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Losi 8ight comparison to other buggies
Just want to know the pros and cons of the 8ight, how is this compare to other buggies... reliability, money wise, and upgrades...
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RE: Losi 8ight comparison to other buggies
Bigger shocks and the placement of the engine being more forward and centered on the chassis(which gives it a great center of gravity). Not to mention the awesome 4 shoe clutch you get with the kit. That is probrably the biggest differences). Of course theres the fact that its a Losi product, so there is tons of hop-ups.
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RE: Losi 8ight comparison to other buggies
Don't know it's real advantage other than maybe resale value? Just about everyone that was unsponsored at the tracks I raced in Kansas, ditched Losi for other brands. And not many people run them here in Alabama either with negative feelings against their handling and reliability. Personally I have never driven one though. The guys I used to race against with Losi's would constantly break stuff left and right for no real reason, seems to have lots of chassis flex too, saw lots of bent center dogbones.
Honestly never understood the whole selling point of "Its a Losi product" but hey they sell so people must like them.
Honestly never understood the whole selling point of "Its a Losi product" but hey they sell so people must like them.
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RE: Losi 8ight comparison to other buggies
alot of people around here sold there mugens, rc10s and ofnas and got a losi after driving one once, i am new to the scene, but i went ahead and bought the RTR 8ight that 2 of the guys raced 1/2 a season last year and placed top 2 everytime, before the losi they were MAYBEE top 5, some of that has to do with driver skill, but everyone that has driven a losi agrees it is the best handling 1/8 buggy out there hands down. plus losi customer service=amazing, and hop up potential is limitless.
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RE: Losi 8ight comparison to other buggies
Don't know it's real advantage other than maybe resale value? Just about everyone that was unsponsored at the tracks I raced in Kansas, ditched Losi for other brands. And not many people run them here in Alabama either with negative feelings against their handling and reliability. Personally I have never driven one though. The guys I used to race against with Losi's would constantly break stuff left and right for no real reason, seems to have lots of chassis flex too, saw lots of bent center dogbones.
Honestly never understood the whole selling point of "Its a Losi product" but hey they sell so people must like them.
Honestly never understood the whole selling point of "Its a Losi product" but hey they sell so people must like them.
Ultimately, it has the highest potential of any buggy out there. It's so nimble, that many who got used to the sluggish/easier handling of just about anything else, couldn't drive it as fast, and decided to blame the car. I came from On-road, so it was a natural fit for me, as well as people that raced 4WD electrics. If you're new to 8th scale buggies, and you start with an 8ight, everything else will feel slow and unresponsive. If you start with just about anything else, then switch to the 8ight, you'll typically over drive it, then blame the car for your own short-comings.
It's a great car, and tough as any other. Most people that break them, do so by over driving them. I tell them to relax, slow down, and you'll catch up to what the car can do...then you'll be fast!
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RE: Losi 8ight comparison to other buggies
I dont doubt at all that the 8ight might be truely the best buggy out there. But I also definately believe that the competition would have to be REALLY tight for someone to make a notable improvement going from other popular buggies to the 8ight. One thing is that in the prebuilt models they might also be set up differently or even "better" than most other cars, just because their setups are based strait off racing experience (Matt Francis / Adam Drake). Maybe Drake's buggy setups are easier to drive for most people, so the setups based on his input are easier for others to simply pick up and effectively race around the track.
For instance, a driver might have a Mugen or other buggy, setup how he thinks he would like it. Then he drives an 8ight that, from the factory, comes with a potentially drastically different setup that he ends up liking much better. Say he used thicker diff fluid in the rear than his own buggy had from the factory, thinking he would like the extra traction, and ended up satisfied with the change. Then he drives someone's 8ight who had chosen to use thinner diff fluids. He would of course notice is it nimbler, but might not notice a lack of traction like he would have expected from running a drastically thinner diff fluid. Then he unknowlingly assumes it is because the 8ight handles that much better.
