negative PR on FEJ, that unless you think ALL these people are lying about their grief, I know, I wouldn't touch their product. Why would you when there are alternatives??''
I do like other jets but I reserve the right to buy what I like, from whom I like, and when I like. Whether I torch my money with a BVM, Composite ARF, or Skymaster it is my choice. No one has the right to stop me because of their beliefs, feelings, or issues. I won’t buy from BVM because of the way he disrespected me when I was new to the jet world. I was young and eager and he was rude. This meant more to me than any monetary loss but I don’t keep pounding on him. I moved on and spend my money where I choose. I don’t protest Skymaster Jets, even though I had one of their there Hawks that blew a stabilizer off in flight. And yes it was due to poor quality. I do this hobby because I love aircraft and the hobby. I also know how to ask for specific changes on my aircraft when I don’t like what’s considered ok.
''Would you purchase a TV from a company if your research told you that the brand usually fails right out of the box, the company often ships it with missing parts, they don't respond to your inquiries, they threaten law suits if you don't keep quiet about it, etc? That, to me would be ''insane”
(yes, if that’s what I want) Please tell me what part of this hobby isn’t insane. Grown men spend thousands of dollars on toys with no practical benefit except a bit of joy. It really doesn’t matter whose jets I buy, my wife considers it all insane.
My point is if your desire is to make everyone aware of issues with FEJ then fine, consider it done. I am certain that most if not all brands of cigarettes and alcohol have the warning about the risk of cancer on the label, but you don’t call everyone with a bottle or lit cigarette stupid. We are all free to choose as we like so respect my rights and I promise not to tread on yours.
I do like other jets but I reserve the right to buy what I like, from whom I like, and when I like. Whether I torch my money with a BVM, Composite ARF, or Skymaster it is my choice. No one has the right to stop me because of their beliefs, feelings, or issues. I won’t buy from BVM because of the way he disrespected me when I was new to the jet world. I was young and eager and he was rude. This meant more to me than any monetary loss but I don’t keep pounding on him. I moved on and spend my money where I choose. I don’t protest Skymaster Jets, even though I had one of their there Hawks that blew a stabilizer off in flight. And yes it was due to poor quality. I do this hobby because I love aircraft and the hobby. I also know how to ask for specific changes on my aircraft when I don’t like what’s considered ok.
''Would you purchase a TV from a company if your research told you that the brand usually fails right out of the box, the company often ships it with missing parts, they don't respond to your inquiries, they threaten law suits if you don't keep quiet about it, etc? That, to me would be ''insane”
(yes, if that’s what I want) Please tell me what part of this hobby isn’t insane. Grown men spend thousands of dollars on toys with no practical benefit except a bit of joy. It really doesn’t matter whose jets I buy, my wife considers it all insane.
My point is if your desire is to make everyone aware of issues with FEJ then fine, consider it done. I am certain that most if not all brands of cigarettes and alcohol have the warning about the risk of cancer on the label, but you don’t call everyone with a bottle or lit cigarette stupid. We are all free to choose as we like so respect my rights and I promise not to tread on yours.
07-16-2013, 11:26 AM
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''I don't have a brand preference, I've just read so much negative PR on FEJ, that unless you think ALL these people are lying about their grief, I know, I wouldn't touch their product. Why would you when there are alternatives??''
I do like other jets but I reserve the right to buy what I like, from whom I like, and when I like. Whether I torch my money with a BVM, Composite ARF, or Skymaster it is my choice. No one has the right to stop me because of their beliefs, feelings, or issues. I won’t buy from BVM because of the way he disrespected me when I was new to the jet world. I was young and eager and he was rude. This meant more to me than any monetary loss but I don’t keep pounding on him. I moved on and spend my money where I choose. I don’t protest Skymaster Jets, even though I had one of their there Hawks that blew a stabilizer off in flight. And yes it was due to poor quality. I do this hobby because I love aircraft and the hobby. I also know how to ask for specific changes on my aircraft when I don’t like what’s considered ok.
