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What is everyone using for a spinner? The stock prop nut is too short to reach through my TT backplate and APC 21X14. Was hoping to avoid having to change spinners for this project. Will double check if a 20.5 x 14 is any thinner.
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I am using a Great Planes plastic spinner with the nose cut off for motor cooling. No problems with the prop bolt being long enough.
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Hi Paul,
I think many people have issues with getting correct numbers out of that sensor me included. This is why Joe is asking for details of how you have it set-up. Your results look plausable whereas results from my brushless RPM sensor are up in the 64,000 RPM region whis is way off. And yes, the SW has been set to the correct number of poles...
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Hi Paul,
I think many people have issues with getting correct numbers out of that sensor me included. This is why Joe is asking for details of how you have it set-up. Your results look plausable whereas results from my brushless RPM sensor are up in the 64,000 RPM region whis is way off. And yes, the SW has been set to the correct number of poles...
Cheers
Jason.
I use the same sensor. Are you implying my motor is not getting to 64,000RPM!
I thought I found the perfect prop, motor, batt ,esc combo!
BTW Jason,
Did changing the settings fix this??
Thank you
Mike
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Hi Mike,
Unfortunately, no it did NOT fix the issue... []
I've basically given up on it and just use a normal optical tacho.
Cheers
Jason.
Unfortunately, no it did NOT fix the issue... []
I've basically given up on it and just use a normal optical tacho.
Cheers
Jason.
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RE: Himax 6330-F3A Pattern Motor
I hope you are planning to connect the battery pack to the ESC first, and then connect ESC to the motor. I use Deans connnector between battery pack and ESC.
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Yes. to the ESC. I was not paying attention when typing.
Is there any major difference between the dean and 4-mm bullet connectors in terms of reliability and current-conduct capability? Thanks again.
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did some research on current capability.
4mm bullet connector from CC: [link=http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001ASCHU2/ref=asc_df_B001ASCHU21150739?tag=the004-20&creative=380333&creativeASIN=B001ASCHU2&linkCode=asn]75A[/link]
Dean-Ultra: [link=http://www.electrifly.com/miscproducts/connectors.html]60 A[/link]
Anderson Power Pole PP-180: [link=http://www.powerwerx.com/anderson-powerpoles/powerpole-sets/pp180-red-black-180-amp.html]180 A[/link]
Sounds like 4mm bullet connectors are good enough for the motor.
Is there any major difference between the dean and 4-mm bullet connectors in terms of reliability and current-conduct capability? Thanks again.
Edit.
did some research on current capability.
4mm bullet connector from CC: [link=http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001ASCHU2/ref=asc_df_B001ASCHU21150739?tag=the004-20&creative=380333&creativeASIN=B001ASCHU2&linkCode=asn]75A[/link]
Dean-Ultra: [link=http://www.electrifly.com/miscproducts/connectors.html]60 A[/link]
Anderson Power Pole PP-180: [link=http://www.powerwerx.com/anderson-powerpoles/powerpole-sets/pp180-red-black-180-amp.html]180 A[/link]
Sounds like 4mm bullet connectors are good enough for the motor.
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RE: Himax 6330-F3A Pattern Motor
hi all
Please help me to save weight in my integral with MPI 6330 motor and cc hv80 speed control.. (my set up)
I need to save about 50-60 gram and the only way that i am thinking is the prop weight cause apc e props are about 110gr
I am looking for the MPI CF props and i cant find anywhere [&o] does anyone Know where i can find these props? Also need to know if anyone know The true weight of the Rasa folding props with the hub (yoke)
thanks in advance
Padelis
Please help me to save weight in my integral with MPI 6330 motor and cc hv80 speed control.. (my set up)
I need to save about 50-60 gram and the only way that i am thinking is the prop weight cause apc e props are about 110gr
I am looking for the MPI CF props and i cant find anywhere [&o] does anyone Know where i can find these props? Also need to know if anyone know The true weight of the Rasa folding props with the hub (yoke)
thanks in advance
Padelis
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Hi
I saved some weight with a new undercarriage (bolly but zn is also lighter) change every screw that you can with alu. screws cut the one to a minimum that you cant change also take a closer look at you rx. battery .... cut the el.wires that can be shorten...
dont know any thing off the prop you mention
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Also need to know if anyone know The true weight of the Rasa folding props with the hub (yoke)
Incidentally, I think I slightly prefer the performance with the PT Models conventional carbon fibre prop (21x14)marginally faster.
