What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
07-30-2011, 10:16 AM
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I finally got to maiden my Yak profile and DLE 20 combo from Valley View. What a sweet combo.
Kind of a pain to fit everything inside though.
Only have about 32 oz of fuel through it, but it runs like a champ and flies the Yak very well.
Will wait until I have more time on the engine before I let it rip! Yak will hover at about 1/4-1/3 throttle. 17x6 Xoar prop.
Kind of a pain to fit everything inside though.
Only have about 32 oz of fuel through it, but it runs like a champ and flies the Yak very well.
Will wait until I have more time on the engine before I let it rip! Yak will hover at about 1/4-1/3 throttle. 17x6 Xoar prop.
07-30-2011, 01:16 PM
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No. Not a 32 oz. tank. I have run about 32 oz of fuel through the engine.
You're right though, it would run forever on a 32 oz tank.
You're right though, it would run forever on a 32 oz tank.
08-05-2011, 09:03 AM
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re: 32 oz of fuel
flew twice this AM - although I do tend to favor a lot of throttle my flight times are usually only 5 minutes or so. In any case, after 2 flights this morning, still had about 2/3 of my 16 oz tank left. Maybe used a whole 6 oz ! So I can fill once , fly 3 or 4 times and still have plenty of petrol left - absurdly economical - especially compared to a Saito 125 I have. At $4/gal for the gas vs $25 for the 20/20 in the Saito, looking like a factor of 10 (*or more) $ fuel per flight.
Gassers, for years have been royal PIAs, now you've got to wonder why anybody would waste their time (and money) on nitro at all, the DLEs (and engines like them) run so well and are so easy to handle . Noticed that OS is getting deeper into the fray with another small gasser (GT33), but at $400+ who's gonna buy the thing? [sm=wink_smile.gif]
flew twice this AM - although I do tend to favor a lot of throttle my flight times are usually only 5 minutes or so. In any case, after 2 flights this morning, still had about 2/3 of my 16 oz tank left. Maybe used a whole 6 oz ! So I can fill once , fly 3 or 4 times and still have plenty of petrol left - absurdly economical - especially compared to a Saito 125 I have. At $4/gal for the gas vs $25 for the 20/20 in the Saito, looking like a factor of 10 (*or more) $ fuel per flight.
Gassers, for years have been royal PIAs, now you've got to wonder why anybody would waste their time (and money) on nitro at all, the DLEs (and engines like them) run so well and are so easy to handle . Noticed that OS is getting deeper into the fray with another small gasser (GT33), but at $400+ who's gonna buy the thing? [sm=wink_smile.gif]
08-05-2011, 09:33 AM
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.................................................N oticed that OS is getting deeper into the fray with another small gasser (GT33), but at $400+ who's gonna buy the thing? [sm=wink_smile.gif]
.................................................N oticed that OS is getting deeper into the fray with another small gasser (GT33), but at $400+ who's gonna buy the thing? [sm=wink_smile.gif]
Hopefully the Q.C. will be there to back that up.
08-05-2011, 10:02 AM
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I'm guessing the OS 55 and 33 will be typical for their brand - damn fine engines. Saito's niche may have to be the gas 4 stroke, something they have already started. IMO the problem (from a mfgr's point of view) will end up being the undisciplined market that is China. Everything sells primarily on price, anything good is almost always copied - witness whar happened with DL/DLE, and lastly many things are even relabelled - oft times coming from the same factory as something perceived as higher quality. Think OS/Magnum/ASP.
Confusing perhaps but something that is ultimately good for a saavy buyer. Will folks buy a $420.00 OS 33, sure, - maybe for the same reasons they might buy a BMW or a Benz . For expensive as our hobby can be, however, it has always been amazing to me that we are as price conscious as we are. It will be ultimately OS's problem that many of us, for example, will choose to save the $150.00 on a DLE30. Interesting to see where this goes, our hobby is sure changing.
