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Old 07-24-2014, 09:38 AM
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Capt, I'm not trying to upset you here or stir the pot, but I can't help but wonder about the prices you advertise for some of the RCGF engines. You list the 20cc at $255. I can get a DLE20 through Tower for $230 shipped after using my Tower Club discount. Same story with the RCGF 32cc at $305. I can get the tried and true DLE 30 for about $250 shipped after the Club discount. I just don't see the incentive to use the RCGF brand at those prices, especially since I have been burned badly by them before and have had zero issues with the curiously more affordable DLEs. Like I said, I'm not trying to be a jerk or to flame you. I'm actually very interested in the beam mount 26. I just can't wrap my head around the pricing structure.
Old 07-24-2014, 11:33 AM
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45cal if you are thinking about putting a 55 in the prime cut which is a great
flying plane I have one if I where you I would look at a bigger engine I have a 62 in
mine and it flys it ok but could use a little more power
Old 07-24-2014, 07:15 PM
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Just checking to see who on here has the RCGF 20cc rear carbed engine? I purchased one a couple years ago at the Perry Ga swapmeet and just now am getting it fitted to a 60 size Topflite Corsair arf. Should I start out with a 15x8 or so to break her in a little or what do yall think on prop sizes?
And any feedback from those who have previously or are currently using this engine would be appreciated.
Thanks,
John
Old 07-24-2014, 07:34 PM
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Hi Irocbsa,

Hey man none taken. Thanks for your thoughts on the pricing subject. Yes I understand there were problems early on. There was some bad product out for a while. In my nine years of buying and using RCGF engines direct from the factory, I have flown some 60+ of them and the only things I have had happen is a bearing seal let loose in one of my 32cc engines after flying for almost a year. The other was in my 100cc YAK that we flew for two seasons. I was talked out of it and the new owner lost the rod bearings because he was mixing 100/1 on his gas and oil. As for my pricing, I am told by the factory what I should price my engines at + or - 5%. I understand that there were some fire sales out there for a while. At this time Until I have the factory here I will sell based on what I am told. What do you think will happen to the price when we go from 50 units at a time to say 10,000 units at a time. Once I can offer factory direct pricing then you might change your mind about the price. If the DLE gives you the power you need to fly your plane then by all means buy the DLE. I find the DLE with a Hobby Giant behind it to give you the most bang for your buck at this time. I have tested both side by side as requested by some of my local customers and for those of us wanting the most power per cc we take the RCGF hands down even though it costs a bit more. These are just my thoughts and not meant in any way to offend anyone either. Thanks Again,
Old 07-24-2014, 07:39 PM
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Hey Guys,

Try the New RCGF 60cc Single. Tons of power. Which Prime Cut are you putting it on?
Old 07-24-2014, 07:41 PM
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Hi John,

How do you plan to fly the plane? Scale or are you out to burn holes in the sky?
Old 07-24-2014, 07:59 PM
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Hey Capt, thanks for the response. No offense take in any way whatsoever! If you fly at our club for a while one learns to grow a very thick skin. I appreciate your candor on the topic.

I understand your challenges and the facts surrounding economies of scale. Thanks for the details. Big Al is a good friend of mine and speaks very highly of you and your customer service. I was just curious about the situation overall. It's a little confusing for those of us who aren't on the inside.

P.S. - Regarding ol' Al, big doesn't even begin to describe it. That dude's hands are the size of Texas! If he wasn't such a gentle and nice guy, I would be worried that he would pick me up and choke me out with one hand while flying with the other! Regardless, I tend to watch my smart mouth around him. Ha! Boy am I in trouble this weekend!

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Old 07-24-2014, 08:34 PM
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Hi Iroc,

Any time you are ready to jump on the Beamer 26cc let me know. I can't give then away like BP was while they had them, But at $240.00 shipped I don't think it will hurt to bad...!! BTW if you have any problems like you brake it...(Tee Hee) It can come back to me for repair....

