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Old 05-01-2013, 03:52 AM
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Best I can tell, the OS GT22 is about $20 MORE than the GT33?? ***??

Also the GT33 does not come with standoffs of any size, typically costing another $20+/-//

Makes someone really want to look at Mintor or others.

Larry
Old 05-01-2013, 04:19 AM
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Eh...it includes a nice muffler and rc excel ignition and is extremely high quality, and is fully supported by Hobby Services.

After running a 33 for a while, the only short coming IMO is the 8mm shaft and thats pretty easy to over come. I know quite a few miserable mintor owners that wished they had spent a few extra bucks.
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What I mean is right now, before discounts, the OS GT33 sells for $410 on Tower and the GT22 sells for $400, both with mufflers. Now I realize you need to add standoffs with the GT33 but my basic question is WHY?

Every other supplier shows a fair cost differential between their 20cc and 30cc engines.

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I would look at the new Evolution 20cc and 33cc engines coming out this month.  The 33 can be mounted either beam or stand-offs. If they perform like their new little 10cc they will be good engines.

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SorryI had that backwards.

The GT33 is actually $400 and the GT22 is $410.

More power for less moneywonder how that 33 will work in a 90 size warbird??

Larry
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20cc is likely higher in demand.. its a very popular engine segment. you don't see as many planes/kits available in the 33cc market so it likely has lower demand... and the lower cost is to entice people to buy.


As for production costs on O.S.'s end.. I highly doubt there is a siginicant cost difference in making a gt22 vs a gt33 vs a gt60. a very similar design, slightly different dimensions... True you might have  a slight materials increase with the gt60... but overall I think they likely are very similar to produce.
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SorryI had that backwards.

The GT33 is actually $400 and the GT22 is $410.

More power for less moneywonder how that 33 will work in a 90 size warbird??

Larry
It's not the OS price, it's Tower's marketing/sales strategy pricing the 33 at a very accessible 400. With the extra Super Saver discount I bought my fourth 33, this one at $340, least expensive yet. But even at full Tower price of 420 it's a bargain. I'd bet tho that Tower could sell it for 300 and still make money

The 33 will make your 90 sized toy come alive....it sports 50% more power than any 90 glow engine I can think of. Do you have enough clearance to turn a 20" prop? If not, put on an 18x10 3 blader from Mezjlik
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Is there a difference? The one thing I've noticed about O.S. /Futaba / GreatPlanes and other Hobbico brands is that you almost never see "better" deals elsewhere for the same new product. Everyone seems to sell those brands for the exact same price. You might get a tower discount, or free shipping someplace but the base prices always seem to be identical. Its somewhat noticeable since usually with products you see price fluctuations between vendors.






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SorryI had that backwards.

The GT33 is actually $400 and the GT22 is $410.

More power for less moneywonder how that 33 will work in a 90 size warbird??

Larry
It's not the OS price, it's Tower's marketing/sales strategy pricing the 33 at a very accessible 400. With the extra Super Saver discount I bought my fourth 33, this one at $340, least expensive yet. But even at full Tower price of 420 it's a bargain. I'd bet tho that Tower could sell it for 300 and still make money

The 33 will make your 90 sized toy come alive....it sports 50% more power than any 90 glow engine I can think of. Do you have enough clearance to turn a 20" prop? If not, put on an 18x10 3 blader from Mezjlik
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Default RE: What's the deal with OS Gas Engines

Saito does the same sort of thing W/the FG57 gas boxer twin Vs the FA300 glow version of the same engine.

They are the same price despite the fact that the FG57 has larger bore 180 cylinders, a CDI ignition system & gas carburetor.

Other than those differences, they are the same engine.

It's called "marketing strategy".

Saito wants to gain inroads into the gas engine craze so they price the gas engine cheaper even though it costs substantially more to produce..

In other engine sizes they do just the opposte. They price the gas version several hundred $$$ higher than the same glow version, when for $150 the glow engine could be converted to gas W/a better CDI system & caruretor than the OEM Saito products.

