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Old 03-19-2017, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by rye
i cant believe atfer many many years of making gas engines they still cant get it from the factory
Regardless of the springs being different I'm guessing it's something I did putting it back together. I'll see if the Walbro fixes the issue and report back.

FTR, the tubing and tank is new...she sat out the 2016 season so I wanted it to be fresh. She did run this year for three flights perfectly which is why I was surprised she all of a sudden developed the high idle.

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Old 08-07-2017, 02:48 PM
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Hi
I have a question concerning ignition systems
Can the spark plug wire be shortened on our ignition systems . Say from 15 inch to 5 inch By changing the cap ?
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Old 08-07-2017, 03:16 PM
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Valley View RC sells replacement cap kits. Tell them what plug you are using.

Study the videos on YouTube. It's really pretty easy to do.
Old 08-07-2017, 03:39 PM
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Hi
thanks for the reply
* have no problem changing the cap , done so many times .
talking changing the length ?
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Michel
Old 08-07-2017, 03:43 PM
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Length does not matter. All it does is convey current.
Old 08-14-2017, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Michel
Hi
I have a question concerning ignition systems
Can the spark plug wire be shortened on our ignition systems . Say from 15 inch to 5 inch By changing the cap ?
Thanks
Michel
You can shorten the length, but think about if you need the wire longer for some other installation.
Old 08-14-2017, 01:54 PM
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CaptainJohn - exactly what I was thinking. It's not unusual to end up re-using these IE's for other engines. Shortening the plug cable length would really reduce it's transfer-ability.

On a positive note, I'm very relieved to hear that length doesn't matter.
Old 08-14-2017, 03:28 PM
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Hi Thanks for youre reply
But I will most likely think along the line of keeping to basically the same scale . I,ll always have a loop in the line , or a large sag . I wouldn,t cut to measure
BTW .... It,s a DLE 20 RA in a kit built Spit-fire 60

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Old 10-30-2018, 06:29 PM
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Hi guys, I just got my shiny new DLE 20 and I can't figure out how the spark plug and the spring fit into the ignition cap? Would someone be so kind to explain how this works please? Thanks
Old 10-30-2018, 06:45 PM
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Spring can be optional. But narrow end into cap , then force cap down upon plug , until rubber fitting within cap is firmly seated. You may do this after the plug is screwed into the engine of course. A little motor oil on the threads will ease removal of the plug . Plug needs to be firmly pressed into cap so that electrode in cap is touching end of plug.
Old 10-30-2018, 06:51 PM
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Thanks, is that enough to hold it on? Mine doesn't seem tight enough to hold on to the plug. Does the spring hold it better? How does the spring fit on there?
Old 10-30-2018, 06:54 PM
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Push it in very good you shouldn’t be able to just take it out it should have a lot of resistance when pulled on. I had to use a pair of pliers before (not recommended) but just to give you an idea. Just try to push it as hard as you can.
Also do yourself a favor dump the spark plug in the garbage and get yourself NGK spark plug the size is CM6 you could order it online or you might be able to find it at your local auto parts store.
Old 10-30-2018, 06:56 PM
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The cap may a bit loose and you may have to crimp it a bit. Be sure that the side of the cap are as far down on the plug as it can go. There is a ring on the bottom of the cap to supply some holding tension. But if you think the cap is loose crimp it a bit . It should take some force to get it off.
Old 10-30-2018, 06:58 PM
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Yes the DLE plugs suck big time. No one I know use them ever. They throw them away and get NGKs or HONDA's -CM-6
Old 10-30-2018, 07:31 PM
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Thanks guys. Mine is definitely not that tight. It goes down and hits the hexagon part of the plug. Then it doesn't take much effort to pull it off. I will try crimping the ring.
Old 10-30-2018, 09:14 PM
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The plug cap should completely cover the hex part if the plug. If not that far down, it is not all the way on! Push harder.
Old 10-31-2018, 07:21 AM
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Thanks, I pushed it over the hexagon and then it stayed! Now to get it mounted and running.

Thanks everyone for the help!
Old 10-31-2018, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Bad Tooth
Thanks, I pushed it over the hexagon and then it stayed! Now to get it mounted and running.

Thanks everyone for the help!
For some added security and peace of mind that the plug cap stays put you can use a small Jubilee type hose clamp for some added holding power.
Old 02-01-2019, 09:49 AM
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I am breaking in my new DLE 20, easy to start, good idle and transition but I reach full RPM using only 20 % of the servo travel. I checked the user’s manual, but nothing about what to do. This thread is too large to read it, also iam asking if I play with the high speed adjustment screw, I will be able to extend the travel?

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Old 02-01-2019, 10:04 AM
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You have to set up the throttle curve on the radio. There is very little transition between idle and WOT, so you need to widen the stick to servo movement. Pretty much 0-3/4 stick should be roughly half throttle opening, anything above that is WOT on the DLE.
Old 02-01-2019, 10:16 AM
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I played already with the travel curve, but what I had to say is the travel arm on the carburetor is used only at 25% to go from idle to maximum speed. The butterfly is partially open at full speed. I want to get full speed when the air intake is fully open.
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To a degree, what you describe is normal but not full throttle at 20% throttle. Any butterfly type throttle will reach nearly full throttle somewhere around 3/4 travel with very little RPM gain above that. Most people set up a throttle curve using mechanical differential, radio throttle curves or a combination of both to achieve the desired throttle response at the desired stick position. We can address that later. I feel your current problem is probably caused by the needles not being set yet. You need to tune that engine for idle and full throttle operation as you are probably very rich at full throttle now causing low RPM at that throttle setting. Tune the engine and it will act more normal.
Old 02-01-2019, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Volo
I played already with the travel curve, but what I had to say is the travel arm on the carburetor is used only at 25% to go from idle to maximum speed. The butterfly is partially open at full speed. I want to get full speed when the air intake is fully open.
What rpm are you getting for "full speed"?
Old 02-01-2019, 12:45 PM
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No idea, my RPM meter is in Canada and I am presently in Florida. I know I am near maximum speed, the engine is screaming high pitch. More over I measured the maximum trust with a scale and I read 9 1/2 pounds, which to me, seems very close to the top. This is my first gas engine, but I have a lot of experience with glow engines, turning faster than gas. I believe that if I approach max speed at 25% air flow, it is because the mixture is lean, also I will try to open the high speed needle valve.
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What size prop are you using? 17-6 or 16-8 are most common with the 17 being the first choice of many users. Your thrust readings seem low but I have never tested a 20, though I know how they perform on an airframe. A too small prop could give you the strange behavior.


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