CGAV8R

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Ok, a little more progress. I finished up the forward dash area so I can mount the forward half of the canopy.
Aaron D.

Riddle4U

Thanks for attempting to duplicate the dash! I keep thinking of how I am going to do that. My plan is to relocate the existing dash sub former somewhat forward to accomplish it. Of course, I have been a little stalled out on my project for a great time...so I may become expediant and just finish her up as designed. Still...glad to see us improving the model on an individual basis! Great going! - Eric

gmohr

That dash looks marvelous.

CGAV8R

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Thanks guys, a little at a time and before ya know it, it's flying I got the front half of the canopy mounted and started fairing it in. Hopefully that will be done tomorrow and then I'll work on the back canopy.
Aaron D.

bravosierra

Hey guys how are the builds going? I am making slow but steady progress. The horizontal stab and vertical fin are complete except for some final sanding. I have moved onto the wings and was able to glue the two halves together last night without incident. It is an amazingly strong structure even without the sheeting on. Speaking of sheeting I am hoping to get that done in the next few days but with Christmas getting closer, I will be spending less time on it. So if I don't have time to get it all done in one shot I am just going to leave it pinned down on the jib blocks in hopes of keeping it nice and straight until the sheeting gets done. I have changed my mind.....again, on the color scheme but I think this one is going to stick. I really like the look of the "Bald Eagle" P-51 so that is my new favorite scheme. We'll see if I stick with this one. If I don't get back on here for a few day, happy holidays everyone and all the best in the new year!!

bravosierra

Here's the Bald Eagle P-51 in case you were insterested and haven't seen it before. I think it's a really sharp looking color scheme.

CGAV8R

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Nice sceme bravo.
I got the windshield faired in and the rear canopy mounted. I used 5 magnets for the rear canopy so I can slide it back in the open position if I want, or remove it to work in the cockpit area.

Aaron D.

OSUAV8R

Hi everyone. 
Status report... I have the tail feathers glued to the fuselage.. the wing is bolted on.. but I will sand the saddle a bit more, I am not to happy with how it is sitting now.  Rretracts in and work.  I am working on the firewall now.

I will be painting in in the colors of the Israeli Air Force

Here is a link
http://mission4today.com/uploads/dow...g_sqn_1956.jpg
Nate

Riddle4U

Bravo S. (yea I got it the first time), I am willing to bet that is not a WWII scheme! It looks nice though. The graphics are of a style that clearly speaks modern. I have never seen anything close in all of my documentation (doesn't mean I am right). In the late seventies the broken up orange graphic was part of a style called "super graphics". I would steer away from that unless you don't care if it is a real war scheme or not. I am almost 100% on what I say here. The important thing is to find total documentation. You may just like the looks and you do have one picture here...so you would be modelling a real mustang, just not a WWII scheme in my opinion. It was probably a bald guy with money that came up with that scheme for his personal Mustang? Not sure, just guessing.

Mustang Fever

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Israeli Air Force online records indicated the P-51D was used from 1948 to 1961, and this website shows Corgi's scale model of the 1956 Suez Campaign Mustangs:

http://www.flyingmule.com/products/CG-AA99151

OSUAV8R

If anyone is interested in squadron markings for 1948-1958 Israeli Air Force markings.. this site is awesome

Nate

http://www.wings48.com/aircraft.shtml

bravosierra

Riddle,

What did you mean when you said "(yea I got it the first time)"? Did I post the same message more than once or am I missing something here? I know "Bald Eagle" isn't a WWII P-51 but I'm OK with that. Lots of mustangs never flew in WWII. If I was going with a WWII mustang I probably would have just stuck with the Big Beautiful Doll scheme but I like the challenge of coming up with my own markings rather than just using what came in the box. Plus the Big Beautiful Doll scheme is quite popular but I have never seen one done up like Bald Eagle so it will be nice to have something that is different. But thanks for the info anyways. What scheme are you going with? I looked back in the forum but never found what your choice was.

Bryan

gmohr

Doing something really unusual has a charm of its own!

Riddle4U

I am all for you Bravo...believe me! I was just stating some observations. It is totally OK to model a non-WWII version. No worries. Have fun!!!!