''Would you purchase a TV from a company if your research told you that the brand usually fails right out of the box, the company often ships it with missing parts, they don't respond to your inquiries, they threaten law suits if you don't keep quiet about it, etc? That, to me would be ''insane”
(yes, if that’s what I want) Please tell me what part of this hobby isn’t insane. Grown men spend thousands of dollars on toys with no practical benefit except a bit of joy. It really doesn’t matter whose jets I buy, my wife considers it all insane.
My point is if your desire is to make everyone aware of issues with FEJ then fine, consider it done. I am certain that most if not all brands of cigarettes and alcohol have the warning about the risk of cancer on the label, but you don’t call everyone with a bottle or lit cigarette stupid. We are all free to choose as we like so respect my rights and I promise not to tread on yours.
''I don't have a brand preference, I've just read so much negative PR on FEJ, that unless you think ALL these people are lying about their grief, I know, I wouldn't touch their product. Why would you when there are alternatives??''
I do like other jets but I reserve the right to buy what I like, from whom I like, and when I like. Whether I torch my money with a BVM, Composite ARF, or Skymaster it is my choice. No one has the right to stop me because of their beliefs, feelings, or issues. I won’t buy from BVM because of the way he disrespected me when I was new to the jet world. I was young and eager and he was rude. This meant more to me than any monetary loss but I don’t keep pounding on him. I moved on and spend my money where I choose. I don’t protest Skymaster Jets, even though I had one of their there Hawks that blew a stabilizer off in flight. And yes it was due to poor quality. I do this hobby because I love aircraft and the hobby. I also know how to ask for specific changes on my aircraft when I don’t like what’s considered ok.
''Would you purchase a TV from a company if your research told you that the brand usually fails right out of the box, the company often ships it with missing parts, they don't respond to your inquiries, they threaten law suits if you don't keep quiet about it, etc? That, to me would be ''insane”
(yes, if that’s what I want) Please tell me what part of this hobby isn’t insane. Grown men spend thousands of dollars on toys with no practical benefit except a bit of joy. It really doesn’t matter whose jets I buy, my wife considers it all insane.
My point is if your desire is to make everyone aware of issues with FEJ then fine, consider it done. I am certain that most if not all brands of cigarettes and alcohol have the warning about the risk of cancer on the label, but you don’t call everyone with a bottle or lit cigarette stupid. We are all free to choose as we like so respect my rights and I promise not to tread on yours.
07-16-2013, 11:28 AM
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William, you're arguing about whether you have the right to purchase "junk". Of course you do but, my question is: Why would you knowingly purchase junk? Do you think yours will be the one that doesn't break? Or the one that comes with all the parts? Or maybe you'll be the guy who gets a response from the company when he has a problem? Is this what you are thinking?
I think that's what perplexes most of us here. No one is saying you can't buy an FEJ jet if you want but, most are trying to understand why you would choose to do so, given what's known about the company.
I think that's what perplexes most of us here. No one is saying you can't buy an FEJ jet if you want but, most are trying to understand why you would choose to do so, given what's known about the company.
07-16-2013, 11:42 AM
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Its not Junk!! Its what you make of it! I take my time putting a jet together! I insure that glue is here and there and if it doesn't look right I change it. We all or most of us just don't throw a jet together and go fly.... Maybe the new babies do because they take everything for granted and what everything handed to them!!! NO jet factory is prone to not crashing or building a jet that doesn't need something! If you say there is, Than you need to take a closer look OR we need to take a closer look at what you are flying!!! AGAIN, ITS NOT JUNK TO US WHO FLY THEM!!!! This thread is like ALL the others on FEJ... What you get is ALL haters bashing everyone and every thing!!!! YOU, don't care what you do to the jet community its just for your gratification for a few minutes! Its pretty sad for anyone to get on the forms anymore to see grown up guys bashing each other and bashing dealers, reps, and flyers... Yet you keep on and on to NO END!! We live in a sad world these days!!!