SYSSA 30CC GAS MADE IN USA
Looks fine but...the silencer looks like a joke! Way too small!
Problem for all two strokes is that they need a large volume silencer to really reduce noice and sound well (not sound like a moped!).
That's why a cannister is needed. Look forward to a manufacturer that can make a two stroke silencer that doesn't reduce horsepower and doesn't sound like like a moped!
Before you get too many back orders on this new 30CC, what's process so I can order one from you. Ithink this engine will be the perfect fit for the new Funtana 125 that Ihave on back order and it's not due to till the end of July.
Chuck
AKA
Todd,
You ask a good question.I don'tknow, so I checked the Horizon web site and they don't have a soft copy of the assembly manual on line for the new Funtana 125. Isent them an email requesting the information. When Iget the info from them I'll send you an email with the dimensions.
Thanks
Chuck
Adding ballast weight to an airplane is like putting an ugly tattoo on a pretty woman.
. Plus Ralph thinks it's a winner so for my money it does not get much better than that.
Karol
Milton
What a nice engine you got there Todd.
I think that a great design, quality and customer service worth the extra money. For the numbers this engine would be a good sustitute for a ys140, a little heavier, but much less fuel costs.
I am about to build a giant profile, and this engine seems great for it . When is the release date?
. Plus Ralph thinks it's a winner so for my money it does not get much better than that.
Karol
Milton
Yes I did and thanks for the correction. It was never my intention to mislead and I would surely hate to offend 'anyone' one way or the other.
Karol
Jamie
There is a pattern communitee screaming for just such an engine! I run pumped OS 160s at about 8200 rpm with ES pipes on 18.1x10 APC props. Would there be a problem making 94db? Have you done any RandD with pipes ,power and noise? Noise is not a killer for me but to fly the NATS there is a noise rule to comply with. I really want to BUY AMERICAN!!!
Go Man!! Go!!!
RC11
Its quieter than you think. Also will be offering a cannister muffler.
Also will be offering a canister muffler.
Good luck!
First, I'm interested in the engine, and I haven't read thoroughly enough to know what the weight and power, etc. all are for it, I'll find that all out in time. But the second immediate thought is that THIS is America's future. Sure, we all appreciate a "good deal" and buy Chinese engines, they're cheap and run well enough to please most of us. Heck, I have a CRRC and another one with other letters...whatever it is. SPE, Ithink.
But sooner or later we all have to face the fact that the American economy's speed ofrecovery depends entirely on the rate that Americans buy American goods. $429.00 is a little high, I'll grant you that. $389.00 would sound a lot better to most of us and actually put it within reach to many more of us.
That being said, having set up a factory before, I know how it works here. Your startup costs are very high and the first runs may cost the customers more until some of the startup costs are recovered. I imagine a price adjustment will come in time, because in the end you still do have to compete in the market.
Jim
If this motor is suitableup through masters in pattern ,power and weight wise it is areal bargain at $429. The cheapest adequate set up in a pattern ship is the OS160. With the motor , header ,pipe and pump you are looking at an easy $600 bucks. And there is the fuel cost also.
A YS 170 with the CDI can cost Way over twice that.
I know we are getting the cart before the horse here but if you can give us some real numbers on props, power weight and noise you will be absolutely amazed at the interest you motor will generate. I know RPM on the ground is arbitrary at best but if you can create a gasser at 39 oz. that will turn an APC 18.1x10 at 8000 and do it quietly , the pattern community will beat a wide path to your door! Will you be hireing in the near future?
And did I hear you say with a linear throttle response?
RC11
Many have tried and not succeeded. I hope you can pull this thing off!
I’m not saying that the value isn’t there. And it’s great that a certain portion of the flying population will beat a path to his door. That also means that rest of the population pretty much WON’T. The American economy and the world economy are in flux right now, that means that the last man standing will be the one with a realistic and flexible game plan. American products are going to have to sell for less by the time all the adjustments have been made, that’s why everything is in flux right now. I doubt that tsyssa will find things to be any different. Wal-Mart hasn’t done what it has done by offering only expensive American products, and that has taken away from the American workers.
Only by adjusting prices can we compete. Not blow-for-blow, foreign labor like Chinese labor is far too cheap. It’s great to be able to extol the virtues of good American craftsmanship, but that alone won’t convince many folks. Bring the price just a LITTLE closer AND extol the virtues and benefits of solid American craftsmanship, and MANY more folks will be able to rationalize spending some more for an engine.
Let’s not kid each other. We all know that pretty much every one of us has gone and shopped at Wal-Mart, knowing that somewhere your basket full of goods just unseated an American worker from his job. We’ve all gone to that cheap tool store and bought something made in<place></place><country-region></country-region>China.
We’ve all got families and budgets and kids in college and you-name-it waiting to eat up our money. If we’re going to rationalize spending more on a 30CC engine it’s got to be giving us enough reason to make that decision. I can pick up a CRRC engine for 200 bucks. I want something with American quality, and that’s worth more, but $429.00 plus shipping ??? That’s more than twice as much! Yes, it’s beautiful, and I feel like I want one. But most guys also have wives who will want to know what they want to spend the money on and why. Now, my wife is great. She’ll say sure, go ahead. My last wife and the three before that HATED my planes, and I had to play hell getting a few bucks here and there out of the budget. THAT is the norm out there, and in this economy with savings being lost in the market and all that I would bet that things are even worse that way for most guys. $389.00 and I stand a chance of being able to convince her that the value is there compared to the others. I’m not speaking about my present wife, I’m speaking for the other regular guys out there. Or say $399.00 delivered. Something like that.
That’s just my take on it, and as I said, it’s not just the value, because the value is there. It’s what the average Joe is going to be willing (or able) to spend to have that. The big money in this industry, except in very rare cases, is not made from the specialized market, it’s from the average guys, and 10 times as many of them are scrutinizing what is available and more often are spending money on more modestly priced items. Striking a balance between the very best and the very most expensive.
That’s my 2 cents worth!
And I still think I’d want one.
Jim
well written and I totally understand and agree. My contention is that no one has been able to do this domestically or from overseas with gas
at any price. If this motor can make real numbers ( 8000 rpm at 39 oz. with an APC 18.1x10 and last) it will be in a class all by itself and worth the bucks. To me... We will have to see some numbers and then make the investment. Then the proof will be in the flying.
Right now...we do not expect to have a million engines out there...we are in a slightly different section of the market...I wish I could desperately lower the price...but that would mean cuts in quality somewhere...and I did have a vision that many people want...and I have to stick to it. Believe me...the price should be higher...I lowered it as much as possible so as many people could afford it as possible...but look at even some "mainstream" 26cc gas engines which are made in "other places" and they cost more and offer less performance at a higher weight...and still at a higher price when it is all said and done. How much does a real aftermarket pitts muffler cost?...because you know you wont use the one that came with the engine.