Mine weighs much the same-71 grams from memory.
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Thanks to your fast reply
i had already send email to PT models in Czech guy and he reply to me immediately now i must decide which prop is better to fly. 21x14 20x13 20,5x14 or 21x13??
i had already send email to PT models in Czech guy and he reply to me immediately now i must decide which prop is better to fly. 21x14 20x13 20,5x14 or 21x13??
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Padelis, first let me ask how long does your typical flight last. Second, do you or have learned throttle management or do you just fly "balls to the wall'? Which Class do you fly or hope to fly in? I fly the Himax 6330 F3A motor and the Neu F3A motor. Three years ago when I converted from glow, I had very little direct access to info locally and consequently
made alot of mistakes. I learned that part of my weight issues were related directly to my need own for speed and power___WRONG! I just loved 85 amps and 20x13 props. It took me a while but I learned you really don't have to run 5000mah 5s packs x2. My planes, including batteries, now average less than 10 lbs 8 oz, and because I elect not to fly "big and fast" I'm able use the 4400mah 5s packs x2. For example, with the Neu F3A motor set up I fly my typical Master's routine in 7 1/2 minutes and consume (depending on the wind) 3300-3600mah using an APC 20.5x14 e prop. The Himax 6330 FSA motor typically consumes 2700-3100mah using the Falcon 21x14 e carbon graphite prop. Before anyone jumps in here, I know there is NO comparing the two motors__inrunner vs outrunner, etc. They both have their own unique qualities. Again my lack of access to info and haste to get in the air cost me initially. Bottom line, your needs will ultimately have an imact on the weight of your plane. Also, I for one prefer a solid one peice carbon prop vs a folding carbon prop. Wish you the best and take the time to consider your next change. Everything has an impact on the final weight. All the best__Everette
made alot of mistakes. I learned that part of my weight issues were related directly to my need own for speed and power___WRONG! I just loved 85 amps and 20x13 props. It took me a while but I learned you really don't have to run 5000mah 5s packs x2. My planes, including batteries, now average less than 10 lbs 8 oz, and because I elect not to fly "big and fast" I'm able use the 4400mah 5s packs x2. For example, with the Neu F3A motor set up I fly my typical Master's routine in 7 1/2 minutes and consume (depending on the wind) 3300-3600mah using an APC 20.5x14 e prop. The Himax 6330 FSA motor typically consumes 2700-3100mah using the Falcon 21x14 e carbon graphite prop. Before anyone jumps in here, I know there is NO comparing the two motors__inrunner vs outrunner, etc. They both have their own unique qualities. Again my lack of access to info and haste to get in the air cost me initially. Bottom line, your needs will ultimately have an imact on the weight of your plane. Also, I for one prefer a solid one peice carbon prop vs a folding carbon prop. Wish you the best and take the time to consider your next change. Everything has an impact on the final weight. All the best__Everette
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I was flying one local Greece category not so difficult and not so long as P11 Its my first e pattern plane and not my first e plane and not my first pattern plane I thing i can manage the throttle good enough
The problem with the weight revealed when my os 140rx engine burn out in take off The landing was pretty good but sixth runway, and unfortunately there was a trend that made the aircraft to break, so in the repair of necessity to strengthen the broken fuselage with the paint i had add about 180 gr
Ι have decide to fly the airplane with 2 5s 4000mah battery (1000gr) but i want to fly the plane as possible lighter
The problem with the weight revealed when my os 140rx engine burn out in take off The landing was pretty good but sixth runway, and unfortunately there was a trend that made the aircraft to break, so in the repair of necessity to strengthen the broken fuselage with the paint i had add about 180 gr
Ι have decide to fly the airplane with 2 5s 4000mah battery (1000gr) but i want to fly the plane as possible lighter
