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OK here's a WAG- The D-21 carried on the M-21 (SR-71) ?

Ernie P.

My Feedback: (3)

Now that is a reach; and not a bad one. But no, the D-21's were placed in museums. At least there are a couple known to be in museums. I saw one a few months ago. Surprisingly, I recognized what it was from a distance. But again, a pretty good guess. How about trying again, after this next clue? Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What warbird do I describe?

Clues:

(1) This plane grew out of a government request to several aircraft companies, to develop experimental designs for a new aircraft.

(2) After all the designs were evaluated, the contract to produce that aircraft was awarded to one company. This was done, despite another rival company developing some very promising design concepts, This decision was based largely upon experience the successful company had developed in very specialized areas.

(3) Nevertheless, the unsuccessful company (which had developed the promising design concepts), kept their design team together, and continued to refine the design. A continuing development contract, to further develop the experimental design, was awarded.

(4) A perceived need for a new, high speed interceptor resulted in another design competition. This time, the improved and further developed design from the previously unsuccessful company was selected.

(5) This interceptor was to make use of recently developed and new technologies; in both the design of the aircraft and the way in which the aircraft was designed.

(6) A handful of aircraft, all but one being flyable, were build and flight tested. After testing, an initial production run of fighters was ordered.

(7) After the test period, all the actual flying aircraft were scrapped. Only the non-flying mockup was preserved.

(8) Difficulty in obtaining materials created a lot of difficulties in producing the ordered aircraft.

(9) Although the program was pretty much on track (budget, aircraft performance, etc), the company was unable to provide the agreed number of fighters, in the timeframe mandated.

(10) In the end, only 15 aircraft were produced by the deadline. Another ten were eventually produced.

(11) Three of the aircraft were reconfigured to serve a reconnaissance role.

(12) All three were flown on actual recon missions.

(13) Although the new fighter/interceptor was capable of performing its designed mission, it was decided the need for the new fighter was no longer there. So, the remaining aircraft were cancelled.

(14) The really odd part is that no one seems to know for sure what happened to the aircraft produced.

(15) Only the three recon planes were retained; and the remaining aircraft were supposedly disassembled to recover materials.

Burt Reynolds

F-111 ?

Burt Reynolds

Lockheed YF-12 ?

Ernie P.

My Feedback: (3)

No correct answers thus far; so here's a morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What warbird do I describe?

Clues:

(1) This plane grew out of a government request to several aircraft companies, to develop experimental designs for a new aircraft.

(2) After all the designs were evaluated, the contract to produce that aircraft was awarded to one company. This was done, despite another rival company developing some very promising design concepts, This decision was based largely upon experience the successful company had developed in very specialized areas.

(3) Nevertheless, the unsuccessful company (which had developed the promising design concepts), kept their design team together, and continued to refine the design. A continuing development contract, to further develop the experimental design, was awarded.

(4) A perceived need for a new, high speed interceptor resulted in another design competition. This time, the improved and further developed design from the previously unsuccessful company was selected.

(5) This interceptor was to make use of recently developed and new technologies; in both the design of the aircraft and the way in which the aircraft was designed.

(6) A handful of aircraft, all but one being flyable, were build and flight tested. After testing, an initial production run of fighters was ordered.

(7) After the test period, all the actual flying aircraft were scrapped. Only the non-flying mockup was preserved.

(8) Difficulty in obtaining materials created a lot of difficulties in producing the ordered aircraft.

(9) Although the program was pretty much on track (budget, aircraft performance, etc), the company was unable to provide the agreed number of fighters, in the timeframe mandated.

(10) In the end, only 15 aircraft were produced by the deadline. Another ten were eventually produced.

(11) Three of the aircraft were reconfigured to serve a reconnaissance role.

(12) All three were flown on actual recon missions.

(13) Although the new fighter/interceptor was capable of performing its designed mission, it was decided the need for the new fighter was no longer there. So, the remaining aircraft were cancelled.

(14) The really odd part is that no one seems to know for sure what happened to the aircraft produced.