Basically, I am just saying that IMO, you can do well with most buggies (it seems like every other buggy out today has won some big race), and that 80% of it is driver's skill, 10-15% of it is vehicle setup (fluids, angles, etc), and 5-10% of it is actually which buggy you started off with. I honestly don't believe that if Adam Drake were racing for Mugen or Ofna in this race, that he would have done any worse (assuming he would have had the same amount of practice and tuning time as with the 8ight).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlg37.../modules/news/
For instance, a driver might have a Mugen or other buggy, setup how he thinks he would like it. Then he drives an 8ight that, from the factory, comes with a potentially drastically different setup that he ends up liking much better. Say he used thicker diff fluid in the rear than his own buggy had from the factory, thinking he would like the extra traction, and ended up satisfied with the change. Then he drives someone's 8ight who had chosen to use thinner diff fluids. He would of course notice is it nimbler, but might not notice a lack of traction like he would have expected from running a drastically thinner diff fluid. Then he unknowlingly assumes it is because the 8ight handles that much better.
Basically, I am just saying that IMO, you can do well with most buggies (it seems like every other buggy out today has won some big race), and that 80% of it is driver's skill, 10-15% of it is vehicle setup (fluids, angles, etc), and 5-10% of it is actually which buggy you started off with. I honestly don't believe that if Adam Drake were racing for Mugen or Ofna in this race, that he would have done any worse (assuming he would have had the same amount of practice and tuning time as with the 8ight).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlg37.../modules/news/
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RE: Losi 8ight comparison to other buggies
For the most part, I agree. However, after having drivin several other buggies(all of them set up by experienced guys that race on the same tracks I do), the 8ight stands alone. It does handle distinctly different from the rest. I'm not the only one that feels this way, in fact, most people who've owned an 8ight as well as other buggies, tend to feel the same.
I will concede that poor or unfamiliar setup can overwhelm even the best designs. I generally suggest that people stick to a brand that is well supported at their LHS. You can win with just about anything with the right setup/skills, but some cars are easier to deal with than others. Take the 8ight for example. I can have the radio tray and motor/pipe off in about 5 minutes. 5 minutes after that, I'm done pressure washing it. I hang it up, let it drip dry, then re-oil all the exposed bearings. The ease of maintenance and nimble performance make it my favorite car. I had a Mayhem, and have a Hyper 8 still. But guess which one's been drivin the most... yup, the Losi!
I will concede that poor or unfamiliar setup can overwhelm even the best designs. I generally suggest that people stick to a brand that is well supported at their LHS. You can win with just about anything with the right setup/skills, but some cars are easier to deal with than others. Take the 8ight for example. I can have the radio tray and motor/pipe off in about 5 minutes. 5 minutes after that, I'm done pressure washing it. I hang it up, let it drip dry, then re-oil all the exposed bearings. The ease of maintenance and nimble performance make it my favorite car. I had a Mayhem, and have a Hyper 8 still. But guess which one's been drivin the most... yup, the Losi!
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RE: Losi 8ight comparison to other buggies
Yeah I think there are enough testimonials to say that the 8ight is probably noticably more nimble than most other buggies on most other setups, but I dont think that should be taken too far and have people thinking to themselves "damnit, I shoulda got an 8ight, then Id have won the finals instead of gotten 5th in the B-main!"
But, since we all seem to agree that the 8ight has at least a few physical advantages, what exactly are they? Could they be applied to any other buggies?
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One thing is that it is considerably lighter than most other buggies. It weighs in about 7.1lb, and most other buggies are around 7.5 and even up around (or over) 8lb!
The extra weight taken off various parts might contribute to the appaently slightly lower durability than most other buggies. I noticed the same trend when I used to race a Losi XXX-NT truck when coming from a Nitro Rustler.
But, since we all seem to agree that the 8ight has at least a few physical advantages, what exactly are they? Could they be applied to any other buggies?
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One thing is that it is considerably lighter than most other buggies. It weighs in about 7.1lb, and most other buggies are around 7.5 and even up around (or over) 8lb!
The extra weight taken off various parts might contribute to the appaently slightly lower durability than most other buggies. I noticed the same trend when I used to race a Losi XXX-NT truck when coming from a Nitro Rustler.
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RE: Losi 8ight comparison to other buggies
Alright I'll put it this way, simply said a good driver could win with just about anything granted it's setup right, there has never been a time in my many years of being in various racing sports where I thought to myself I want one specific brand of car because someone wins with it, its hog wash... I don't know any Nascar names off the top of my head, well I'll say if Jeff Gordon all of a sudden switched to another brand of car does that mean omg all of a sudden hes gonna lose? If the best 1/8th scale racers all of a sudden switch to another chassis are they gonna lose? Heck no.