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RE: Himax 6330-F3A Pattern Motor
Take Off Sequence
Reverse Cuban Eight
Stall Turn, ½ Roll
Slow Roll
Half Square Loop, ½ Roll
45ο Down Positive Snap Roll
Humpty Bump w/Options
Four Point Roll
Half Loop
Square Horizontal Eight – Inv. Entry
Two Turn Inverted Spin
Double Immelmann, Full Rolls
Top Hat, ¼ Rolls
Figure “Mâ€, ¾ Rolls
Stall Turn, Full Roll Up
Two of Two Point Rolls - Opposite Direction
Immelman Turn
Three Turn Spin
Landing Sequence
this is the all program in b category in my country
Reverse Cuban Eight
Stall Turn, ½ Roll
Slow Roll
Half Square Loop, ½ Roll
45ο Down Positive Snap Roll
Humpty Bump w/Options
Four Point Roll
Half Loop
Square Horizontal Eight – Inv. Entry
Two Turn Inverted Spin
Double Immelmann, Full Rolls
Top Hat, ¼ Rolls
Figure “Mâ€, ¾ Rolls
Stall Turn, Full Roll Up
Two of Two Point Rolls - Opposite Direction
Immelman Turn
Three Turn Spin
Landing Sequence
this is the all program in b category in my country
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Padelis, I suggest, based on the difficulty and length of your routine, that you fly always use a timer to monitor the length of each flight. Also monitor the post flght temps and mah of your batteries. BTW, which batteries are you flying? One more question. What is the total weight of the plane with the batteries attached? It appears your repairs added approx 6 ounces. Based on the weight limit of 2.2 kilos, you may be forced to run smaller batteries. The routine you mentioned above, at first glance, very similiar to our 2011-2012 proposed Short Master's program. Thanks and I encourage you to find other ways to save weight.__Everette
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i ll try to do my best for the weight thats the reason that i am looking for the props weight
My plane with 2x 9650 elevators 2 x 9152 ailerons 1x 9151 rudder motor 6330 (with spinner, prop[apc] but without cut the wires), CC HV 80 (without cut the wires), receiver extension cables are 3970gr
i need 15gr for digiswitch , 1000gr for batteries, and 50gr for rx battery so the total weight are 5035 if i can save 40gr to 50gr from prop and 20gr from wires i thing its ok
I have decide to use ZIPPY Flightmax 4000mAh 5S1P 20C batteries from HC cause none else have similar batteries with similar weight. (499gr including wire, plug & shrink wrap)
If the p11 need 3200 to 3800 mah in windy day i believe that with our program need lower than 3000 mah
Thanks for your encourage
Padelis
My plane with 2x 9650 elevators 2 x 9152 ailerons 1x 9151 rudder motor 6330 (with spinner, prop[apc] but without cut the wires), CC HV 80 (without cut the wires), receiver extension cables are 3970gr
i need 15gr for digiswitch , 1000gr for batteries, and 50gr for rx battery so the total weight are 5035 if i can save 40gr to 50gr from prop and 20gr from wires i thing its ok
I have decide to use ZIPPY Flightmax 4000mAh 5S1P 20C batteries from HC cause none else have similar batteries with similar weight. (499gr including wire, plug & shrink wrap)
If the p11 need 3200 to 3800 mah in windy day i believe that with our program need lower than 3000 mah
Thanks for your encourage
Padelis
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Padelis, you are on the right track. Before you make a final decision, also consider the Zippy Flghtmax 4400mah 5s 15C batteries. They are giving a surprising level of performance plus an additional margin of safety of 400 mah and you may even save somemore weight! Just remember the 10% Rule. See ya___Everette
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My MPI CF 21x14 weighs 61 grams, compare wth 109 grams of APC 21x14. See pics below. This may save you 48 grams.
In my setup: Himax 6330-200, CC 85HV, MPI CF 21x14, the typical current draw is ~62A. One AMA Master sequence usage is 3400-3600 mAh, see example EagleTree data below. From TP5300 10S to TP4350 10S may save you ~150 grams. Again, throttle management is the key.
In my setup: Himax 6330-200, CC 85HV, MPI CF 21x14, the typical current draw is ~62A. One AMA Master sequence usage is 3400-3600 mAh, see example EagleTree data below. From TP5300 10S to TP4350 10S may save you ~150 grams. Again, throttle management is the key.
