viper707

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Hello just picked up a Hanger 9 P-51 Blue Nose ARF .60size. I really wanted to know what gas engine you guys would recommend for this plane? Already know about Saito FG20(I DON'T WANT PAY $529.00) NO WAY!! Please advise and thanks in advance.

karolh

Check the new rail mount JBA .90 (15cc) gas engine from Valley View. There is an ongoing thread here on it and from all accounts it seems to be quite a well built and powerful little gas engine that would just be the ticket and then some for a .60 size glow model like yours.

Karol

viper707

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What about the DLE 30cc? Would that be too much for this ARF?

Woody218

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DLE 20cc gasser would be the perfect engine for this plane!

viper707

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Are these out yet? Where can I get one?

Woody218

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Valley View RC has them in stock right now.

Tired Old Man

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I'd stick with the glow just because it would fit inside of the cowl. Damned hard to justify a gas engine in a .60 sized plane.

Woody218

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I can justify it for him. The DLE 20 will fit in the cowl of the P-51 very nicely, since it's a rear-intake engine. And, let's compare the cost of a gallon of glow fuel to a gallon of oil/gas mix, not to mention the fact that the gallon of gas will last 5 times longer than the glow fuel.

karolh

T.O.M, please don't answer [8D]

Karol

captinjohn

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WCB

The problem people are going to run into with these small gassers is the weight. These 60 size planes were designed to be flown with a lightweight glow engine. The gas engine may fit inside the cowl and use cheap gas etc. but you are going to have to put a bunch of weight in the tail to get the CG in a flyable range. Then you've got a 60 size airplane that weighs 10-11 lbs. You might get by with that on a plane with a lot of wing area but wait until you fly that lead sled Mustang. Have fun!

Flyfast1

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The DLE20 may be rear intake, but it's side exhaust. It might be worth exploring the exhaust options before buying that engine. If you are stuck with the stock side muffler or a pitts style muffler, large areas of the cowl may have to be removed and you may not like the look when it's done.

-Ed B.

karolh

That is exactly why I suggested the JBA .90 cu.in. (15cc) gas engine, as it's designed like a glow engine with a Walbro carb up front and weighs just a tad more than a similar sized glow while producing .75 cu.in glow power. In the final analysis it's all about wing loading and not how much power you can shoe horn into the model. I'm done now.

Karol

RCVFR

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Well, sure, if you're talking about actually flying the thing, but look at all the talking points and photo ops that go along with putting a gasser in a 60 glow airplane. That's gotta be worth a lot.

w8ye

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A friend built a beautiful Bruce Thorpe Venture 60 with a ST S61K engine. I thought it was just perfect.

Not long after he finished the plane, he cut the nose back 1 1/2" and put a Homelite 25 whacker engine in it.

The plane still flew and was balanced without any special added weight. But it just ruined the plane. It weighed a ton. You could just see it in the air and tell that it had a high wing loading


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squeaky penguin

By the specs, a DL-20 (with muffler and ignitinon) only weighs about 5oz more than a Saito 1.25, an eninge Horizon themselfs reccomend for this plane. While you might have to chop up the cowl, I don't think it would drasticly affect flight performace, wing loading, etc. He's not talking about putting a Homlite 25 in there, because I would agree, that would ruin it.

captinjohn

What is all the tin foil wrapped around the coil...ect. Is that to prevent ignition glitches? Just wondering.......Capt,n

Tired Old Man

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I didn't have to answer. w8ye and WCB did it for me

w8ye

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The picture is from the Venture web site.

It was 12 years ago but I remember he was getting hits. I was thinking he was using a "R" plug because I was listening to him and fixed up a couple Homelites and went to the NAPA store and bought some "R" plugs. It has been too many years to remember the specifics. After the aluminum foil, he was not getting any more hits. He passed away in his sleep about two weeks after that picture was taken. I suppose his grown kids got his models? I never saw them again. I still have one of the Homelites I fixed up.

HoundDog

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Not So I have a CRCF 20 CC with a pits style muffler and it balances right on the Given CG Battary is way back though.

rc34074

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Weight is not the issue with the dle20 or jba15g gas engines - many of the typical 4 stroke glow engines and even the super tiger g90 that I have used in my so-called 60 size warbirds for many years weigh almost the same or even more than the dle20 or the jba15. both the dle20 and the jba weigh about 29-30 ounces. So these gas engines will not add excessive weight to this plane beyond what any typical glow engine would add. And the fg20 weight is: Total Weight: 30.1 oz (850 g - with muffler and ignition) per horizon's web site.

The issue to me would be whether this particular plane will handle the vibration of the dle20, or the jba15, or the fg20 gas engine or even any engine at the top end of the horizon spec. Horizon says it will take up to a 1.20 4 stroke or the saito fg20. But if you read the blue nose thread in the warbirds section this plane seems to have some design or construction issues and might come apart in the air if the front end of the fuse is not reinforced.

But there are several other 60 size warbird manufacturers whose planes would readily handle these engines. Its a matter of good design and/or construction.

Ed