But just keep this one thing in mind sponsors SPONSOR the good guys, one of the big ones is Kyosho they find all the best guys and sponsor them which is why they win a lot. When I had help from a Losi sponsored pro setting up my V-Spec he pulled a lap within thousands of a second with my buggy that wasn't set up for him at all, compared to his full setup race winning 8ight... This whole thing about "well losi always wins means they are better, or whoever brand of whatever always wins means they are better" needs to stop.
Just to throw out another thing even though I hate the guy now, MotoGP champion Valentino Rossi used to ride for Honda and WON WON WON.. Than switched to Yamaha and WON WON WON.. does that mean all of a sudden I should buy a Yamaha and they are better?
And as for the word best, is just a silly made up word imo, cause something being the BEST doesn't exist. I bought my Mugen for a lot of personal reasons over what everyone else told me to get.
But just keep this one thing in mind sponsors SPONSOR the good guys, one of the big ones is Kyosho they find all the best guys and sponsor them which is why they win a lot. When I had help from a Losi sponsored pro setting up my V-Spec he pulled a lap within thousands of a second with my buggy that wasn't set up for him at all, compared to his full setup race winning 8ight... This whole thing about "well losi always wins means they are better, or whoever brand of whatever always wins means they are better" needs to stop.
Just to throw out another thing even though I hate the guy now, MotoGP champion Valentino Rossi used to ride for Honda and WON WON WON.. Than switched to Yamaha and WON WON WON.. does that mean all of a sudden I should buy a Yamaha and they are better?
And as for the word best, is just a silly made up word imo, cause something being the BEST doesn't exist. I bought my Mugen for a lot of personal reasons over what everyone else told me to get.
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Racers around here are selling theirs and getting the RC8. I think many are just trying to keep up with the Jones and have to have the latest buggy. I will stick with my Hyper 8 till I get done with my Hyper 8.5!
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RE: Losi 8ight comparison to other buggies
Yeah I think there are enough testimonials to say that the 8ight is probably noticably more nimble than most other buggies on most other setups, but I dont think that should be taken too far and have people thinking to themselves "damnit, I shoulda got an 8ight, then Id have won the finals instead of gotten 5th in the B-main!"
Could they be applied to any other buggies?
The extra weight taken off various parts might contribute to the apparently slightly lower durability than most other buggies.
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Racers around here are selling theirs and getting the RC8. I think many are just trying to keep up with the Jones and have to have the latest buggy. I will stick with my Hyper 8 till I get done with my Hyper 8.5!
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IMO it is in the right hands the fastest car on the market. It is not for everybody Kortz does very well with the hyper 8.5 for instance.
It is a fact that Drake changes his throttle servo every race that problem is real.
It is a fact that Drake changes his throttle servo every race that problem is real.
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RE: Losi 8ight comparison to other buggies
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IMO it is in the right hands the fastest car on the market. It is not for everybody Kortz does very well with the hyper 8.5 for instance.
It is a fact that Drake changes his throttle servo every race that problem is real.
IMO it is in the right hands the fastest car on the market. It is not for everybody Kortz does very well with the hyper 8.5 for instance.
It is a fact that Drake changes his throttle servo every race that problem is real.
i guess you're his mechanic because even if that was true for PR reasons that would be a tightly guarded secret and you would not know it as fact...
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IMO it is in the right hands the fastest car on the market. It is not for everybody Kortz does very well with the hyper 8.5 for instance.
It is a fact that Drake changes his throttle servo every race that problem is real.
IMO it is in the right hands the fastest car on the market. It is not for everybody Kortz does very well with the hyper 8.5 for instance.
It is a fact that Drake changes his throttle servo every race that problem is real.
But with that being said I've gone thru my fair share of throttle servos on my 8ight.I know someone will follow my post saying that it's setup and they haven't lost any (foamy). A buddy and I went thru 9 in 2 months. I did like how the 8ight drove. I sold the 8ight and tried the MBX5R. There's many differences. I'm faster with the Mugen, someone else might be faster with the 8ight but something there is no question about is the quality and durability of the Mugen being far beyond the 8ight. The 8ight does accelerate slightly better but I prefer the Mugen everywhere else. I have no problem turning inside an 8ight. The Mugen wears at a fraction of the rate the 8ight does. The Mugen is easier to work on, and compared to the 8ight is much less often. The shocks don't leak and my throttle servo issues have gone away.