Confusing perhaps but something that is ultimately good for a saavy buyer. Will folks buy a $420.00 OS 33, sure, - maybe for the same reasons they might buy a BMW or a Benz . For expensive as our hobby can be, however, it has always been amazing to me that we are as price conscious as we are. It will be ultimately OS's problem that many of us, for example, will choose to save the $150.00 on a DLE30. Interesting to see where this goes, our hobby is sure changing.
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Zoaartcc, good write up on the Drastik. I like the Texas RC Planes. Built good, however like all cheaper planes the hardware is not very good. What type of engine mount did you use?
I was interested in the 78" Drastik but find the one piece wing a problem with storage and transportation.
I don't know any reasonable way to make it a two piece wing.
I was also concerned that the DLE 20 would not be powerful enough for agressive flying. That means fast and high.
I was interested in the 78" Drastik but find the one piece wing a problem with storage and transportation.
I don't know any reasonable way to make it a two piece wing.
I was also concerned that the DLE 20 would not be powerful enough for agressive flying. That means fast and high.
08-05-2011, 07:46 PM
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Zoaartcc, good write up on the Drastik. I like the Texas RC Planes. Built good, however like all cheaper planes the hardware is not very good. What type of engine mount did you use?
I was interested in the 78" Drastik but find the one piece wing a problem with storage and transportation.
I don't know any reasonable way to make it a two piece wing.
I was also concerned that the DLE 20 would not be powerful enough for agressive flying. That means fast and high.
Zoaartcc, good write up on the Drastik. I like the Texas RC Planes. Built good, however like all cheaper planes the hardware is not very good. What type of engine mount did you use?
I was interested in the 78" Drastik but find the one piece wing a problem with storage and transportation.
I don't know any reasonable way to make it a two piece wing.
I was also concerned that the DLE 20 would not be powerful enough for agressive flying. That means fast and high.
Iused a Sullivan Nylon 120 engine mount. One thing Idid not mention was the linkage for the throttle was made using a 3mm carbon rod not tube and 4-40 solder ends drilled out to accept the 3mm rods this worked great. I also instlled the pull pull rudder system as this worked well for this plane.
08-09-2011, 01:33 AM
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I am starting to make one too with DLE 20, Pls adivse suggestion for the engin mount (which one to use) and any new ideas or changes to make in making one
Thansk
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08-09-2011, 05:12 AM
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Hemant, kitni baar bataya ki HAN2033 by Hangar9 use karo !!!!!! ;-)
Anyway good to see you here.....this place is an amazing resource....
Anyway good to see you here.....this place is an amazing resource....
08-09-2011, 06:23 AM
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I got the Drastik from http://texasrcplanes.com/index.html and yes it is one of the Ugly-Stick clones. Had to go with this one as my wife does not like the decals on the ugly stick.
I got the Drastik from http://texasrcplanes.com/index.html and yes it is one of the Ugly-Stick clones. Had to go with this one as my wife does not like the decals on the ugly stick.
08-10-2011, 08:37 AM
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OK... Does it?? Thanks Brian
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Mine's going into a 4*120. There's a bit of wagering back and fourth as to whether or not it will have sufficient power. I'll be reporting soon!
Mine's going into a 4*120. There's a bit of wagering back and fourth as to whether or not it will have sufficient power. I'll be reporting soon!
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put me in the DLEs camp on this one. Think the DLE too much on a 4*120 -
there is not a 4 star made that is designed to be fast or for that matter terribly aerobatic - not with those thick 1200 sq in wings (on the 120) and those smaller sport plane sized control surface areas. It is just not a 3D capable design. Don't get me wrong, the 4 star series is one of the best designs around for a low wing trainer and even for a fun fly type of sport plane - but that said it is definitely NOT going do any better with too much power. A 4 stroke 1.20 or even a 1.50 is what belongs on a 4*120 IMO pulling that 12 + lbs around with plenty of authority. and even that poking around at half throttle (or less). Even a 2 stroke 1.20 nitro engine is a waste on the 4*120 IMO, never mind the DLE which gives even more usable power.