(15) Only the three recon planes were retained; and the remaining aircraft were supposedly disassembled to recover materials.

(16) One of the test aircraft proved to be very fast, but the top speed could not be maintained for very long. Still, the top speed which could be maintained was very fast.

Ernie P.

My Feedback: (3)

Afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What warbird do I describe?

Clues:

(1) This plane grew out of a government request to several aircraft companies, to develop experimental designs for a new aircraft.

(2) After all the designs were evaluated, the contract to produce that aircraft was awarded to one company. This was done, despite another rival company developing some very promising design concepts, This decision was based largely upon experience the successful company had developed in very specialized areas.

(3) Nevertheless, the unsuccessful company (which had developed the promising design concepts), kept their design team together, and continued to refine the design. A continuing development contract, to further develop the experimental design, was awarded.

(4) A perceived need for a new, high speed interceptor resulted in another design competition. This time, the improved and further developed design from the previously unsuccessful company was selected.

(5) This interceptor was to make use of recently developed and new technologies; in both the design of the aircraft and the way in which the aircraft was designed.

(6) A handful of aircraft, all but one being flyable, were build and flight tested. After testing, an initial production run of fighters was ordered.

(7) After the test period, all the actual flying aircraft were scrapped. Only the non-flying mockup was preserved.

(8) Difficulty in obtaining materials created a lot of difficulties in producing the ordered aircraft.

(9) Although the program was pretty much on track (budget, aircraft performance, etc), the company was unable to provide the agreed number of fighters, in the timeframe mandated.

(10) In the end, only 15 aircraft were produced by the deadline. Another ten were eventually produced.

(11) Three of the aircraft were reconfigured to serve a reconnaissance role.

(12) All three were flown on actual recon missions.

(13) Although the new fighter/interceptor was capable of performing its designed mission, it was decided the need for the new fighter was no longer there. So, the remaining aircraft were cancelled.

(14) The really odd part is that no one seems to know for sure what happened to the aircraft produced.

(15) Only the three recon planes were retained; and the remaining aircraft were supposedly disassembled to recover materials.

(16) One of the test aircraft proved to be very fast, but the top speed could not be maintained for very long. Still, the top speed which could be maintained was very fast.

(17) The aircraft was built to counter a perceived threat from a very fast bomber; one which might well be accompanied by enemy fighters.

a65l

My Feedback: (17)

North American F-107?

Ernie P.

My Feedback: (3)

A good answer; but not the correct answer. Here's a night clue to aid the process. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What warbird do I describe?

Clues:

(1) This plane grew out of a government request to several aircraft companies, to develop experimental designs for a new aircraft.

(2) After all the designs were evaluated, the contract to produce that aircraft was awarded to one company. This was done, despite another rival company developing some very promising design concepts, This decision was based largely upon experience the successful company had developed in very specialized areas.

(3) Nevertheless, the unsuccessful company (which had developed the promising design concepts), kept their design team together, and continued to refine the design. A continuing development contract, to further develop the experimental design, was awarded.

(4) A perceived need for a new, high speed interceptor resulted in another design competition. This time, the improved and further developed design from the previously unsuccessful company was selected.

(5) This interceptor was to make use of recently developed and new technologies; in both the design of the aircraft and the way in which the aircraft was designed.

(6) A handful of aircraft, all but one being flyable, were build and flight tested. After testing, an initial production run of fighters was ordered.

(7) After the test period, all the actual flying aircraft were scrapped. Only the non-flying mockup was preserved.

(8) Difficulty in obtaining materials created a lot of difficulties in producing the ordered aircraft.

(9) Although the program was pretty much on track (budget, aircraft performance, etc), the company was unable to provide the agreed number of fighters, in the timeframe mandated.

(10) In the end, only 15 aircraft were produced by the deadline. Another ten were eventually produced.

(11) Three of the aircraft were reconfigured to serve a reconnaissance role.

(12) All three were flown on actual recon missions.

(13) Although the new fighter/interceptor was capable of performing its designed mission, it was decided the need for the new fighter was no longer there. So, the remaining aircraft were cancelled.