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RE: Losi 8ight comparison to other buggies
sorry guys but 3 gallons of fuel and no more trottle servo issue, iF you get the LOSI FACTORY UPGRADE, it wont happen again. i have friends with over a year on there S T O C K RTR Losi 8ights with the servo upgrade, NEVER HAD A PROBLEM, GOOD LUCK PROVING THESE BUGGIES WEAR PREMATURE, LMFA THERES AT LEAST 10 PEOPLE HERE LOCALLY THAT WILL PROVE YOU WRONG.
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Don't take my word for it, do a search on the subject. You've got 10 RTR 8ights at your track? The last time I saw that many 8ights in one place was on Fleabay.
I'm only relaying first hand information about these two buggies that I have owned, wrenched on, raced etc. I'm glad you don't have servo issues, that wasn't my experience, and I hope Losi has the problem fixed but it was too late for our 8ights. Before I bought the Mugen I didn't realise how fast my 8ight wore and got sloppy loose "like an old shoe". Do you own a Mugen or any other buggy? Outside of the 9 servos me and my buddy went thru I've seen two others go first time at the track. Back to durability, I would be conservative in saying the 8ight wears 3 times as fast as the Mugen.
To be more specific, throttle servos was the tip of the iceberg for issues..........Leaky shocks, screws backing out, sloppy A-arms within a gallon. How about how fast the front shaft wears at that angle. Grab your outdrives on each side of the rear diff.....loose, the metal replacement insert doesn't help.
My MBX5R shocks haven't lost 1 drop of fluid in two gallons. I replaced the fluid to change weight and it was still clear. At 3 gallons there is no slop in the whole car except for a little in the upper A-arm.
The original post asked how the 8ight compared to other buggies, I've only owned these two so here's my experience......reliability 2 to 1 the Mugen. Money wise about the same. Upgrades, you don't need any with the Mugen.
I'm only relaying first hand information about these two buggies that I have owned, wrenched on, raced etc. I'm glad you don't have servo issues, that wasn't my experience, and I hope Losi has the problem fixed but it was too late for our 8ights. Before I bought the Mugen I didn't realise how fast my 8ight wore and got sloppy loose "like an old shoe". Do you own a Mugen or any other buggy? Outside of the 9 servos me and my buddy went thru I've seen two others go first time at the track. Back to durability, I would be conservative in saying the 8ight wears 3 times as fast as the Mugen.
To be more specific, throttle servos was the tip of the iceberg for issues..........Leaky shocks, screws backing out, sloppy A-arms within a gallon. How about how fast the front shaft wears at that angle. Grab your outdrives on each side of the rear diff.....loose, the metal replacement insert doesn't help.
My MBX5R shocks haven't lost 1 drop of fluid in two gallons. I replaced the fluid to change weight and it was still clear. At 3 gallons there is no slop in the whole car except for a little in the upper A-arm.
The original post asked how the 8ight compared to other buggies, I've only owned these two so here's my experience......reliability 2 to 1 the Mugen. Money wise about the same. Upgrades, you don't need any with the Mugen.
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I'm only relaying first hand information about these two buggies that I have owned, wrenched on, raced etc. I'm glad you don't have servo issues, that wasn't my experience, and I hope Losi has the problem fixed but it was too late for our 8ights. Before I bought the Mugen I didn't realise how fast my 8ight wore and got sloppy loose "like an old shoe". Do you own a Mugen? Outside of the 9 servos me and my buddy went thru I've seen two others go first time at the track. Back to durability, I would be conservative in saying the 8ight wears 3 times as fast as the Mugen.
To be more specific, throttle servos was the tip of the iceberg for issues..........Leaky shocks, screws backing out, sloppy A-arms within a gallon. How about how fast the front shaft wears at that angle. Grab your outdrives on each side of the rear diff.....loose, the metal replacement insert doesn't help.
My MBX5R shocks haven't lost 1 drop of fluid in two gallons. I replaced the fluid to change weight and it was still clear. At 3 gallons there is no slop in the whole car except for a little in the upper A-arm.
The original post asked how the 8ight compared to other buggies, I've only owned these two so here's my experience......reliability 2 to 1 the Mugen. Money wise about the same. Upgrades, you don't need any with the Mugen.
I'm only relaying first hand information about these two buggies that I have owned, wrenched on, raced etc. I'm glad you don't have servo issues, that wasn't my experience, and I hope Losi has the problem fixed but it was too late for our 8ights. Before I bought the Mugen I didn't realise how fast my 8ight wore and got sloppy loose "like an old shoe". Do you own a Mugen? Outside of the 9 servos me and my buddy went thru I've seen two others go first time at the track. Back to durability, I would be conservative in saying the 8ight wears 3 times as fast as the Mugen.