Besides which, based on a 4*60 I used to have, have serious doubts that the ARF version's structure would put up with any gasser for any prolonged period of time- even one as smooth as the DLE20
there is not a 4 star made that is designed to be fast or for that matter terribly aerobatic - not with those thick 1200 sq in wings (on the 120) and those smaller sport plane sized control surface areas. It is just not a 3D capable design. Don't get me wrong, the 4 star series is one of the best designs around for a low wing trainer and even for a fun fly type of sport plane - but that said it is definitely NOT going do any better with too much power. A 4 stroke 1.20 or even a 1.50 is what belongs on a 4*120 IMO pulling that 12 + lbs around with plenty of authority. and even that poking around at half throttle (or less). Even a 2 stroke 1.20 nitro engine is a waste on the 4*120 IMO, never mind the DLE which gives even more usable power.
Besides which, based on a 4*60 I used to have, have serious doubts that the ARF version's structure would put up with any gasser for any prolonged period of time- even one as smooth as the DLE20
08-10-2011, 11:41 AM
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put me in the DLEs camp on this one. Think the DLE too much on a 4*120 -
..................................A 4 stroke 1.20 or even a 1.50 is what belongs on a 4*120 IMO pulling that 12 + lbs around with plenty of authority. and even that poking around at half throttle (or less).............................
put me in the DLEs camp on this one. Think the DLE too much on a 4*120 -
..................................A 4 stroke 1.20 or even a 1.50 is what belongs on a 4*120 IMO pulling that 12 + lbs around with plenty of authority. and even that poking around at half throttle (or less).............................
So, if your model states a 1.20 glow then the DLE20 would be just fine! Plus, no messy slimer & cheaper in the fuel dept!!!
Btw; there's always the throttle stick to fly moderately.....or lay into it!
08-10-2011, 12:17 PM
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HP figures would bear out Valley View's claim - but is it HP or thrust that matters??? suggest that the DLE with a 17 or even 18" prop is going to do better in terms of loading than what any 2 stroke 1.2 nitro will do. The gasser will tolerate the larger prop better than the 2 stroke nitro for some reason. And then, of course you have an engine on one hand that sucks $25 fuel like its going out of style vs. one that barely uses the $4 stuff
Can't believe these new generation gassers, whether its the carb induction or the cdi or both they have improved by an order of magnitude. The large 2 stroke nitros same as they have been for 20 years....
Can't believe these new generation gassers, whether its the carb induction or the cdi or both they have improved by an order of magnitude. The large 2 stroke nitros same as they have been for 20 years....
08-10-2011, 02:13 PM
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Everybody is impressed when they see the way the DLE-20 performs. I sold the Ultra Stick with it (and he crashed it last week, bummer) which flew in the Winter on skis, or in the Summer and always ran great. I used to have a OS 120AX on it and honestly, the DLE-20 outperformed it vertically. Now I fly the other DLE-20 I have on the 7.5 pound Velox and it is just such a great plane, a total 3D monster
08-10-2011, 02:14 PM
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put me in the DLEs camp on this one. Think the DLE too much on a 4*120 -
there is not a 4 star made that is designed to be fast or for that matter terribly aerobatic - not with those thick 1200 sq in wings (on the 120) and those smaller sport plane sized control surface areas. It is just not a 3D capable design. Don't get me wrong, the 4 star series is one of the best designs around for a low wing trainer and even for a fun fly type of sport plane - but that said it is definitely NOT going do any better with too much power. A 4 stroke 1.20 or even a 1.50 is what belongs on a 4*120 IMO pulling that 12 + lbs around with plenty of authority. and even that poking around at half throttle (or less). Even a 2 stroke 1.20 nitro engine is a waste on the 4*120 IMO, never mind the DLE which gives even more usable power.
