New Saito 4 Cycle Gas Engine, 3 Cyl FG-84
#26
RE: New Saito 4 Cycle Gas Engine, 3 Cyl FG-84
ORIGINAL: Old Fart
Hi milton that pick up wire would be three strands for the plug wires and the black is the earth? was wondering why you just bought the ignition on it's own when they hav'nt released the engine yet?.
It looks like it will operate at lower voltages than my fg57 twin ignition
Hi milton that pick up wire would be three strands for the plug wires and the black is the earth? was wondering why you just bought the ignition on it's own when they hav'nt released the engine yet?.
It looks like it will operate at lower voltages than my fg57 twin ignition
This ignition is a conversion kit for 3 cylinder engines and RCexl has had them out for 4-5 months, I just never ordered one until i knew what they were for.
Milton
#27
My Feedback: (11)
RE: New Saito 4 Cycle Gas Engine, 3 Cyl FG-84
This is the way Ithinkit works:
The sensor is a bipolar this means that it can trigger both sides of the magnet. The sensor sends to the CDI unit 2 imputs...that is the reason for the 4 wires on the sensor
Black negative, Red Positive ....that supply power to the sensor and then you have the white imput 1 when north magnet it passes and Blue imput # 2 when South pole magnet passes.
I hope that you got the idea.
Now in order to get this to work on thew prop hub you will need 4 magnets.
3 magnets north spaced at 120 degree a part and that will trigger the (white wire imput) and will fire each cylinder in order.
Now the 4th magnet that will be the south pole will trigger the Blue wire. This has the function to count the RPM, and reset the software to start a new cycle . This magnet must be placed after 3rd north magnet and before 1st north magnet with I think
30 degree after 3rd magnet ; this... to give enough time to the PIC controller to calculate the RPM, Reset and start a new cycle.
This I THINK ISTHEWAY RCexel did it and I can not 100% confirm that....But I know this from my experience with my CH version of the 3 cylinder ignition that now I try to finalize and hope to be out next year in spring.
Have to test it first.
Thank You
Adrian
The sensor is a bipolar this means that it can trigger both sides of the magnet. The sensor sends to the CDI unit 2 imputs...that is the reason for the 4 wires on the sensor
Black negative, Red Positive ....that supply power to the sensor and then you have the white imput 1 when north magnet it passes and Blue imput # 2 when South pole magnet passes.
I hope that you got the idea.
Now in order to get this to work on thew prop hub you will need 4 magnets.
3 magnets north spaced at 120 degree a part and that will trigger the (white wire imput) and will fire each cylinder in order.
Now the 4th magnet that will be the south pole will trigger the Blue wire. This has the function to count the RPM, and reset the software to start a new cycle . This magnet must be placed after 3rd north magnet and before 1st north magnet with I think
30 degree after 3rd magnet ; this... to give enough time to the PIC controller to calculate the RPM, Reset and start a new cycle.
This I THINK ISTHEWAY RCexel did it and I can not 100% confirm that....But I know this from my experience with my CH version of the 3 cylinder ignition that now I try to finalize and hope to be out next year in spring.
Have to test it first.
Thank You
Adrian
#29
RE: New Saito 4 Cycle Gas Engine, 3 Cyl FG-84
ORIGINAL: rcexl
yes .Adrian said right, See pictures explain the . RCEXL will Started accepting Ordering in 2013 year
yes .Adrian said right, See pictures explain the . RCEXL will Started accepting Ordering in 2013 year
Milton
#32
RE: New Saito 4 Cycle Gas Engine, 3 Cyl FG-84
ORIGINAL: Milton
The ignition will work from 4.8 to 7.4 volts.
Milton
The ignition will work from 4.8 to 7.4 volts.
Milton
#34
RE: New Saito 4 Cycle Gas Engine, 3 Cyl FG-84
The first ones are arriving now, much more expensive than expected, but still cheaper than Kolm and Mokis;
If they only could add some outline drawings when they try to sell an engine? [:'(]
Oh well, these guys didnt ship to Norway last time I tried to buy from them anyway.
http://shop.lindinger.at/product_inf...cts_id=9702855
If they only could add some outline drawings when they try to sell an engine? [:'(]
Oh well, these guys didnt ship to Norway last time I tried to buy from them anyway.
http://shop.lindinger.at/product_inf...cts_id=9702855
#35
Thread Starter
RE: New Saito 4 Cycle Gas Engine, 3 Cyl FG-84
ORIGINAL: kwik
The first ones are arriving now, much more expensive than expected, but still cheaper than Kolm and Mokis;
If they only could add some outline drawings when they try to sell an engine? [:'(]
Oh well, these guys didnt ship to Norway last time I tried to buy from them anyway.
http://shop.lindinger.at/product_inf...cts_id=9702855
The first ones are arriving now, much more expensive than expected, but still cheaper than Kolm and Mokis;
If they only could add some outline drawings when they try to sell an engine? [:'(]
Oh well, these guys didnt ship to Norway last time I tried to buy from them anyway.
http://shop.lindinger.at/product_inf...cts_id=9702855
Roger
#38
RE: New Saito 4 Cycle Gas Engine, 3 Cyl FG-84
Not me the glo version sounds ok and doesn't provide the horsepower you need in an engine that weight.It's marginal in something like a corsair and sounds good too.I wish or hope saito are taking a leaf out of kolm engines progress and the more personal up front way they sell their engines.Anybody heard the kolm il 135 inline twin growl on you tube?man what a sound and it's in a mk5 spitfire,wish saito would make something like that even for the same price man i'd be in heaven
#39
RE: New Saito 4 Cycle Gas Engine, 3 Cyl FG-84
ORIGINAL: ForcesR
Kwik, your wish is my command.