To be more specific, throttle servos was the tip of the iceberg for issues..........Leaky shocks, screws backing out, sloppy A-arms within a gallon. How about how fast the front shaft wears at that angle. Grab your outdrives on each side of the rear diff.....loose, the metal replacement insert doesn't help.
My MBX5R shocks haven't lost 1 drop of fluid in two gallons. I replaced the fluid to change weight and it was still clear. At 3 gallons there is no slop in the whole car except for a little in the upper A-arm.
The original post asked how the 8ight compared to other buggies, I've only owned these two so here's my experience......reliability 2 to 1 the Mugen. Money wise about the same. Upgrades, you don't need any with the Mugen.
Ya dude the new 8ights don't do any of that. The shock leaking was fixed ALONG time ago. Maybe you should only offer advice if you know what your talking about. From your post you switched cars good for you, but that doesn't mean those problems are still present on the eight.
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Dude?.....The shock fix and servo band-aid came after I sold mine, read my post I stated that. The rest of the issues are still there. Dude, I owned my 8ight for a season and put 5 gallons thru it, I know what I'm talking about. Until I bought another buggy I didn't know how quickly my 8ight wore because I had no comparison.
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anyone that had issues (me for instance) with everything you said, should have called horizon hobby, like i did, get all the updates, like i did, and now i have no issues, as far as getting "sloppy" i am ***ing that, do you even take care of your cars?
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My MBX5R shocks haven't lost 1 drop of fluid in two gallons. I replaced the fluid to change weight and it was still clear. At 3 gallons there is no slop in the whole car except for a little in the upper A-arm.
My MBX5R shocks haven't lost 1 drop of fluid in two gallons. I replaced the fluid to change weight and it was still clear. At 3 gallons there is no slop in the whole car except for a little in the upper A-arm.
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anyone that had issues (me for instance) with everything you said, should have called horizon hobby, like i did, get all the updates, like i did, and now i have no issues, as far as getting "sloppy" i am ***ing that, do you even take care of your cars?
anyone that had issues (me for instance) with everything you said, should have called horizon hobby, like i did, get all the updates, like i did, and now i have no issues, as far as getting "sloppy" i am ***ing that, do you even take care of your cars?
Take care of my cars? Man (or should I say kid) you're taking blind shots in the dark with that comment. The care and understanding of my cars both electric and nitro is meticulous. Oh, I don't want to leave out my planes...I've been RC'ing a while.
The 8ight wears quick, you can't argue it.
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The 8ight wears quick, you can't argue it.
The 8ight wears quick, you can't argue it.
Thats what I tend to hear from owners at my track... When I bought my Hudy setup station for my Mugen and whipped it out at the track, a few of them replied "Those are nice but the 8ight gets sloppy real quick, making it useless" direct quote from more than one owner.
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RE: Losi 8ight comparison to other buggies
Here is my comparison if you want to become an ase certified mechanic and stimulate our poor economy then the lousy I mean losi is the car for you. How about the small allen head screws that hold the shock shafts together that's a little cheese log don't you think.. then you have to use the TKO orings to keep oil in them. How about there hermaphrodite clutch design that eats bearings and shoes faster than any other conventional design. Then your stuck with them or KH for shoes. How about the cheap bearings that come in the 8 everytime I worked on it it was pretty much standard issue to replace the bearings or should I say flanged under sized bearings. The slop factor is tremendous everyehere on the 8 how about the rear diff wobbles back in forth in the housing under torque. Then you put in those metal housing inserts and it does nothing for you. I am not gonna knock the way it drives to each his own. I like the way my 5r responds to setup changes and it just seems easier to drive in my hands. I remember when I had my 8 after every run was like another day of wrenchin... I like to drive more than wrench and the 5r does not need much of that unless I am changing setup for other tracks. Well there is my fast comparison on the 8 compared to other buggies.
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Here is my comparison
Here is my comparison
You say it exactly how I hear it from owners. People take this Losi name way too seriously, really. What the heck makes Losi good anyway may I ask? I think they use very poor designs and weak parts, the parts availability is good cause you will need it, they break parts and wear out like mad. While I absolutely adore my Micro-T it is nothing more than a simple toy to play with my dogs and my niece likes it.