Yes, as an edit I must say I am just going to execute the markings I got for "Big beautiful doll". Sorry to dissappoint? I just want to get this thing finished in the absolutely nicest way I know how, short of a masterpiece. I have a bigger project. I do want to do some honor to the kit craftsmanship-wise. If I was doing a true flying work of art (and I am) I wouldn't be on this thread for the matter. The TF is a good kit to build! Enjoy it any way you want!

Bravo Sierra..if the site allows.... when you ask about me getting it the first time.......I am a full scale pilot and Bravo Sierra means Bull ****! So that is what I got! Keep up with the good work Bud! I am all for it, and positive vibes! Now decode my handle here?

CGAV8R

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A little more cockpit detailing. Radio box, battery, fuel cell, and canopy rail done.
Aaron D.

bravosierra

Hey Riddle,

I am a full scale pilot too (although I haven't flown in two years because the money tree I planted isn't producing)but I have never heard that interpretation of bravo sierra before. I guess it makes sense though since it does mean "BS". I just use bravosierra as a handle because unfortunately B and S are my initials.

Riddle4U

Thanks for clearing that up Bravo! You'll accept my apology for thinking Bravo Sierra was an inside joke ( b.s. or....bull ****). Sorry, I understand. If you had intended the joke I was right with ya! I hope this country isn't so politically correct that "Bull ****" is something that eyes can't see? I see it is your initials. So much now to overcome? That is with a sense of humor. I hope the moderators here don't have a prob. ha ha ha! We all ****.....even bulls. I also apologize to every bill and bob smith ever born!

CGav8r...I love your intention there. I thought about those details in the cockpit also. Keep up the modeling spirit! I like it!

Apparently **** is not accepted here. I am glad there are limits, but we all excrete this four letter word every day (with any luck at all). What a funny place America is sometimes? Every time one of us has a bad landing we use this word. It starts with S and ends with T. In the middle we say "hi"! When we crash a model we use this word also.

frets24

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It really shouldn't be so surprising to me that so many of us on the forums are full scale pilots as well as R/C enthusiasts. But it still seems to amaze me...I don't know why.....

Nice work on the dash shroud, CGav8or
Here's a few pics that might help you out on that, as well as your K14 sight if you want scratch one out. The P-51 had some pretty outstandingly visible "troughs" stamped into the shroud to give it strength against flexing. Apparently early on, it was discovered that with certain power settings the dash shroud would begin a sympathetic, harmonic vibration that would translate to the dash itself and send all of the instrument needles dancing. Depending on who was working the assy/fabr line at the time the "troughed" flat blank was given the two major creases and the left/right side bow without a necessarily "correct" side up. That led to some of the "troughs " appearing as depressions and others appearing as humps when the shroud was installed on the A/C.
I chose to do mine as depressions since it's easier to sand out a valley as opposed to build up a ridge.

Hey Eric,
Let's not forget the ever popular Charlie-Foxtrot....
Still got that extra decal set if you want 'em...PM me

edit/add: Note in pic #3. someone painted over the ft measure/increments and stenciled A/C types instead. The slider on this was to set WingSpan so as to properly "frame" the target. Interestingly the K15 sight's secondary gyro and reflex imaging lens were also coupled to the throttle and pitch controls in order to somewhat gauge the airspeed based on a/c attitude and power setting along with a twist grip on the throttle handle for range adjustment.

CGAV8R

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Hi Frets, thanks for the pics. I thought about the troughs while I was building the dash hood. I thought about making a pattern and airbrushing the hood to make it look like troughs but in the end I just ommited them. I am trying to learn how to do all the scale detailing but I'm finding I may not have the patience it takes I was not planning on doing the gun sight because of all the small pieces it would take to assemble it, but after you posted the excellent pics I may have to give it a try.
I have spent the last couple of days priming and sanding the wing so not much to show in pics. I also cut all the holes in the cowl for my O.S. 91 and made some air ducting to aid in keeping the engine cool.
Aaron D.

frets24

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CGAV8R,

the troughs were actually quite easy. I just used the round end of a small paint brush and ran it back and forth, pressing a bit harder as I went 'til it was deep enough to look right. then sealed the balsa again, quick buff with a bit of 600 grit paper and repainted. It was really an after-thought in the building sequence and the shroud had already been assembled and painted. but not mounted.

