HELP!! Choice of 100cc airplane for precision and 3D
09-11-2009, 09:45 PM
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HELP!! Choice of 100cc airplane for precision and 3D
I need some help deciding what to get between the following:
Aeroworks 100cc Extra 300
Aeroworks 100cc Edge
Extreme Flight 110 inch Yak
I plan on using a DL-111. I have to use canister mufflers due to noise restrictions at our field, and I would like to include the smoke system, so the plane will be pretty heavy. Thinking about using Li Ion batteries and Smart Fly or similar setup with Hitec 7955s (or maybe use 7950s and Lipo batteries?). I am not sure how to set up Lipos, whether you use Smart Fly or some other system.
I will be flying about half precision and about half 3D, at a guess. The EF Yak is a bigger plane, will have lower wing loading. It should fit in my 10 foot trailer OK.
Do I need a 9 channel receiver if I have smoke? My radio is a JR 9303 2.4.
I currently have two 50cc aeroworks planes, an Extra 260 with a DL 55 that I put together, and a Yak with a DA-50 that I bought used on RCU. Both planes are great, the extra seems better at precision flying. Both have pitts mufflers, Li Ion batteries and Smart Fly, No smoke.
Does anyone have experience with these planes, what do you recommend?
Thanks,
David
09-11-2009, 10:30 PM
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I like your engine selection but I think you could do better in the plane department. Since my preferences are pretty well documented I'll refrain from naming them. On second thought, I name the company. Take a look at the 35% Wild Hare planes. They already know how to fly, they're just waiting for a pilot to tell them how well.
09-12-2009, 12:10 AM
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Huh... well I pretty much consider AW and EF pretty far up there when it comes to the plane department.
I have flown A LOT of 35% planes and the two that flew the best were the H9 260 and the EF 110 IMO.
The EF 110 is the complete package if you ask me. Quality, customer service, durability and flight performance are at the top when it comes to this plane.
The 110 does fantastic snaps, starts and stops on a dime, and will do anything the pilot is capable of.
If you are going to run an ignition kill (which I highly recommend) then you are going to need 8 channels on your RX or more.
On mine I'm running the spektrum 9100 rx, dual flight power 2600 lipos, unregulated 7955's everywhere, and a two channel regulator for the throttle servo.
IMO this is the lightest, cheapest, and best performing setup I can think of. Cheap has nothing to do with my component selection it just works out that way.
Here is the reg for the throttle servo, I just use a standard JR 821.
http://www.spektrumrc.com/Products/D...odID=SPMVR5203
I have flown A LOT of 35% planes and the two that flew the best were the H9 260 and the EF 110 IMO.
The EF 110 is the complete package if you ask me. Quality, customer service, durability and flight performance are at the top when it comes to this plane.
The 110 does fantastic snaps, starts and stops on a dime, and will do anything the pilot is capable of.
If you are going to run an ignition kill (which I highly recommend) then you are going to need 8 channels on your RX or more.
On mine I'm running the spektrum 9100 rx, dual flight power 2600 lipos, unregulated 7955's everywhere, and a two channel regulator for the throttle servo.
IMO this is the lightest, cheapest, and best performing setup I can think of. Cheap has nothing to do with my component selection it just works out that way.
Here is the reg for the throttle servo, I just use a standard JR 821.
http://www.spektrumrc.com/Products/D...odID=SPMVR5203
09-12-2009, 12:56 AM
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RE: HELP!! Choice of 100cc airplane for precision and 3D
All three of the ones you've picked will fly nice. When faced with a similar decision this year....I opted for the WildHare 35% Edge. I used the DA100 I had allready. Very VERY nice airplane. It will fly as well as any you've mentinoned and is a couple of hundred dollars cheaper. Also, customer service is 2nd to none. The DL110 you are using would be an excellent engine choice.
I like the WildHare airplanes and find them competetive in every way. Just another thought for your decision.
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09-12-2009, 07:10 AM
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RE: HELP!! Choice of 100cc airplane for precision and 3D
Thanks everyone for your comments so far. I looked at the Wild Hare site and they have some great looking planes, I will have to take a close look at the 260, edge and Giles.
I will get the 9 channel spektrum receiver - I have optical ignition cutoff on my other planes and I think you need it, it has already saved my butt when I had a failed throttle servo.
I appreciate all the setup advice, this is something I am still trying to figure out.