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Luke, I see we fly the same set up (motor, controller and prop). My question is why your mah consumption is so much higher than mine for the same sequence. What is the field elevation/AGL of your field. My plane weighs approx 10 lbs 6 1/2 oz and if you read one of my responses above you see I run the Flightmax 4400mah 15c packs. Keep in mind, this is my third year flying electric. I started with TP packs but they did not last long due to my inexperience and poor guidance along the way so I started using the Flightmax packs because of weight and availabilty not to mention their affordable cost. I will admit one has to be very careful with them. But, they are hard to beat and I'm still saving at least 8 oz. I typically use 2700-3100 flying the current Master's Routine. Now, I don't fly the "big and fast" style that we've all seen and practice throttle management as much as possible and never "drill holes or fun fly". I feel that we all have spent alot of money in this pursuit and am not going to put my equipment at risk. A couple of more questions. I see by Eagle Tree graph above you can easily use the TP 4350 5s packs. When you do use them and what is your all up weight? I look forward to your response____Everette
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Just weighed mine (Mag Three blades (21x15) with the hub)-75 grams.
Incidentally, I think I slightly prefer the performance with the PT Models conventional carbon fibre prop (21x14)marginally faster.
Mine weighs much the same-71 grams from memory.
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Also need to know if anyone know The true weight of the Rasa folding props with the hub (yoke)
Incidentally, I think I slightly prefer the performance with the PT Models conventional carbon fibre prop (21x14)marginally faster.
Mine weighs much the same-71 grams from memory.
Thanks
Chuck
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Luke, I see we fly the same set up (motor, controller and prop). My question is why your mah consumption is so much higher than mine for the same sequence. What is the field elevation/AGL of your field. My plane weighs approx 10 lbs 6 1/2 oz and if you read one of my responses above you see I run the Flightmax 4400mah 15c packs. Keep in mind, this is my third year flying electric. I started with TP packs but they did not last long due to my inexperience and poor guidance along the way so I started using the Flightmax packs because of weight and availabilty not to mention their affordable cost. I will admit one has to be very careful with them. But, they are hard to beat and I'm still saving at least 8 oz. I typically use 2700-3100 flying the current Master's Routine. Now, I don't fly the ''big and fast'' style that we've all seen and practice throttle management as much as possible and never ''drill holes or fun fly''. I feel that we all have spent alot of money in this pursuit and am not going to put my equipment at risk. A couple of more questions. I see by Eagle Tree graph above you can easily use the TP 4350 5s packs. When you do use them and what is your all up weight? I look forward to your response____Everette
Luke, I see we fly the same set up (motor, controller and prop). My question is why your mah consumption is so much higher than mine for the same sequence. What is the field elevation/AGL of your field. My plane weighs approx 10 lbs 6 1/2 oz and if you read one of my responses above you see I run the Flightmax 4400mah 15c packs. Keep in mind, this is my third year flying electric. I started with TP packs but they did not last long due to my inexperience and poor guidance along the way so I started using the Flightmax packs because of weight and availabilty not to mention their affordable cost. I will admit one has to be very careful with them. But, they are hard to beat and I'm still saving at least 8 oz. I typically use 2700-3100 flying the current Master's Routine. Now, I don't fly the ''big and fast'' style that we've all seen and practice throttle management as much as possible and never ''drill holes or fun fly''. I feel that we all have spent alot of money in this pursuit and am not going to put my equipment at risk. A couple of more questions. I see by Eagle Tree graph above you can easily use the TP 4350 5s packs. When you do use them and what is your all up weight? I look forward to your response____Everette
Yes, if I tight up my flight, the power usage will drop down significantly. See EagleTree data below, both were using MPI CF 21x14 prop. I also tried MPI CF 20x15 prop, one Master sequence usage can easily down to ~2900 mAh range. But I don't have EagleTree data available now. I started to use TP4350 since Jan 2010. I have two sets, one has 73 cycles, the other one is 62. Both IRs are around 1.8-2.5 m-Ohm. I don't feel any power soft down yet. My take-off weight with TP4350 is 4980 grams. Hope these info will help.
Luke
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You mention Mag Three Blades... are these really 3 bladed electric folding propellor?
You mention Mag Three Blades... are these really 3 bladed electric folding propellor?
http://www.plettenberg-motoren.com/german/Zuebhoer.htm
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You mention Mag Three Blades... are these really 3 bladed electric folding propellor?
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E.G. they call the 21x15, Mag Three, the20.2x16(?) is the Mag Seven for some reason, etc.etc.