Roger
Kwik, your wish is my command.
Roger
Looks like it will fit inside the cowling of my Vailly Fw-190 !!!!
I have a Zenoah GT-80 in it now. The 84 is only 200 grams heavier; Meaning I can remove 200 g of lead up front,
and get a bit more Hp ? The GT-80 says 6 hp, and this one perhaps 7?
#40
Thread Starter
RE: New Saito 4 Cycle Gas Engine, 3 Cyl FG-84
ORIGINAL: kwik
Hehe, thanks!
Looks like it will fit inside the cowling of my Vailly Fw-190 !!!!
I have a Zenoah GT-80 in it now. The 84 is only 200 grams heavier; Meaning I can remove 200 g of lead up front,
and get a bit more Hp ? The GT-80 says 6 hp, and this one perhaps 7?
ORIGINAL: ForcesR
Kwik, your wish is my command.
Roger
Kwik, your wish is my command.
Roger
Looks like it will fit inside the cowling of my Vailly Fw-190 !!!!
I have a Zenoah GT-80 in it now. The 84 is only 200 grams heavier; Meaning I can remove 200 g of lead up front,
and get a bit more Hp ? The GT-80 says 6 hp, and this one perhaps 7?
n8622t; the weight is 3,057g or 6.82lbs.
Roger
#42
RE: New Saito 4 Cycle Gas Engine, 3 Cyl FG-84
ORIGINAL: BobH
It's about .5 lbs heavier than the 450r glow version. Difficult to compare power yet but it does have nearly 10cc more displacement. Maybe it'll swing one size larger prop more efficiently.. time will tell. Or Kwik will tell us! lol
It's about .5 lbs heavier than the 450r glow version. Difficult to compare power yet but it does have nearly 10cc more displacement. Maybe it'll swing one size larger prop more efficiently.. time will tell. Or Kwik will tell us! lol
Hehe ! Yes, I have been dissapointed many times lately, trying to press-fit a gasoline engine into one of my warbirds.
Allways a dissapointment, it seems.
-Well, the Zenoah GT-80 manage the Vailly, but just about. Sound; not so good.
-The FG-57 turned to be a perfect fit for the ESM Corsair. Sound; Very nice.
-The FG-36 works very well in the ESM Stuka. Sound; Quite nice.
-But the G-45 and the XYZ 53 cc twin was both a bit to weak for the Sist D9.
Then again, the snout of a D9 is very slim. Still looking for an alternative.
"Kwik; you will be disappointed with this information: FG-84R3 is rated at 5.7hp. "
Hmmmm.....but; When they say the GT-80 is rated at 6 hp, I guess that is at a certain rpm.
Mine gives only 5700 rpm with a Menz std 24x10
So, if someone tested a FG-84, and it gave, say 6200rpm, with a 24x10, I think I would give it a go.
500 rpm more at the top would do all the difference in the world.
#48
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RE: New Saito 4 Cycle Gas Engine, 3 Cyl FG-84
Guys , I just finish a conversion on a SR450 on CDI glow and it runs real nice,
I had a Vess 24B and I do not know how to translate this in a ...pitch 24x10? and it spins 6400RPMs.
The guy did not wanted me to go on gasoline, he wanted Glow CDI ...it has a Kello Creation muffler ....boy what a sound, it idle at 800-900 depending on the outside temp ,humidity and time of the day....but it runs nice, I sent Alf a quick video.
Adrian
I had a Vess 24B and I do not know how to translate this in a ...pitch 24x10? and it spins 6400RPMs.
The guy did not wanted me to go on gasoline, he wanted Glow CDI ...it has a Kello Creation muffler ....boy what a sound, it idle at 800-900 depending on the outside temp ,humidity and time of the day....but it runs nice, I sent Alf a quick video.
Adrian
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RE: New Saito 4 Cycle Gas Engine, 3 Cyl FG-84
ORIGINAL: CH Ignitions
Guys , I just finish a conversion on a SR450 on CDI glow and it runs real nice,
I had a Vess 24B and I do not know how to translate this in a ...pitch 24x10? and it spins 6400RPMs.
The guy did not wanted me to go on gasoline, he wanted Glow CDI ...it has a Kello Creation muffler ....boy what a sound, it idle at 800-900 depending on the outside temp ,humidity and time of the day....but it runs nice, I sent Alf a quick video.
Adrian
Guys , I just finish a conversion on a SR450 on CDI glow and it runs real nice,
I had a Vess 24B and I do not know how to translate this in a ...pitch 24x10? and it spins 6400RPMs.
The guy did not wanted me to go on gasoline, he wanted Glow CDI ...it has a Kello Creation muffler ....boy what a sound, it idle at 800-900 depending on the outside temp ,humidity and time of the day....but it runs nice, I sent Alf a quick video.
Adrian