hattend

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Okay, I am doing my first 1/4 scale plane (GP Wagstaff Extra with Fox 3.2) and want to know what's the best setup for smoke.

The Fox come plumbed for smoke out of the box but what do you "smokers" use in the way of smoke oil, pumps, set-up, etc.

Thanks
Don

brittain

On my DP Extra 330L I have a B&B pump and valve, a Moki smoke fitting on the muffler and use Super Dri smoke fluid.

MinnFlyer

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For that setup, you definitly want the B&B system:
http://www.bennettbuilt.com/smoke.htm

Only big gassers, like your 3.2 can power it, but it is the only really reliable system that I have ever found.

I also use Ultrasmoke oil from Air Capital Hobbies:
http://www.aircapitalhobbies.com/ultsmk.htm

It is non-petroleum based, so it doesn't attack your covering, and it doesn't stink up your car/workshop.

When you say your engine is "Plumbed" for smoke, are you referring to the muffler? If so, be advised that the B&B system requires drilling and tapping a hole in the engines crankcase. When the pump arrives, call B&B and they will tell you exactly where it needs to be tapped (have the engine with you when you call). This is not as devastating as it sounds. If you can drill and tap a hole, you won't have any problem. If you can't, just ask a friend who knows how to do it for you.

If your muffler is NOT set up for smoke, the simplest thing to do, is to go to your local Auto Parts store and get some 1/8" copper tubing. Drill a 1/8" hole in the muffler and insert it so it ends right at the point where the engine exhaust enters the muffler (if you can open the muffler, you may want to coil it around inside for pre-heating the oil).

Finally, the last thing you need is a way to regulate the amount of oil going into the muffler (too much oil will cool the exhaust and not get hot enough, plus, the less oil you use, the longer it will last). You can buy a valve somewhere, but what I do is to just drill a hole in a piece of wooden dowel for the oil line to go through with a screw on top of the dowel that can pinch the line.

MinnFlyer

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Here is what the Ultrasmoke can do with only a .91 4-stroke Glow engine!

hattend

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I don't have the engine yet so I don't know for sure but this is from Fox' website:

"Now all single GAS Engines by FOX include a "Muffler." Engines include a NIKASIL lined cylinder/Piston assembly by Makita Dolmar, USA/Cantilever crankshaft/ Throttle coupled spark advance system with CH Electronic ignition/Walbro carb./single engines drilled and tapped for smoke.

I am assuming that this means the crank is already tapped.

I kind of wish you guys had responded about 3 hours earlier as I ordered a TME set-up. I'll still go check out the B&B stuff.

Don

glasairtd

MinnFlyer, I am interested in your flow control device.
What keeps the screw from cutting though the tubing ?
I currently use a "c" clamp type device, but the tube keeps
slipping out. I am using a TME simple smoke system with
super-dri fluid on my Pitts/G-45. Let me just say that
we don't have a mosquito problem at the field ! It works great.

smartwork

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When using the Super-Dri, do you have to have glow or gas line and stopper for the system? I haven't seen anywhere that designates which kind of hose to use.

-shaun

0tter

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TME has worked the best for me with Glow engines.

Forgues Research

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There is also the megasmoke from the UK which has volume control.
http://www.megasmoke.bctalk.net/

0tter

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Don, do you have a web address for the Don Harris system?

0tter

Hammbone

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Hey Dale (Otter),
I just saw the Harris smoke pump on Chief's website:

http://www.chiefaircraft.com/Models/Model.html

When the page comes up click on WHATS NEW.

it will be there.


Jim

0tter

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Thanks Jim.

BTY fired up the Nesquick ship last night. oooohhhhhh. I cant wait! I have a friend with a trailer I may be able to use. Weather looks gloomy here this weekend...mabey next week.

Dale

BAS

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I have numerous TME set ups in my gas motors with great success the newer tme pumps are better than they were 8 years ago the Harris pump is great also . I personally never had good luck with BB doesnt put out the volume of smoke that the Harris and TME put out. If you use the TME make sure and get their check valve it works great only 8 bucks for it it comes with the deluxe kit

smartwork

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Just a heads-up on one of our modeler's experience with TME. Brand new pump wasn't working properly and so TME offered to replace it as defective. Once he sent the pump back, he never received another, nor are his calls and emails being returned, so now he's out everything!

Needless to say, he's not too thrilled.

santi

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what kind of weight am i looking at here? I want to install the tme or the don harris. I want to know how much weight will it ad to my plane including the tank fuel tubing etc....and also include where to get em.

Thanks a bunch
Santi

HotDogger

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I use TME . Simple smoke system,,, Just plug her in a servo slot . That pretty much the setup

No need for drilling on your crank case !

BAS

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Ref the gentleman who never heard or got his new tme pump that is a Bummer big time could you have your local hobby shop do some checking?? I thnk i will try the megasmoke sometime Roger mentioned earlier post it does put out great smoke i think the cost is around 100 bucks.

rkeahey

I have used Harris smoke pumps and have been satisfied with them. He makes them from surgical pumps. They will pump like crazy so use a choke valve. Also, don't let them run dry too long.

Call Don at 530-269-1164 and order directly from him and save a few bucks off the Chief Aircraft price.

smartwork

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I've got a brand new Perry pump running off the crank case and it just isn't doing the trick, SO I am seeking another pump. Considering B&B and would prefer to stick with crankcase driven if possible.

Question: Do you who use crankcase pressure see a "pulse" in your smoke trail that matches the "puff" from the crankcase?

Glanced at the Don Harris system. That's electric, right?

Anyone have experience with the Megasmoke?

I need something that will work properly with a Brison 2.4 and the Perry apparently isn't it! I'm looking for good smoke trails while flying. With all the hovering smoke photos, it's somewhat deceiving in what's actually being put out and what it will look like in flight.

One more question: I've got a Brison muffler with 2 bolts that don't appear to hold anything at all. What are they for? They appear to be too large for smoke taps.

Click for photo - at the time of posting, the system wasn't posting the small version of the photo.

STUKA BARRY

THERE ARE THREE ELEMENTS TO A GOOD SMOKE SYSTEM. 1, IS THE PUMP, 2 IS THE SMOKE FLUID, AND 3 IS THE MUFFLER. THE BEST FLUID AND SYSTEM WILL BE MARGINAL WITHOUT A QUALITY MUFFLER. BOLD MUFFLER (561)344-8785 MAKES SMOKE MUFFLERS WITH A TITANIUM INSERT. THESE MUFFLERS INSURE A QUALITY BURN OF THE FLUID. THIS COULD BE THE SOLUTION TO A WEAK SMOKE SYSTEM. GIVE THEM A CALL. DONT FORGET TO MENTION THE "HARDEE'S AIRSHOW TEAM".

Ryan Smith

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Hey Barry,

This is Ryan Smith, I covered your Telemaster, did you get it flying. How does everyone like it? Sorry you coudn't make it to Winston Salem for the airshow.