(14) The really odd part is that no one seems to know for sure what happened to the aircraft produced.

(15) Only the three recon planes were retained; and the remaining aircraft were supposedly disassembled to recover materials.

(16) One of the test aircraft proved to be very fast, but the top speed could not be maintained for very long. Still, the top speed which could be maintained was very fast.

(17) The aircraft was built to counter a perceived threat from a very fast bomber; one which might well be accompanied by enemy fighters.

(18) One of the technologies referenced in (5) was computer aided design.

Ernie P.

My Feedback: (3)

And a morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What warbird do I describe?

Clues:

(1) This plane grew out of a government request to several aircraft companies, to develop experimental designs for a new aircraft.

(2) After all the designs were evaluated, the contract to produce that aircraft was awarded to one company. This was done, despite another rival company developing some very promising design concepts, This decision was based largely upon experience the successful company had developed in very specialized areas.

(3) Nevertheless, the unsuccessful company (which had developed the promising design concepts), kept their design team together, and continued to refine the design. A continuing development contract, to further develop the experimental design, was awarded.

(4) A perceived need for a new, high speed interceptor resulted in another design competition. This time, the improved and further developed design from the previously unsuccessful company was selected.

(5) This interceptor was to make use of recently developed and new technologies; in both the design of the aircraft and the way in which the aircraft was designed.

(6) A handful of aircraft, all but one being flyable, were build and flight tested. After testing, an initial production run of fighters was ordered.

(7) After the test period, all the actual flying aircraft were scrapped. Only the non-flying mockup was preserved.

(8) Difficulty in obtaining materials created a lot of difficulties in producing the ordered aircraft.

(9) Although the program was pretty much on track (budget, aircraft performance, etc), the company was unable to provide the agreed number of fighters, in the timeframe mandated.

(10) In the end, only 15 aircraft were produced by the deadline. Another ten were eventually produced.

(11) Three of the aircraft were reconfigured to serve a reconnaissance role.

(12) All three were flown on actual recon missions.

(13) Although the new fighter/interceptor was capable of performing its designed mission, it was decided the need for the new fighter was no longer there. So, the remaining aircraft were cancelled.

(14) The really odd part is that no one seems to know for sure what happened to the aircraft produced.

(15) Only the three recon planes were retained; and the remaining aircraft were supposedly disassembled to recover materials.

(16) One of the test aircraft proved to be very fast, but the top speed could not be maintained for very long. Still, the top speed which could be maintained was very fast.

(17) The aircraft was built to counter a perceived threat from a very fast bomber; one which might well be accompanied by enemy fighters.

(18) One of the technologies referenced in (5) was computer aided design.

(19) The first flight was in September, 1982.

Ernie P.

My Feedback: (3)

Afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What warbird do I describe?

Clues:

(1) This plane grew out of a government request to several aircraft companies, to develop experimental designs for a new aircraft.

(2) After all the designs were evaluated, the contract to produce that aircraft was awarded to one company. This was done, despite another rival company developing some very promising design concepts, This decision was based largely upon experience the successful company had developed in very specialized areas.

(3) Nevertheless, the unsuccessful company (which had developed the promising design concepts), kept their design team together, and continued to refine the design. A continuing development contract, to further develop the experimental design, was awarded.

(4) A perceived need for a new, high speed interceptor resulted in another design competition. This time, the improved and further developed design from the previously unsuccessful company was selected.

(5) This interceptor was to make use of recently developed and new technologies; in both the design of the aircraft and the way in which the aircraft was designed.

(6) A handful of aircraft, all but one being flyable, were build and flight tested. After testing, an initial production run of fighters was ordered.

(7) After the test period, all the actual flying aircraft were scrapped. Only the non-flying mockup was preserved.

(8) Difficulty in obtaining materials created a lot of difficulties in producing the ordered aircraft.

(9) Although the program was pretty much on track (budget, aircraft performance, etc), the company was unable to provide the agreed number of fighters, in the timeframe mandated.

