MTaviat

I have not yet tried my hands on pylon aircraft. I want to know which would be the fastest airplane to get in a kit. I love speed and overpowering model aircraft. Please help. Thanks

Bill Vargas

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Check out The NMPRA website at WWW.NMPRA.org and then click on 424 there on the left hand side of the page

BV

Ed Smith

If you have never flown a Pylon racer, I would suggest that you get something that is inexpensive, easy to build and fly first. Worry about speed later.

Bill offers good advice.

Ed S

Scorpionjack

Thats not advertisement thats being honest! : )

MTaviat

I really like the looks of the racer II. What size engine can this take? I am advanced as far as the funfly, combat, and some pattern, so I am now looking for something with maximum speed. I also like the price of the racerII on that website compared to the others. Would a ducted fan model be faster? I have no knowledge on that line either. Thanks for the replys so far.

Scorpionjack

mt:
Speed relative to what you fly, Think of the fastest thing you fly and multiply X 2+. With the speed of Q-500's and QM-40's are controls only have to move 3/16 and 1/8th total deflection in any direction. BTW this is High rate. Ducted fans are okay but the ones I owned in the past like the F-16 just can't compare to speed and adrenline that's part of racing 4 planes wingtip to wingtip.

I've never seen one fly but everyone that owns a Diamond Dust w/ a Jett 50 and tuned pipe, seems to say they can beat a QM-40.

This is hard to believe but very possible. Your talking speeds in excess of 210+Mph.

The RacerII with a Nelson Q-500 40 will hit speeds above 150 +Mph. So the decision is going to be yours.

MTaviat

I realize that in a pylon race all turns are made to the left. Are the aircraft designed to turn left more efficiently? I see different body and wing styles but what determines the difference between Q40 and Q500? Thanks again for helping an anxious first purchaser of a pylon racer.

Scorpionjack

Q40 is a sleek aircraft, Q40's are nearly 95% all Composites. Minumum weight 4 Lbs Maximum 6 Lbs. Models in this class shall be semi-scale ,replicas or resemble a full scale.

Q-500 is a 3.5 lb box fuse 1/4 rounded edges, 500 sq in constant chord.

AMA has a site and you can get the particulars fro the regulation in the racing section.

Steve Collins

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A really good one to start off with as a kit built one and relatively inexpensive is the Direct Connection Doddger low-wing.

PylonWorld

Is it still available? And if so do you have Direct Connection's phone number or web site?

daven

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I don't believe the Doddger is still being produced. I've built 2 and have one in the box. Although a good starting quickee, they are just not as fast as some of the others.

The cheapest, best flying kits would be either the Racer II, the Dominator, or the Hurrikane.

If you want an ARF, the Predator 500 is pretty good, and still only $110.

Dago Red

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My first pylon plane, a predator---HOLLY COW, i coulnd control it on the test flight. but after a few flights, i could fly it nicly, even backwards in wind, now thats fun.
Id say work your way up in pylon.

JohnBuckner

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High speed RC aircraft, Turbines, ducted fans, Diamond dusts etc. are really neat and fun to watch for a few minutes however they each have one thing in common, they tend to fly in big swooping low passes and huge turns with maybe a few big rolls or loops thrown in. This tends to get bit boring after a while for both the pilot and spectator.

So Whats the big deal about pylon? Well, take four airplanes all capable of speeds at or near those other type aircraft and launch them together line abreast about five feet apart all aiming at a pole only 500 odd feet away and demanding that perfect line. When all of them reach that pole each will be doing a vertical bank and pulling an incredible 'g' load for almost a 180 degree turnaround to fly almost right back at yourself to do that hi 'G' turn agine seemingly at your earlobes to round the last to poles of the triangle course right around yourself. This is a rush like no other. Now you only have to do this nine more times to complete the race and 2.5 miles in perhaps a minute and forty five seconds, the slowest quickee class.

Few sport flyers has witnessed a pylon race but it is worth seeking one out to check out. High speed jets and etc. are incapable of being flown this way or close in and if tryed would just become smoking holes.

You obviously are 'feeling the need' do yourself a favor. Consider taking it step by step and getting a Q-500 and plan to put it together for the 424 quickee racing rules which vary around the country somewhat mostly in regards to allowable engines. This I can assure you will fulfill your immediate 'need for speed' and allow you to get involved in organized entry level pylon should you so desire later that you won,t regret.

As for a first Quickee If you must have an Arf then the Lanier Preditor does a good job however the Racer 11 as a simple kit is a far superior racer that does incorporate all the latest technology and is a particularly smooth flyer as well as inexpensive. There is a report on this forum that I wrote on the 11's if I remember the title is ' A visit with the Racer 11'

Hope to meet you on the course
John

djlyon

The first time you are on the course and go around 2 & 3 wing to wing with other planes (even just for practice) you are addicted. Just flying a fast airplane can't compare.