David
09-12-2009, 09:06 AM
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RE: HELP!! Choice of 100cc airplane for precision and 3D
Well I think you named some of the top ones in the class but I think you forgot one. The H9 Extra 260 is probably the best 35% precision plane on the market right now. The draw back is that they are a little fragile but I have seen some people beat them up pretty hard and still keep going.
I don't know what the "they already know how to fly" comment means but Wildhare makes a decent plane, actually I should say a good plane. They are built well, the hardware package isn't as nice as the others offer and you have to pay extra for it so remember you are adding on an extra $90 so the price gap isn't really that much. I don't feel they fly as well as some of the top competition. I have owned 5 over the years and flown a couple of the newer offerings at our field.
I haven't flown the AW Edge but can tell you the other 2 fly very well. I own a H9 260 and have nothing but good things to say about how it flies.
I don't know what the "they already know how to fly" comment means but Wildhare makes a decent plane, actually I should say a good plane. They are built well, the hardware package isn't as nice as the others offer and you have to pay extra for it so remember you are adding on an extra $90 so the price gap isn't really that much. I don't feel they fly as well as some of the top competition. I have owned 5 over the years and flown a couple of the newer offerings at our field.
I haven't flown the AW Edge but can tell you the other 2 fly very well. I own a H9 260 and have nothing but good things to say about how it flies.
09-12-2009, 10:19 AM
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RE: HELP!! Choice of 100cc airplane for precision and 3D
I've owned the AW 300 and EF Yak.
My Setups were very close in both planes. The main difference was I have Greve pipes in my 110" EF Yak. No question about it the EF Yak is the hands down better flying 3D plane. It feels like it's filled with helium. Both planes are very good at precision. The EF Yak has a more neutral feel and has much better yaw authority. I have yet to fly a plane that flys better than the 110" EF Yak.
The EF Yak will not fly itself, but it responds crisply, accurately, and predictably to every command you give it.
My Setups were very close in both planes. The main difference was I have Greve pipes in my 110" EF Yak. No question about it the EF Yak is the hands down better flying 3D plane. It feels like it's filled with helium. Both planes are very good at precision. The EF Yak has a more neutral feel and has much better yaw authority. I have yet to fly a plane that flys better than the 110" EF Yak.
The EF Yak will not fly itself, but it responds crisply, accurately, and predictably to every command you give it.
09-12-2009, 12:13 PM
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RE: HELP!! Choice of 100cc airplane for precision and 3D
I have the EF 110 Yak w/ smoke, and can honestly say the plane doesn't notice the extra weight. I'm using a 922 rx w/ y harnesses on ailerons. All the brands listed have their merits, the question is which style plane do you want? I personally think Extras are more forgiving, and make my meager skills look better. I'm an EF man, that said, when Chris puts out a 100cc Extra, I'm all over it! You're faced with a wonderful dilemna to have. T.
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RE: HELP!! Choice of 100cc airplane for precision and 3D
I have the Hangar 9 35% Extra 260 and love it.
My new plane though, I am gonna get the PAU Edge 540.
My new plane though, I am gonna get the PAU Edge 540.
09-15-2009, 04:25 AM
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RE: HELP!! Choice of 100cc airplane for precision and 3D
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All pretty good planes, but you cannot have it all. You have to decide what you are willing to sacrifice.
The EF Yak is a pure 3D machine and a wonderful package in terms of quality.
The Extra 300 is a precision machine that can do some 3D and a wonderful package in terms of quality. I was shocked by how well it flies, considering the weight is often around 30lbs. In IMAC, it will almost always look better in the air because it tracks so staight and smooth.
Someone on this thread mentioned the H9 Extra 260. Great flying plane and very light (too light if there is some wind), but cannot be mentioned in the same list as EF or Aeroworks. Construction quality is average at best and engineering is not as good the other two.
Never tried the Aeroworks Edge or even seen it fly. If it's anything like their other 100cc designs, it is a serious contender.
I need some help deciding what to get between the following:
Aeroworks 100cc Extra 300
Aeroworks 100cc Edge
Extreme Flight 110 inch Yak
I plan on using a DL-111. I have to use canister mufflers due to noise restrictions at our field, and I would like to include the smoke system, so the plane will be pretty heavy. Thinking about using Li Ion batteries and Smart Fly or similar setup with Hitec 7955s (or maybe use 7950s and Lipo batteries?). I am not sure how to set up Lipos, whether you use Smart Fly or some other system.