(10) In the end, only 15 aircraft were produced by the deadline. Another ten were eventually produced.

(11) Three of the aircraft were reconfigured to serve a reconnaissance role.

(12) All three were flown on actual recon missions.

(13) Although the new fighter/interceptor was capable of performing its designed mission, it was decided the need for the new fighter was no longer there. So, the remaining aircraft were cancelled.

(14) The really odd part is that no one seems to know for sure what happened to the aircraft produced.

(15) Only the three recon planes were retained; and the remaining aircraft were supposedly disassembled to recover materials.

(16) One of the test aircraft proved to be very fast, but the top speed could not be maintained for very long. Still, the top speed which could be maintained was very fast.

(17) The aircraft was built to counter a perceived threat from a very fast bomber; one which might well be accompanied by enemy fighters.

(18) One of the technologies referenced in (5) was computer aided design.

(19) The first flight was in September, 1982.

(20) The aircraft used fly by wire controls. During testing, constant tweaking of the system was necessary.

Ernie P.

My Feedback: (3)

And the next clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What warbird do I describe?

Clues:

(1) This plane grew out of a government request to several aircraft companies, to develop experimental designs for a new aircraft.

(2) After all the designs were evaluated, the contract to produce that aircraft was awarded to one company. This was done, despite another rival company developing some very promising design concepts, This decision was based largely upon experience the successful company had developed in very specialized areas.

(3) Nevertheless, the unsuccessful company (which had developed the promising design concepts), kept their design team together, and continued to refine the design. A continuing development contract, to further develop the experimental design, was awarded.

(4) A perceived need for a new, high speed interceptor resulted in another design competition. This time, the improved and further developed design from the previously unsuccessful company was selected.

(5) This interceptor was to make use of recently developed and new technologies; in both the design of the aircraft and the way in which the aircraft was designed.

(6) A handful of aircraft, all but one being flyable, were build and flight tested. After testing, an initial production run of fighters was ordered.

(7) After the test period, all the actual flying aircraft were scrapped. Only the non-flying mockup was preserved.

(8) Difficulty in obtaining materials created a lot of difficulties in producing the ordered aircraft.

(9) Although the program was pretty much on track (budget, aircraft performance, etc), the company was unable to provide the agreed number of fighters, in the timeframe mandated.

(10) In the end, only 15 aircraft were produced by the deadline. Another ten were eventually produced.

(11) Three of the aircraft were reconfigured to serve a reconnaissance role.

(12) All three were flown on actual recon missions.

(13) Although the new fighter/interceptor was capable of performing its designed mission, it was decided the need for the new fighter was no longer there. So, the remaining aircraft were cancelled.

(14) The really odd part is that no one seems to know for sure what happened to the aircraft produced.

(15) Only the three recon planes were retained; and the remaining aircraft were supposedly disassembled to recover materials.

(16) One of the test aircraft proved to be very fast, but the top speed could not be maintained for very long. Still, the top speed which could be maintained was very fast.

(17) The aircraft was built to counter a perceived threat from a very fast bomber; one which might well be accompanied by enemy fighters.

(18) One of the technologies referenced in (5) was computer aided design.

(19) The first flight was in September, 1982.

(20) The aircraft used fly by wire controls. During testing, constant tweaking of the system was necessary.

(21) One of the test aircraft was destroyed by fire while on the ground.

pilotal

SU-35 ?

The Raven

I think I have it. It's the F-19 Spectre (designation varies - as does it's believed existence)

Ernie P.

My Feedback: (3)

I think I have it. It's the F-19 Spectre (designation varies - as does it's believed existence)
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Excellent! Yes, the Northrop-Loral F-19A Specter. Actually; I was one clue away from giving away the game, but you saved me the trouble. Although the F-19 has never been publicly acknowledged, there is a considerable body of evidence in favor of its existence. I was doing some reading of what's been claimed and debated a few weeks back, came across some interesting tidbits possibly related to the project, and decided to bring some attention to what is known and speculated. It really is a very interesting story. I hope I can be forgiven for possibly leading you all astray on a wild goose chase, but thought you might like to see some of the story. Real or not, it makes an interesting read. Okay, The Raven; you are up! What is your question? Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What warbird do I describe?