Per_N

Bill
I can't find your kit there, am i missing something here?

Bill Vargas

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Per_N, the Racer II is located at the following,,,

www.q500424.com/racer_ii.htm


BV

djlyon

Bill
Is the only difference between the 424 and 428 the hardware package?
Denis

Bill Vargas

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The Difference between the two is the wing. A little more work goes into the 428 wing. It has more carbonfiber in it and the balsa LE has been replace with C/F. The LE on this wing is already sanded and shaped for you and the TE is sanded for you also,,, in addition to the landing gear, aileron torque rods and elevator torque rods w/ ball links


BV

SSGSPEEDMAN

Well I just got here a while back as in last weekend from flying

my first Magnum with a Magunm.46w/performance pipe with well

this is hard to believe this bu um..... I have a 10x6

AirMasterscrew on there. Thoughs of you know what I'm talking

about, the reason I put one on there is that the durability is

better than an APC prop on landings. But My dad bought

a "Radar Gun"off of Ebay .ts a cop one that from the late 70's an

thoughs cost about 1grand apeice .But got it for $150. Well the

prop was flexable you know how thous props are well the

prop sounded like it was hiting super sonic but its not really.

Well I told my dad to go somewhere around 500ft. Well in that

dive I clocked !!126MPH!!.......An I'm like !!WOW!! thats hard to '

believe. An the funny thing about it was its not even @ its

Maximum speed that was just a dive. Well thats all for know.

O an one more thing.Is it just me or so far as the body styail of

the Magnum and the Patroit look kinda alike in some ways as in

one EX. the wing looks like a Patroit's wing

SSGSPEEDMAN

But thats just my training engine, the "MVVS GRRTw/ carb" is the

engine for my taste.The GRRT @ first will do 21000rpms out of the

box with an 8x5 APC . Well my dads modified GRRTw/carb will do

23000rpms with an 8x5 APC.

Scorpionjack

Speedman;
You need to look at increasing the size of that prop on the GRRT. Your running a prop in the 25 size engine area. Not the 40 size, RPM's are good if the prop matches the motor as well as the aircraft. (My Opinion is your over rev'ing and you will burn it out)!

Your not touching the potential of the 40 running that low of pitch as well diameter. Increase your diameter 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch and increase the pitch 2-2 1/2. In other words about a 8.5 X 7.5 (or more)with your RPM's about 19,5-20K. Your speed will increase and your acceleration from the corners will be better.

Bill Vargas

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I beleive this engine is to be run on FAI fuel to run properly in the 25.000 to 26.000 rpm range as ilustrated on there website,,,

http://morrishobbies.com/product_inf...products_id=96


Here's the other MVVS GRRT 40,,,

http://morrishobbies.com/product_inf...roducts_id=552


Not sure of the prop size but it is simular to the current Q40 props that are out there now


BV

Scorpionjack

Bill;
Agreed! But to the fact that it's possible to run engines designed for FAI in a Q-500. I saw this kind of lunacy at the Tangerine in 1988 F-1 engines Tuned Pipes and FAI Fuel. As well under pitch the engine to get more RPM from it? Makes no sense! From the day's of racing Control line, Rat Race, B-Proto C-Proto to include Combat . R/C Q-500 and F-1's it really never mattered, you still had to match the engine to the prop as well to the plane. Not all engines run or perform exactly the same there is little idiom's, whether it's Humidity, Plane, Temperature, Nitro etc. etc. All I'm really saying is experiment. No one person's setup is the same for another.

DMUCOP

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HEY GUYS I AM GETTING OUT OF MY RACING STUFF AND GOING ON TO IMAC PLEASE BUY MY STUFF SO I CAN GET SERVOS OR FIND ME NEW-IN-THE-BOX HITEC 5625 OR 5645'S... OR NEW HIGH SPEED HIGH TORQUE JR'S!!!

THANKS FOR LOOKING

http://www.rcuniverse.com/showthread...highlight=q500]

SSGSPEEDMAN

WHAT are talking about over reveing ????

thats what that engine is designd to do.

An besides the speed prop is an 7.2x8.6

for the DD. I don't know if you have ine but

you have to no what your talking about

so you can backup the informanion if you have

any engine. Pluse you CAN'T run any thing over a

9x4 APC, well thats if you want to get on the pipe.

Its cause you HAVE TO be in the 17k to 18k rpm range

to even get on the pipe.