I will be flying about half precision and about half 3D, at a guess. The EF Yak is a bigger plane, will have lower wing loading. It should fit in my 10 foot trailer OK.
Do I need a 9 channel receiver if I have smoke? My radio is a JR 9303 2.4.
I currently have two 50cc aeroworks planes, an Extra 260 with a DL 55 that I put together, and a Yak with a DA-50 that I bought used on RCU. Both planes are great, the extra seems better at precision flying. Both have pitts mufflers, Li Ion batteries and Smart Fly, No smoke.
Does anyone have experience with these planes, what do you recommend?
Thanks,
David
All pretty good planes, but you cannot have it all. You have to decide what you are willing to sacrifice.
The EF Yak is a pure 3D machine and a wonderful package in terms of quality.
The Extra 300 is a precision machine that can do some 3D and a wonderful package in terms of quality. I was shocked by how well it flies, considering the weight is often around 30lbs. In IMAC, it will almost always look better in the air because it tracks so staight and smooth.
Someone on this thread mentioned the H9 Extra 260. Great flying plane and very light (too light if there is some wind), but cannot be mentioned in the same list as EF or Aeroworks. Construction quality is average at best and engineering is not as good the other two.
Never tried the Aeroworks Edge or even seen it fly. If it's anything like their other 100cc designs, it is a serious contender.
I need some help deciding what to get between the following:
Aeroworks 100cc Extra 300
Aeroworks 100cc Edge
Extreme Flight 110 inch Yak
I plan on using a DL-111. I have to use canister mufflers due to noise restrictions at our field, and I would like to include the smoke system, so the plane will be pretty heavy. Thinking about using Li Ion batteries and Smart Fly or similar setup with Hitec 7955s (or maybe use 7950s and Lipo batteries?). I am not sure how to set up Lipos, whether you use Smart Fly or some other system.
I will be flying about half precision and about half 3D, at a guess. The EF Yak is a bigger plane, will have lower wing loading. It should fit in my 10 foot trailer OK.
Do I need a 9 channel receiver if I have smoke? My radio is a JR 9303 2.4.
I currently have two 50cc aeroworks planes, an Extra 260 with a DL 55 that I put together, and a Yak with a DA-50 that I bought used on RCU. Both planes are great, the extra seems better at precision flying. Both have pitts mufflers, Li Ion batteries and Smart Fly, No smoke.
Does anyone have experience with these planes, what do you recommend?
Thanks,
David
09-17-2009, 12:33 PM
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RE: HELP!! Choice of 100cc airplane for precision and 3D
Just to throw another one into the mix have you looked at the Pilot-RC range?
I have the 106" Extra 260 with the DLE111 on JMB cans. Pull-out from a hover is insane! Its a very light airframe but more than capable of taking anything you can throw at it.
Also very quick to put together almost everything is done for you.
I have the 106" Extra 260 with the DLE111 on JMB cans. Pull-out from a hover is insane! Its a very light airframe but more than capable of taking anything you can throw at it.
Also very quick to put together almost everything is done for you.
09-17-2009, 06:15 PM
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RE: HELP!! Choice of 100cc airplane for precision and 3D
i have seen almost all the people that makes 3D on my field with 100cc airplanes with Aeroworks, they think is one of the best airplanes and also is really hard on landings, etc. EF also...but most of the airplanes are AW. Wow one day i will have a 100cc Edge, i love my little little AW .60 Edge.
09-17-2009, 09:05 PM
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RE: HELP!! Choice of 100cc airplane for precision and 3D
The CA Model Edge 540 CPLR 35% is ON SALE 30% OFF.
Also the CA Model Extra 330 33% is on Sale 30% OFF
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Also the CA Model Extra 330 33% is on Sale 30% OFF
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10-12-2009, 04:34 PM
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RE: HELP!! Choice of 100cc airplane for precision and 3D
I have had a chance to fly many 100cc planes, and the extreme flight yak is by far the best flying plane i have ever flown. It could hold perfect lines, and went straight down about the same speed it went straight up. It had a DA 100 and weighed 27lbs!!
I might get one, but cant decide if i should put a DA or DLE. The dle has more HP, but DA has more RPM. I prefer the less expensive engine.
Any Suggestions..?
