TLParker

After the great success we had with the DL-50's, we decided to try out another of sylvian1975's (Steven) offerings, the HH 100cc twin. This was a collabrative effort between myself and two other club members. We resurrected an old crashed Extra 230. The plane was last flown more than 10 yrs ago and is estimated to be at least 15 yrs old. This plane is very heavily constructed. If the HH could haul this plane with authority, it should be more than enough for any of the current 100cc offerings.

The HH comes with a Walbro carb. Unfortunately, it uses a piece of brass tubing for the fuel rather than a nipple. The fuel line was secured using three pieces of safety wire, so far no problems. The carb has a neat feature for the choke, in addition to the traditional choke arm, there is an additional arm on the other side of the carb. This additional arm engages with the throttle arm and will release when the throttle is increased. The first time we ran the engine, it kicked over choked, I blipped the trottle which unchoked the carb and the engine remained running. The throttle arm is set at an odd angle, it wants to be pulled 45 deg up and back from the engine. We flipped the carb and were able to obtain a satisfactory throttle linkage with ball links and heavy duty nyrod.

The HH uses an anodized case with cast heads. There were several nicks on the case, and the heads were worse. The engine case has 4 legs to which a mounting plate is attached. I like this design, as the plate will be the first thing to bend or break as well as be the easiest to replace. If you buy one of these engines, pay attention and mark how the prop washer lines up with the engine. Ours lined up with the 6 mounting bolts only one way. The supplied prop bolts were not long enough to pass through the hub of our MSC prob. We replaced these we the longer ones, they are the same as the DL50. The HH uses a RCxcel ignition, and because both cylinders fire at the same time it does not matter which ignition wire goes to which cylinder.

Flight Report:

Prop used: MSC 27-10
Fuel: 30:1 petroleum

We were plagued with interference problems and could not get a good range check. We relocated the antenna. No dice. We tried adding a grounding wire as we have on the DLs. No Dice. Finally, out of desperation, we twisted the two ignition wires (from the ignition box to plugs, see pic) three times. Instantly all our problems went away. Unfortunately, this ate up most of the day and we only had time to rough tune the engine. However, during all the starting and stopping involved with establishing a solid range check, the HH proved itself to be a reliable engine. Usually, 3 flips with it choked, and 3 unchoked would have the running. We established a reliable idle of ~1610 rpm with a max of 5330 rpm, transition was decent. Keep in mind this is a very rough tune. We anticipate more performance when we have time to fine tune the engine. We had the engine a bit rich, as it did not peak on the takeoff roll and then picked up once the prop unloaded. A pull to a vertical line confirmed that the engine makes PLENTY of power, the 230 went up and showed no signs of stopping. The plane was put into a spin, but the idle was a bit too low and the engine died. The plane shorted the runway by ~10 feet. This is a resilient engine, hardly any damage. The twin pipes are bent a little bit, as is the mounting plate. Amazingly, the prop was unbroken. We should have it back in the air by midweek and will continue tuning and testing. Results will be posted.

Conclusion:

There are a few imperfections, but are easily overlooked. Performance has been fantastic and promises to improve. Overall, we're impressed; and at roughly half the cost of other 100cc engines, it can't be beat.

nmking09

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I am going to add that those rpm numbers were with 30% humidity, 330ft asl, 100+ degrees, with lawn boy ashless. Hopefully we will have it back in the air in a few days, and I can get my chance at the sticks.

Thanks to DoctorWack for taking the time to write the review!

Jake Ruddy

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I think you should get a different prop on there... those numbers are low and that's def. too much prop for break in...

mistydee0

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Sinergy is right, Go to a 27x8 and the engine will wake up. Later you can run the 27x10. We are getting over 6000 with a 27x8 Zoar with a engine with about 3 tanks run through it, and still not leaned out to the max. Our up lines are very good, it pulls like a mule on the verticle. So far we are pleased with the performance of this new version 100 twin. But to soon to start Bragging, better to to humble at this point then to eat crow later. Keep up the good work and keep us informed with your progress.

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SOMEONE HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE HH50T? I WANT ONE FOR MY CHRISTEN EAGLE GP

STEVESRCWORLD

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do you guy's think that a 26x10 could be used for break-in with no problems?

nmking09

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Haven't really heard much about the HH50T. I talked with a guy who knew a guy who liked his. It should be incredable in your Christen, very scale.

Jake Ruddy

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Judging by the numbers you need a 26x10 or 28x8 to break this in... you dont want an engine of this time spinning low 5ks for break in. Try something a bit narrower than an MSC too.. thats a big paddle to be spinning for breakin.