Clues:

(1) This plane grew out of a government request to several aircraft companies, to develop experimental designs for a new aircraft.

(2) After all the designs were evaluated, the contract to produce that aircraft was awarded to one company. This was done, despite another rival company developing some very promising design concepts, This decision was based largely upon experience the successful company had developed in very specialized areas.

(3) Nevertheless, the unsuccessful company (which had developed the promising design concepts), kept their design team together, and continued to refine the design. A continuing development contract, to further develop the experimental design, was awarded.

(4) A perceived need for a new, high speed interceptor resulted in another design competition. This time, the improved and further developed design from the previously unsuccessful company was selected.

(5) This interceptor was to make use of recently developed and new technologies; in both the design of the aircraft and the way in which the aircraft was designed.

(6) A handful of aircraft, all but one being flyable, were build and flight tested. After testing, an initial production run of fighters was ordered.

(7) After the test period, all the actual flying aircraft were scrapped. Only the non-flying mockup was preserved.

(8) Difficulty in obtaining materials created a lot of difficulties in producing the ordered aircraft.

(9) Although the program was pretty much on track (budget, aircraft performance, etc), the company was unable to provide the agreed number of fighters, in the timeframe mandated.

(10) In the end, only 15 aircraft were produced by the deadline. Another ten were eventually produced.

(11) Three of the aircraft were reconfigured to serve a reconnaissance role.

(12) All three were flown on actual recon missions.

(13) Although the new fighter/interceptor was capable of performing its designed mission, it was decided the need for the new fighter was no longer there. So, the remaining aircraft were cancelled.

(14) The really odd part is that no one seems to know for sure what happened to the aircraft produced.

(15) Only the three recon planes were retained; and the remaining aircraft were supposedly disassembled to recover materials.

(16) One of the test aircraft proved to be very fast, but the top speed could not be maintained for very long. Still, the top speed which could be maintained was very fast.

(17) The aircraft was built to counter a perceived threat from a very fast bomber; one which might well be accompanied by enemy fighters.

(18) One of the technologies referenced in (5) was computer aided design.

(19) The first flight was in September, 1982.

(20) The aircraft used fly by wire controls. During testing, constant tweaking of the system was necessary.

(21) One of the test aircraft was destroyed by fire while on the ground.

(22) Certain contracts, patents and orders for materials have been acknowledged. What has never been acknowledged is the actual existence of the aircraft.

Answer: The Northrop-Loral F-19A Specter.

The Northrop-Loral F-19A Specter is a next-generation, high-speed fighter-interceptor using advanced stealth technology. Begun during the XST design shootout in the late 1970s, the Specter grew from the same seed as the F-117 stealth fighter, but diverged as Northrop developed higher performance technologies. Numerous Specter airframes were produced, although the project was never officially accepted by the military for general military action. Any remaining Specters (refitted as RF-19 fighter-reconnaisance) remain highly classified and their operations are unknown.

Northrop was one of five companies in 1977 requested by DARPA to provide white-sheets for the development of the XST: the "Experimental Survivable Testbed." These designs were intended as proof-of-concept, and 1/3 scale models were tested for radar reflectivity. Northrop, using technical strategies known at the time, went with a faceted design much as Lockheed did but focusing on frontal cross-section (flying into combat being more dangerous than exiting). Lockheed was already an expert at operating under a top-secret cloak, but Northrop had to re-learn processes from the ground. Although Northrop's design showed some greater strengths than the Lockheed stealth aircraft, the contract went to Lockheed.

Northrop's developments and new veil-of-secrecy policies did not go to waste; the XST team was kept in place, and development began on further advanced stealth technologies under an open-ended DARPA experimental contract. In compliance with FTC securities laws, an exceedingly short press release was made, announcing the stealth contract, but then silence was achieved.