10-12-2009, 10:46 PM
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I cannot understand why people want to spend so much on a plane that does not fly any better at all than a 35% W/H 260. It's clear they've never flown a 35% W/H kit or they would not be looking at the most expensive kits as their final selections.
10-12-2009, 11:27 PM
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RE: HELP!! Choice of 100cc airplane for precision and 3D
35% W/H 260
It's just not me ask anyone who has had the chance.
The only guys who like WH own WH.
But hey thats cool they have to justified the their purchase.
10-12-2009, 11:44 PM
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I cannot understand why people want to spend so much on a plane that does not fly any better at all than a 35% W/H 260. It's clear they've never flown a 35% W/H kit or they would not be looking at the most expensive kits as their final selections.
I cannot understand why people want to spend so much on a plane that does not fly any better at all than a 35% W/H 260. It's clear they've never flown a 35% W/H kit or they would not be looking at the most expensive kits as their final selections.
Just out of curiosity and respectfully I ask.
Have you yourself built/owned/flown the EF 110 because it's really damn good, and like I said before I have owned/flown quite a few 100cc planes and this is the one I kept.
I'm just wondering because you say it doesn't fly any better then the W/H and I'm wondering what your basing that on.
I have flown other peoples off brand plane they claim fly as good as any other plane of the same type and I have yet to find two Extras or two Yaks that fly the same.
10-12-2009, 11:46 PM
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I cannot understand why people want to spend so much on a plane that does not fly any better at all than a 35% W/H 260. It's clear they've never flown a 35% W/H kit or they would not be looking at the most expensive kits as their final selections.
I cannot understand why people want to spend so much on a plane that does not fly any better at all than a 35% W/H 260. It's clear they've never flown a 35% W/H kit or they would not be looking at the most expensive kits as their final selections.
Have you ever flown a EF 110" Yak, H9 260, QQ Python, 3DHS Extra 330SC, or AW 300?
10-13-2009, 02:22 PM
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I started this thread and I really appreciate all the advice everyone has given. I now have the 110" EF yak in a box upstairs and it will be my winter project to put it together. I am planning the DL 111, 2 cell lipos unregulated, Hitec 7955s (7950 for rudder). I have a 9 channel spektrum 9100 Rx for it and a hitec servo programmer to match the aileron servos (once I figure out how to do that). Have yet to figure out which throttle servo to use but will put a regulator on that one. Will probably use a Fromeco 2600mAh Li Ion battery for ignition.
Let me know if there is anything I have missed.
Thanks,
David
Let me know if there is anything I have missed.
Thanks,
David
10-13-2009, 02:40 PM
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RE: HELP!! Choice of 100cc airplane for precision and 3D
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I started this thread and I really appreciate all the advice everyone has given. I now have the 110'' EF yak in a box upstairs and it will be my winter project to put it together. I am planning the DL 111, 2 cell lipos unregulated, Hitec 7955s (7950 for rudder). I have a 9 channel spektrum 9100 Rx for it and a hitec servo programmer to match the aileron servos (once I figure out how to do that). Have yet to figure out which throttle servo to use but will put a regulator on that one. Will probably use a Fromeco 2600mAh Li Ion battery for ignition.
Let me know if there is anything I have missed.
Thanks,
David
I started this thread and I really appreciate all the advice everyone has given. I now have the 110'' EF yak in a box upstairs and it will be my winter project to put it together. I am planning the DL 111, 2 cell lipos unregulated, Hitec 7955s (7950 for rudder). I have a 9 channel spektrum 9100 Rx for it and a hitec servo programmer to match the aileron servos (once I figure out how to do that). Have yet to figure out which throttle servo to use but will put a regulator on that one. Will probably use a Fromeco 2600mAh Li Ion battery for ignition.
Let me know if there is anything I have missed.
Thanks,
David
David,
Congrats. I didn't see anything listed for an ignition switch. The Smart-Fly optic kill works great for a switch. That way with the AR9100 you only have one switch on the whole plane. I make a pin/flag that works with the AR9100 and it works great. Servo Arms 6- 1.5 SWB's 1- 4.5 offset for the rudder. The SWB adjusters work nice also. Tires/Wheels 4.5" or 5" Dubro's work good. I'm using a 5925 on the throttle. Now it would be equal to a 7965. I had a 5625 in it before and the difference could be noticed when I changed it to the 5925.
There is a lot of good info over on the Build Thread. Feel free to ask if you have any questions.