These are decisions made in corporate board rooms & they seldom relate to the real world.
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Best I can tell, the OS GT22 is about $20 MORE than the GT33?? ***??

Also the GT33 does not come with standoffs of any size, typically costing another $20+/-//

Makes someone really want to look at Mintor or others.

Larry

As mentioned it is marketing strategy. The 22cc engine is much more popular and in demand more than the 33cc engine. So they priced it accordingly. The 22cc engine works good in most of the .60 to .91 size airplanes and even some 1.20 size planes too such as the Sig 4 star 1.20 for example. But the 33cc engine would work ina more limited market of planes designed for a 30cc gas engine typically the 1.20 to 1.40glow engine sized planes.

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Regarding stand offs, McMaster Carr sells aluminum hex or round stand offs. I use the 5/16" and 3/8"round and/or hex type with 8-32 threads. Only shortcoming is the fact that these are available 1/2" length increments. They are reasonably priced at around 1.00-2.00 each (plus shipping). One certainly does not need to buy a custom set of stand offs. The McMaster Carr types work fine for most if not all applications.


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SorryI had that backwards.

The GT33 is actually $400 and the GT22 is $410.

More power for less moneywonder how that 33 will work in a 90 size warbird??

Larry
It's not the OS price, it's Tower's marketing/sales strategy pricing the 33 at a very accessible 400. With the extra Super Saver discount I bought my fourth 33, this one at $340, least expensive yet. But even at full Tower price of 420 it's a bargain. I'd bet tho that Tower could sell it for 300 and still make money

The 33 will make your 90 sized toy come alive....it sports 50% more power than any 90 glow engine I can think of. Do you have enough clearance to turn a 20" prop? If not, put on an 18x10 3 blader from Mezjlik
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Default RE: What's the deal with OS Gas Engines

Well, if you want to play the discount and marketing game, I purchased my GT 22 from Tower from about $80.00 off of list price with free shipping.
I'm sure the same could be had for the 33.

Just have to keep an eye out for their discount coupons and shipping offers.
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I just bought a GT22 and looking forward to using it.  I paid $359 from Tower Hobbys.  I belong to the special T.H. club. HA  HA.  I have several DLE 20cc engines and I love them.  I bought the O.S. GT22 to experience  the quality of the O.S. engine.  For those of you who have used the O.S. GT22, how do you like the quality and performance?             Dave
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Tower/Hobbico has a "Minimum Advertised Price" (MAP). All their resellers have to advertise the same price. Lots of companies do it. That is why you sometimes see "Call for price" in ads.
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I just bought a GT22 and looking forward to using it. I paid $359 from Tower Hobbys. I belong to the special T.H. club. HA HA. I have several DLE 20cc engines and I love them. I bought the O.S. GT22 to experience the quality of the O.S. engine. For those of you who have used the O.S. GT22, how do you like the quality and performance? Dave
Have not mounted or run my GT22 to date. But same as you, I have a DLE20 and bought the GT22 to check out the quality and performance. Will most likely be mounting the GT22 in a Great Planes Revolver 70.
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No, there are pricinng issues with os. for example, even their 81a costs more than their 91v

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Default RE: What's the deal with OS Gas Engines

The reason the 33 is currently less than the 22 is that it is part of Tower's "100 Best Deals" promotion. They knocked the price down to $399 for the duration; other discounts like the Tower SS Club also apply, so the 33 is a pretty good deal right now. Wish I had some more $$

FWIW, I've often wondered why different size engines cost more for bigger displacement. For example, the 4 strokes from OS or Saito cannot be any easier or cheaper to manufacture in a .50 size vs a .91 size, yet the bigger motors always cost quite a bit more. There's probably $10 difference in the amount of materials at most...it's all just marketing anyway.
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Tower/Hobbico has a "Minimum Advertised Price" (MAP). All their resellers have to advertise the same price. Lots of companies do it. That is why you sometimes see "Call for price" in ads.
little dealers cannot compete in price with tower monopolies.
also tower want all DLE customers for them this is why DLE company forced all retailers to sell the new engines at the same advertised price.





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