The faceted angles of Lockheed's designs were a simple method for designing a low-radar-profile aircraft; without flat surfaces perpendicular to the radar source, reflections would not be detected. Northrop designer Fred Oshira developed a new technique for designing low radar reflectivity called the "Source Distribution Technique." This complex method of calculating the positive radar reflectivity of a curved surface was highly accurate, but difficult to calculate by hand and required computer aided design assistance. While the concept was around before the XST competition, by the early 1980s the technique was in full use. Lockheed continued their production of the highly faceted F-117 (and largely continuing in the YF-22 Raptor), but Northrop diverged into curvier designs seen in the F-19, B-2 Bomber, and YF-23 attack fighter.

In the early 1980s, there were still great concerns in the military regarding Soviet supersonic bombers reaching American soil. The USSR's newly-developed supersonic TU-160, a variable-geometry supersonic bomber comparable to (but exceeding in speed and size) the US' B1 bomber, was a formidable threat. The US had high-speed interceptor aircraft, but the advancement of radar technology and the possibility of being confronted by guard aircraft (such as the agile SU-27) before having the opportunity to attack an approaching bomber, DARPA returned to the XST competitors for potential designs. Lockheed provided an advanced version of the F-117, but did not meet specifications; General Dynamics' aircraft division was producing the F-16 and declined, and Grumman was experiencing financial difficulties so could not participate. Northrop had proved their abilities during the Tacit Blue tests, so the contract went to Northdrop almost by default. In May 1981 Northrop-Loral was awarded the contract for a high-speed interceptor fighter.

Six F-19 testbed airframes were built (only five were flightworthy), and the first, test craft #2, flew at Groom Lake on 14 September 1982. Initial flights were promising, but tweaking of the fly-by-wire controls were necessary most every time. Test aircraft #4 was lost on the ground due to fire, resulting in a change in the fuel hosing in all five remaining aircraft. Test aircraft #5 hit a top speed of Mach 3.1, but was unable to sustain the speed for very long. An effective top speed of mach 2.5 was determined, slightly lower than predicted but still above the specifications' top speed of mach 2.0.

The results were presented to select members of Congress, Air Force officials, and DARPA representatives, on 18 June 1983. The project was deemed a success, and 50 F-19 aircraft were ordered for delivery by the end of 1985.

The remaining flightworthy F-19s were scrapped, while the non-flying test craft #1 was given to the Longmont Aircraft Museum in Longmont, Nebraska, the hometown of test pilot Jon Green, the first pilot to fly the F-19.

Acquiring the unique materials used in the construction of the RAM coating on the aircraft proved troublesome. While the project remained only slightly over budget, the timeframe was becoming unattainable. Northrop took a five million dollar penalty and delivered only 15 F-19s by the end of 1985. All but three were delivered to 17th Fighter Squadron "Black Falcons" wing. The remaining three aircraft, delivered to the 9th Reconnaissance Wing, were fitted with reconnaissance equipment and relabeled RF-19; two were flown during the later days of the Iran-Iraq War, and one flew over Afghanistan in 1988 to monitor Russia's military presence in the region.

With Gorbachev's ascension into Soviet leadership in 1985, the beginning of the fall of the USSR began. Ten more F-19 Specters were delivered in 1986 and 1987 (these got the "A" designtion, due to an engine upgrade), but as Russia's ongoing destabilization continued it became clear that supersonic bombers were not the threat they had been in the 1970s. The team of Northrop and Boeing (with Loral contributing as a subcontractor) had produced the B-2 Spirit bomber using technology honed during the design of the F-19, thus bringing the count to three super-secret stealth projects in production despite the declining threat of the Soviet Union. As a concession to continuing the F-117 and the B-2, the F-19 contract was terminated after delivery of only half the initial order.


DARPA and Northrop now had several problems: the project was started and ended in complete secrecy; the excesses of Regan-era military spending were beginning to draw criticisms, and a sudden announcement of a very expensive, useless, and now terminated project would look bad; terms of the contract allowed Northrop to demand reparations for the incomplete contract, but a lawsuit would draw attention to the secret project. An agreement was made, buying out the remainder of Northrop's contract, while maintaining total secrecy.