Thanks,
Old 07-25-2014, 03:20 AM
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John,
I have a ton of time on the RCGF 20, as well as the DLE 20. Under a cowl, it's very difficult to tell the difference between them.They turn identical rpms one engine vs. the other (OK, plus or minus 100 rpm one day vs. the next if you're into splitting hairs) and they handle identical. For sport use, they both love 16x8 and 17x6 props, with some guys actually using 18x6. Guys wanting to get up into triple digits with a sleek light plane might go 15x10 (Great Planes 70" Revolver). I would be concerned about over revving the engine with a 15x8. Turning these little guys much over about 8500 on the ground not a good plan if you want a happy engine that will last you a while. Regarding break in, I ran a tank full through it sloppy rich to rinse it out and get it fully lubed. The next tank it dialed in easily, so up in the air it went. Been flying 3 seasons now in my "go to" plane, without incident. I love the engine, and from what I've seen here, it's very popular among other owners as well. Has the same "over achiever" performance attributes the DLE 20 has become known for, and it's just as easy to handle. A "keeper" for sure! -Al

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Has any one out there had any experience with the RCGF 15 I have a jba and it has issues

like coming out of a dive and quitting even with the thing running a little rich
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That's coming out of a dive with no power on, or wide open? Generally, if it quits, it's lean. Which needle might be causing that depends on where the throttle stick is when it happens? Low stick, low speed needle, High stick, high speed needle. Can't help you if it's in the middle...
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Ahicks I see where you are going with that . It. Was wot like I said running a little
rich and it is never in a steep dive it's like the engine starts to over rev and quit I keep richening the
high speed needle but you can only go so rich with a 14/6 master airscrew or a 15/7
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I've got an RCGF 15 and can't say that I am very happy with it. For the weight, a 20cc makes more sense. One of the newer 15cc engines, like the O.S. might be a better choice if you want to spend the extra money.
Old 07-26-2014, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Captmicom
Hi John,

How do you plan to fly the plane? Scale or are you out to burn holes in the sky?
Captmicon,....once I get the corsair dialed in, I plan on flying the snot out of it!! Sure, there will be times I fly it scale too mind you but a corsair is made to go semi fast, LOL

Ahicks, appreciate the reply and thanks for the good info, thats what I was wanting / needing to know. Sounds like you have a good engine there!!! I will have to check to see just how much prop clearance I have with a 16 inch diameter blade . Would you think flying her for a little while with the 15x6 or a 15x8 to get the engine limbered up with not red lining to max rpms would be better or just go ahead and slap a 16 inch on it if I have the clearance? I have several 15x8 and 16x8 new in the package Dynathrust props I was planning on trying out on this puppy.
Thanks again!!!
John
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Myself, I'd fly it with what I was planning on running it with. A lot of times you can get pretty close with that first prop, but you don't know for sure until it's running and in the air....

I am not endorsing asking the engine to make big power for the entire duration of the first few flights! Lot's of info on engine break in around. IMHO, there's nothing special regarding break in with this one.

Last thought, Corsair might look pretty good with a 3 blade prop, and get you some prop clearance at the same time?
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True about the 3 blade and you and I were on the same page as I had thought about that too.
The only ones i know of right offhand would be the Master Airscrew and I was thinking the 15x7...but I just looked at their website and I also see a 16x8 as well as a 16x10 ! hummmmmm
Graupner used to have some great wide blade 3 legged ones but I dont think we can get those anymore? Whats your thoughts on the master sizes, a 15 or 16? I dont know if this little 20cc would be able to handle the 16's or not?
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Originally Posted by JohnMcGowan
True about the 3 blade and you and I were on the same page as I had thought about that too.
The only ones i know of right offhand would be the Master Airscrew and I was thinking the 15x7...but I just looked at their website and I also see a 16x8 as well as a 16x10 ! hummmmmm
Graupner used to have some great wide blade 3 legged ones but I dont think we can get those anymore? Whats your thoughts on the master sizes, a 15 or 16? I dont know if this little 20cc would be able to handle the 16's or not?


http://www.justmodelprops.com/produc...tor-laminated/
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thanks for the link Tom,... (wow, these things are a tad pricey huh?! )
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the 20cc will turn the Master Airscrew 16x8x3 quite well. 15x7x3 is another option also. Not the most efficient props on the market, but they fly the plane well and are durable.
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Originally Posted by JohnMcGowan
thanks for the link Tom,... (wow, these things are a tad pricey huh?! )
Ya. They sure are, but I have a Xoar laminated prop and it is really nice, in the visual department.

Actually, I was looking in my links for Graupner USA, but I see that they are gone.

There certainly are other options for 3 bladed props, like Lifer states.
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Another option, perhaps with a little better price:

http://www.espritmodel.com/xoar-prop...owgas-pji.aspx
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Captmicom,

Do you still have the gasket set in stock for the RCGF 20cc? If so, how much for the set and for shipping?

Thanks in advance!
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next question for you 20cc rear carb gurus ........how in the world are you hooking up your choke linkages, the choke indent on this one is a real strange setup. A little help for a dummy (me) would be appreciated !! pics would be even better.
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Hey Lifer,

Yes I have the gasket set for the RCGF 20cc. All in you are looking at $12.00 shipped.......

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