Besides which, based on a 4*60 I used to have, have serious doubts that the ARF version's structure would put up with any gasser for any prolonged period of time- even one as smooth as the DLE20
put me in the DLEs camp on this one. Think the DLE too much on a 4*120 -
there is not a 4 star made that is designed to be fast or for that matter terribly aerobatic - not with those thick 1200 sq in wings (on the 120) and those smaller sport plane sized control surface areas. It is just not a 3D capable design. Don't get me wrong, the 4 star series is one of the best designs around for a low wing trainer and even for a fun fly type of sport plane - but that said it is definitely NOT going do any better with too much power. A 4 stroke 1.20 or even a 1.50 is what belongs on a 4*120 IMO pulling that 12 + lbs around with plenty of authority. and even that poking around at half throttle (or less). Even a 2 stroke 1.20 nitro engine is a waste on the 4*120 IMO, never mind the DLE which gives even more usable power.
Besides which, based on a 4*60 I used to have, have serious doubts that the ARF version's structure would put up with any gasser for any prolonged period of time- even one as smooth as the DLE20
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Has anyone tried this 120 size profile from texasrcplanes??? http://texasrcplanes.com/ka12020niaio.html
Thanks loads!
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Thanks loads!
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08-10-2011, 02:51 PM
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HP figures would bear out Valley View's claim - but is it HP or thrust that matters???.........................
HP figures would bear out Valley View's claim - but is it HP or thrust that matters???.........................
good for marketing, sales, and bragging rights ONLY.
Besides, do ya think many IF any actually do dyno tests on their engines for RC usage?
Go back to the first msg in this thread and look over the props section and at the thrust figures others have gotten.
Not THIS thread, but here;
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9863953
Yes, they're static thrust, but far better than HP figures that aren't documented.
08-10-2011, 03:00 PM
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Has anyone tried this 120 size profile from texasrcplanes??? http://texasrcplanes.com/ka12020niaio.html
Thanks loads!
Ernie
Has anyone tried this 120 size profile from texasrcplanes??? http://texasrcplanes.com/ka12020niaio.html
Thanks loads!
Ernie
I would say it's a bit heavy coming in at 8 lbs 10 oz (with? or w/o eng???), but it's doable.
Just don't expect it to hover as well as other profiles in the 7 - 8 lbs range will. Pull-out from
a hover might be somewhat slower, but for basic 3D and/or fun flying it should be good.
08-10-2011, 03:33 PM
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Use the search function here and see if anyone has.
I would say it's a bit heavy coming in at 8 lbs 10 oz (with? or w/o eng???), but it's doable.
Just don't expect it to hover as well as other profiles in the 7 - 8 lbs range will. Pull-out from
a hover might be somewhat slower, but for basic 3D and/or fun flying it should be good.
ORIGINAL: Ernie Misner
Has anyone tried this 120 size profile from texasrcplanes??? http://texasrcplanes.com/ka12020niaio.html
Thanks loads!
Ernie
Has anyone tried this 120 size profile from texasrcplanes??? http://texasrcplanes.com/ka12020niaio.html
Thanks loads!
Ernie
I would say it's a bit heavy coming in at 8 lbs 10 oz (with? or w/o eng???), but it's doable.
Just don't expect it to hover as well as other profiles in the 7 - 8 lbs range will. Pull-out from
a hover might be somewhat slower, but for basic 3D and/or fun flying it should be good.
If you haven't already, check out The ProX 260 at Valley View:
http://www.valleyviewrc.com/estore/6...reestyle.html#
The OMP :
http://www.ohiomodelplanes.com/67fusionarf/index.htm
I've been looking at the Hangar9 Twist 60 too. Inexpensive, and might be a bit radical with a DLE 20... thus making it just right for some?
I'm sure there are others that fit this class, these are just the ones that come to mind.
08-10-2011, 03:40 PM
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Here are some views of the install in the Seagull Sparrowhawk. It is designed for up to a 180 4-stroke, but I like the DLE 20. Fit well, and as you can see, I made a large exit for good cooling. Test flown with a 17x6 APC, and will try a 16x8 XOAR tomorrow or Friday.
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