The Air Force, while flying the aircraft secretly stateside, had not publicly recognized the existence of the F-19 Specter yet, and with the termination of the contract they had no plans to do so. The three reconnaissance craft were transfered to CIA control, but the rest were dismantled for the expensive and recyclable carbon-fiber parts.

The Raven

Ok, here's one I haven't seen in this quiz before...

1. Developed before the start of WWII.
2. There was a civilian and military applications of me. We're looking at the military applications.
3. Derived from a one model, I may be known by several names over time.
4. Whilst not the first of my type, I was somewhat successful in a modified role.
5. No other aircraft of my type operates today!
6. Other countries adopted this concept during WWII, with limited success.

The Raven

I found some claimed photos of it. One site even had a Google Earth pic (conveniently vague on specific location) showing two airframes at Davis Monthan boneyard. Given most of the other pics were blurry or obviously editted, I suspect the Google Earth pic is fake.

perttime

According to http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread897072/pg1 :
"""Yes photoshop. The image appeared during 2009. The original Google Earth images from 2009 don't have the two 'F-19' aircraft. There was debate on some of the military enthusiast forums during 2009. The original GE footage just shows the normal aircraft at the desert storage base."""

This one makes it look real:
http://www.infomercantile.com/-/Nort..._F-19A_Specter
(in "Category: Fiction")

The Raven

Ok, here's one I haven't seen in this quiz before...

1. Developed before the start of WWII.
2. There was a civilian and military applications of me. We're looking at the military applications.
3. Derived from a one model, I may be known by several names over time.
4. Whilst not the first of my type, I was somewhat successful in a modified role.
5. No other aircraft of my type operates today!
6. Other countries adopted this concept during WWII, with limited success.
7. I was derived from a bomber AND still able to support the original bombing role without problems.

Ernie P.

My Feedback: (3)

That's got to be an interesting aircraft. Not many aircraft developed before WWII are still operational today. I'm going to be away for a few days, so you guys have fun with this one. Thanks; Ernie P.

The Raven

Ok, here's one I haven't seen in this quiz before...

1. Developed before the start of WWII.
2. There was a civilian and military applications of me. We're looking at the military applications.
3. Derived from a one model, I may be known by several names over time.
4. Whilst not the first of my type, I was somewhat successful in a modified role.
5. No other aircraft of my type operates today! (additional: No-one operates like this today, at least that I know of)
6. Other countries adopted this concept during WWII, with limited success.
7. I was derived from a bomber AND still able to support the original bombing role without problems.
8. Depending on version/configuration I carried different numbers of engines!
9. At least six different combinations of existed, and 12 sub-variants!
10. I've destroyed multiple ground targets, and several fighter aircraft.
11. The original/first variant flew in 1931 with the last being in 1942.
12. One pilot is recorded as having died during a test flight accident.

Burt Reynolds

Heinkel He 59?

Burt Reynolds

Curtiss A-12 Shrike?

The Raven

Good Guesses but unfortunately not correct. I'll post a few more clues later.

Burt Reynolds

He-70 ?

The Raven

1. Developed before the start of WWII.
2. There was a civilian and military applications of me. We're looking at the military applications.
3. Derived from a one model, I may be known by several names over time.
4. Whilst not the first of my type, I was somewhat successful in a modified role.
5. No other aircraft of my type operates today! (additional: No-one operates like this today, at least that I know of)
6. Other countries adopted this concept during WWII, with limited success.
7. I was derived from a bomber AND still able to support the original bombing role without problems.
8. Depending on version/configuration I carried different numbers of engines!
9. At least six different combinations of existed, and 12 sub-variants!
10. I've destroyed multiple ground targets, and several fighter aircraft.
11. The original/first variant flew in 1931 with the last being in 1942.
12. One pilot is recorded as having died during a test flight accident.
13. Here's an important clue: Depending on version/configuration (see 8-9) I would have multiple engines, multiple wings, and multiple pilots.