I guess I'm part of an increasingly smaller percentage of R/Cer's that enjoy the research, building, detailing and flying in that order. As opposed to "pouring something out of the box and pressing the fly button" (though I have been known to do that too!![8D] ) Finding info, pics and stuff like the complete operators manual for the P-51 or manual for the gunsight make the research part alot of fun. A good bit of it is the brainstorming the build and details too, "how can I do...whatever?" and experimenting. There's just a certain satisfaction that comes with seeing an idea/concept become a useable detail or part on a plane...and then put that plane in the air!

The hard part is knowing when to stop (detailing), and just GO FLY!

You should visit us over on the thread that Riddle4U started on the Royal/Marutaka kits...some really Hardcore builders over there...some really good ideas and some great builds as well. Not to say that there isn't a wealth of info in the 90+ pages of this thread too.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_66..._1/key_/tm.htm

frets24

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I've never "crashed" a model. Although there have been numerous instances were the earth has, suddenly and irrevocably, risen up to smite me!!![X(] "Hey! Who raised the runway up so high!!"

Just remember, "a spinning propeller has a tendency to vigorously and violently defend it's space!"

gmohr

Well, she stands on her own three feet!

Riddle4U

Frets, thanks for the helpful link for all here. I am sure they will enjoy the general scale model enthusiasm we have on the "Royal Kits" thread! Thanks for the airplane humour....pilots aren't known to be the best comedians (serious as staying alive actually is; flying planes), when we are funny, generally only pilots laugh!

I was in the back of a training plane fifteen years ago (as a scheduled student observer). We were taxiing in Fl...Ormond Beach actually...and an oncoming plane (on Txwy) caused some discussion between the "flying" student and instructor. I was privy to the conversation in back as they seemed to wonder whether the other was going to turn off and give us the taxiway or whether our plane should "yield". The discussion went on long enough that I remarked from the back that: " .....seems their heading might be an issue for clearing...but they darn sure are at the same altitude!!!!". My language was somewhat more direct, but that is almost an exact quote. Dry humour indeed, but what do you expect from a pilot (true story BTW). Maybe you had to be there.[sm=71_71.gif]

Tiny edit for clarity here.

CGAV8R

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Thanks Frets, I'm right there with you on the research, building and detailing stuff, but working at this scale and doing things under a magnifying glass and tweezers is pushing my limits I usually work on 5th scale. I am having fun though. I'll check out the other thread too.

Aaron D.

Riddle4U

Aaron, did you check the link on the all aluminum static mustang that I think is on this thread? Maybe it is on my Royal thread, can't remember, but it was recent. One doesn't need tweezers on these slightly smaller scale models any more than the currently popular larger ones. I do think the somewhat bigger ones allow more room to add the weight that scale detail can encompass, and they will fly that much better. They are also easier to see in the air....if you don't account for the greater speed and distance flown from the modeler. It all actually equals out that way in the end. A big scale model flown that much further out....looks the same in the air. It just requires a little extra skill to build trully scale models at the .60-.90 engine size (and 60 to 70 inch span). Just defending the once-typical sized scale model. They competed internationally for fifty years! I challenge many modern competitive scale modelers to achieve the detail that these previous generations put on a smaller model (let alone a bigger one). That said, I think that 1/6 th scale will be a favorite for me now. I am working on the 1/6th Corsair which is logged under a similar name as a "group build" here. 82 inch span is just big enough for me. If you like much bigger than that you should look into a private pilots license, as I believe there is a point where models become RPV's (remotely piloted vehicles), and not so much models any more. I have seen some gigantic "R/C Models" over the years. Why not just build a full size kit plane that you need to fly (with your life at stake)? I know you're being a little facetious on the magnifying glass...e.t.c. It ain't that big a diff! I love the cockpit detail you are doing on this smaller scale model by the way, Aaron! Good work! Bring on the tweezers I guess (they come in handy at 1/4 scale even). Can't wait to see it finished!