BJ64

double posted... sorry

BJ

kwik

Regarding flaps; Just make sure that when servo-tester says zero degrees output ( Edit; zero meaning 1500 ms), the flaps are about hafway extended.

On the MSA-10 you can invert the direction of the servo by pushing a button. On all 4 servos. Individually.

So, just push the button if the servo goes the wrong way. For all 4 servos.

Then, on the MSA-10 you can adjust max and min flaps degrees on all 4 servos, individually by, again, pushing a button.

One output, goes from the servo tester ( Or Rx flaps channel) to the MSA-10.

Four cables goes from the MSA-10 to the 4 servos. The MSA-10 can rest in the center-section of the wing.

I find a box like that with button input much better than when you have to adjust the max-min using a screwdriver on a potensiometer.
( Some of the units out there has that adjustment setup)

The potensiometer can change setting if low quality, if subjected to vibrations. Buttons, they don't change.

Mr_Grump

Hey Kwik

When you say zero degrees output, do you mean centered? Like 1500ms on a Hitek programmer?

kwik

Yes, sorry, that is what I mean. 1500ms. Minimum is 1000ms, max is 2000ms. So middle point is 1500.
( Or zero degrees in my little world, where I imagine minimum is negative, and maximum is positive, so middle point is zero.
It is, of course, much better to talk about ms)

I like to use the Hitec 645 MG servos, and they cannot be programmed , so the MSA-10 is nice.

I guess, if you are using SBUS and digital servos, it is another story, but I haven't made that step yet.

Old habits, difficult to change.....

Mr_Grump

Thought that's what you meant. I just wanted to be sure. I posted earlier saying I used 645's but it was 5645MG's. I'm convinced I didn't set them up properly so thanks for clearing it up.

BJ64

The MSA-10 - it's made by Futaba, yah?

Does that mean that it's restricted to work with only Futaba Rx's, or will it work fine with a JR/Spektrum Rx too?

I'm guessing that it does, but I just want to be sure there isn't any sneaky proprietry stuff going on whereby the output of a JR/Spek Rx Flap channel won't drive the Futaba box properly...

BJ

BJ64

I'm really interested in hearing more about the MSA-10 - just need to know it will work hooked up to a JR/Spektrum Rx.

Any advice...?

BJ

Duplicator41

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Why would you want an MSA-10 for your JR/Spektrum system when the Matchbox is for them and does exactly the same thing at a better cost?

Cheers,

BJ64

Good question...

Just that the MSA-10 sounded a bit better by the way the guys were describing it's 'features'...

BJ

BJ64

Darn.. you guys State Side have it so good.

Decided to go for a JR Matchbox, seeing as all my gear is JR/Spektrum (and the price difference MSA-10 v's JR Matchbox in the USofA is like 10 bucks).

But... down here... what you can get for US$70-ish goes for around AU$110 (up to AU$150) locally [X(]

I tried o/s - one site asked $70 for the unit.... but then $80 for the postage. Are you freakin kidding me? It wieghs not much more than 5 sheets of photocopier paper and almost fits inside a Coke bottle-top.

I found another US site with a similar price... but they won't ship outside US/Canada/Mexico.

Frustrating as all hell sometimes...

BJ

kwik

Strange. I buy lots of stuff from Tower Hobbies. And the distance from USA to Norway isnt short either.

Anyway, you have my symphaties. []

BJ64

Tower don't seem to stock the JR Matchbox - otherwise I would have already bought one from them

They do, however, carry the Futaba MSA-10...

BJ

kwik

I looked through the operating manual of the Matchbox. Its instructions are exactly equal to the MSA-10.

What happens when you set the switch to 1-4 and 5-8 etc is equal.

Of course the servo doesnt know whether its a Matchbox or an MSA-10 that is sending the pulse-train to it.

Both sends pulses between 1 and 2 milliseconds. So whether one is buying a Matchbox or a MSA-10 is just a matter of "taste".