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I own the "new" model lspro100 it is definetly strong and pulls my 1/3 Matt Chapman Cap vertical with authority! However, I can't keep the mufflers on....have lost 2 even though I used red "heat tolerant" locktite on the second set. I have just recieved a new set from Alfonso and am trying to figure out how to SECURE the mufflers. Any suggestions? By the way I am taching 6000 using a 26-8 Zinger prop. engine starts and runs reliably has 2 ten minute flights not "fine tuned" yet running on32:1 oil . I'm looking forward to pushing this engine to its limits. Kevin

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Sorry guys , correction the prop I'm using is a 26-10 Zinger not 26-8 as previously stated. Kevin

Jake Ruddy

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safety wire them so they cant come out...

6000 on a Zinger?? do yourself a favor and throw that prop out and get a real prop on there Your plane will thank you! Try a Vess 26A or a Xoar 26x10, NX 26x10 Menz 26x10

STEVESRCWORLD

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man those numbers seem to be really low for a 100 twin. i have a fpe 95cc single that turns a mejzlik 26x10 at 6200.

Jake Ruddy

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I have a 3w-85xi turning a Vess 26a or PT 26x10 at 6500 standard pitts muff. [8D]

nmking09

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Keep in mind that the temps are well over 100deg, we are running a MSC prop, and it has about 1/5 gal through the engine. Should get some more numbers today.

BTW: How much did those engines cost?

STEVESRCWORLD

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ACTUALLY I HAVE A 3W 80 XI THAT WAS $600.00 AND IT TURNS THE SAME PROP AT 6400. I AM INTERESTED IN THIS ENGINE MYSELF BUT I DON'T WANT TO BUY A 100 THAT IS WEAKER THAN A 80CC JUST SO I CAN SAY I HAVE A 100 TWIN. I HOPE THE NUMBERS PICK UP ON IT. I WOULD PURCHASE ONE IF IT TURNS A 27X10 AT 6000 CONSITENTLY. I KNOW THE OTHER 100'S TURN 27X10'S AT 6200-6300. KEEP US INFORMED ON YOUR NUMBERS AND HOW IT RUNS. I ALSO WANT TO KNOW IF THE TUNING CHANGES WHEN YOU FLY INVERTED?

nmking09

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You have a 80 that turns a 27x10 msc at 6400?

STEVESRCWORLD

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no it is turning a mejzlik 26x10

STEVESRCWORLD

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he said he was taching a 26x8 at 6000. that's low for a 100 twin.

TLParker

Just got back from flying the HH Extra. Numbers on the ground haven't changed much, but it's definately starting to pick up more as it is breaking in. I'm sure we're hitting at least 6k in the air. Starts reliably, flies great.

Jake Ruddy

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My first look video of the 3w-85xi shows 6520 at the end of a 15 min flight in 95F and tons of humity on a PT 26x10. The engine cost $795 + muffler so another $135.

Is it more expensive than this engine? Sure a bit... it also weights about 1 pound less over all RTF and is more powerful. I could put my Xoar 27x10 back on and although it's not as thick as an MSC I will still turn 5800-5900.

The point is pretty simple... this is an inexpensive 100c twin... its probably smoother than the80s and 85s out right now but it also has less power and is heavier. A ZDZ 80 RVJ with a pitts muffler will turn 6200-6300 on a 26x10 PT or Xoar brand new and its almost 2 pounds lighter.

I just dont see the point of having an inexpensive 100c twin.. you need to put it in a plane with more wingarea to counteract the extra weight and at the same time you have less power....

Jake Ruddy

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All engines pick up in the air... often as much as 1000 rpm

TLParker

I'm aware. There's an overall improvement as well, due to the engine breaking in.

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Well guys I drilled the muffler mounting bolt heads and safety wired them together on my lspro100 and after a 5 min test flight the left cylinder muffler remained tight but the right cylinder bolts and mufflers were loose enough to 'wiggle' considerably however didn't lose the muffler or bolts due to the wires. I am now puzzled about this problem wonder if the problem is the threads inthe right cylinder head (lost 2 mufflers on the right first 2 flights) Any solutions out there? By the way I'm still running the 26-10Zinger (too cheap to purchase a 'high dollar' prop, besides the zinger was already in my prop collection) I tached the engine at 6180 on the ground prior to takeoff , the engine still starts and runs reliably and has an 'excess' of power . Now if I could only solve the muffler problem ........please give suggestions thanks Kevin

BTerry

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Kevin,

Are the wires tight on the right muffler? The reason to safety wire a bolt is to hold tension on the bolt and prohibit it from twisting. [link=http://www.tpub.com/content/aviation/14014/css/14014_116.htm]Click here for a good tutorial[/link]

Jake Ruddy

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I bet if I put that Zinger 26x10 on my 3w85 I would probably swing it over 7200 haha.. seriously though... go get a real prop and your plane will thank you