The fact that the functionality is exactly equal, makes one wonder whether the internals comes from the same sub-supplier?

Same IC and same software.....? but the box is just a bit different.....?

It might be just like when you are buying a TV....the display, Ram, IC's, they all come from the same two or 3 factories in China, Taiwan,
Phillipines.....and then you have a different plastic box around it, and a different label on the front.......

Anyway, I think you will be just as good with the Matchbox as with the MSA-10.

The reason for my posting in the first-place was to indicate that using such a box on the center-section will spare you from a LOT
of hassle when installing flaps. And the Matchbox looks very nice too, I just had'nt heard about it before. I might be starting using it instead myself
now , because of the price difference.

I have a Futaba 10C radio for my ESM Corsair, but use Hitec 645MG servos in it ( and some Futabas) and might buy some Matchbox'es from now on, too.

( Thanks to Duplicator41 )

BJ64

I was going on previous advice to keep all my stuff JR - seeing as my Tx and Rx's are all JR/Spektrum.

I just seems easier to get my hands on an MSA-10 down here - though I'll keep looking for a Matchbox (at a reasonable price - 80 bucks postage for something that costs about $70 and weighs next to nothing is a bit rich).

They both sound like they will do the same job, and probably run the same internals and come out of the same factory as you've suggested.

The only reservation I had about an MSA-10 was if it had to be hooked up to a Futaba Rx... but you've indicated that they should both use pulses between 1 & 2 milliseconds.

I'll keep looking for a reasonable price (and availabilty).

Thx for your advice

BJ

trent smith

Hey BJ have a look at smartfly as they have a device that does what you want. I think its called an Equalizer 3D or something like that and a hobby shop in Melbourne can get them easily. Cheers Trent.

BJ64

Heya Trent - howya doin?

Been slowly getting stuck into that marvellous Corsair

Plenty of servos to install in that thing [X(]

But I'm getting better at it.

I'm in two minds about the donk.

From what I've been reading, the ASP 400 might struggle a bit with the size/weight of the F4U. Been thinking about leaving the DLE 55 in it, and maybe go for a Jack Devine lighter-build FW190 for the Radial (only Jack hasn't replied to my email yet - is he still doing his kits??).

How's your bevvy of 'Stangs goin?

BJ

mmflytie

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Guys:

kwik

Marc, I have had success ordering from these guys. Maybe a mail even though the part isnt listed?

http://www.bigplanes.nl/contents/en-uk/d142.html

Duplicator41

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Try here.

http://www.arfpros.com/category.sc?categoryId=5

Cheers,

patfairlane

My Feedback: (170)

ARFPROS IS WERE I BOUGHT 2 COWLS...THEY COME WITHOUT THE GIRL...I HAD MY DAUGHTER PAINT THE JOLLY ROGERS ON....OK GUYS...I NEED SOME ADVICE...I STARTED OFF WITH THE DLE-111....I GOT COLD FEET AFTER SEEING MY BUDDY FLY HIS WITH A 3W-75.....IT WAS SCREEMING.....I COULD NOT FIND OR AFFORD THE SAITO FG-57 SO I GOT A GREAT DEAL ON A NEW SAITO 300T FOR $300...I PUT THE C&H IGNITION BUT STAYING WITH NITRO...I SEE THE FG-57 WORKS GOOD....I AM AT 3400 FEET....I DID THE SLIDING CANOPY AND COCKPIT CONVERSION.....MY ? IS WILL THE SAITO 300T JUST FLY THIS CORSAIR SCALE OR WILL IT HAVE SOME RESERVE POWER....THANKS

midastouch_73

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If Arfpros doesn't have the cowl you can try YTInternational in the uk. I was able to order ESM retracts from them in the past when no one else had them. If you contact Wilson Li there he may be able to help you. The only thing I had to do was call Bill at TBM to send wilson an email giving him the ok. This way TBM and YT understand that YT is not trying to undercut the US distributors for ESM.
It was pretty simple.
Wilson Li([email protected])

kwik