50cc Battle Off!!!
02-18-2006, 12:08 AM
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50cc Battle Off!!!
At this post put in your opinion the top five 50cc aerobats out there. Here are mine!
1. The giles 202 by ultra rc has the number 1 spot in my head because of its increadible 3d capabilities. I think this comes from its ultra lite weight.
2. The h9 extra 260 because of its increadible abilities in the hover and snap. Not to mention its one of the most stable aircraft out there. Its stability comes from its inline fuse. The extra 260 also has the best looks in its class in my opinion. Ive noticed that this airplane should be seen in more imac compititions as it is very strong in that region. I think its because if its mid wing design.
3. The Great Planes cap 232 looks like a great aircraft from the videos ive seen. Its looks very lite in the air and the controls are very agresive making this cap look awsome.
4. The lanier rc yak is one of the only large aerobats to have beveled aielerons from what ive seen. This extra effect gives the yak very very good rolling performance, I might add its very good looking to.
5. Last but not least the CA models extra 27%. This plane looks like an all around good 3d plane and im considering getting one. It fuse is very rigid making it good for walls, which is my favorite manuver.
Now it is your turn list 1-5 your favorite 50cc aircraft and what there advantages are! Have fun and let your opinion free.
1. The giles 202 by ultra rc has the number 1 spot in my head because of its increadible 3d capabilities. I think this comes from its ultra lite weight.
2. The h9 extra 260 because of its increadible abilities in the hover and snap. Not to mention its one of the most stable aircraft out there. Its stability comes from its inline fuse. The extra 260 also has the best looks in its class in my opinion. Ive noticed that this airplane should be seen in more imac compititions as it is very strong in that region. I think its because if its mid wing design.
3. The Great Planes cap 232 looks like a great aircraft from the videos ive seen. Its looks very lite in the air and the controls are very agresive making this cap look awsome.
4. The lanier rc yak is one of the only large aerobats to have beveled aielerons from what ive seen. This extra effect gives the yak very very good rolling performance, I might add its very good looking to.
5. Last but not least the CA models extra 27%. This plane looks like an all around good 3d plane and im considering getting one. It fuse is very rigid making it good for walls, which is my favorite manuver.
Now it is your turn list 1-5 your favorite 50cc aircraft and what there advantages are! Have fun and let your opinion free.
02-18-2006, 12:30 AM
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RE: 50cc Battle Off!!!
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well The Giles will never take a 50 so scarth that, and perosnally IMO the great planes lanier and H9 are all too heavy and their wingloading is off.
But that is only MY Opinion.
In no particular order... the best 50CC'ers
are
-TOC Yak
-BME Edge VI VII VII
-Extreme Flight Yak
-QQ Yak
those are the best of your after 3D.
well The Giles will never take a 50 so scarth that, and perosnally IMO the great planes lanier and H9 are all too heavy and their wingloading is off.
But that is only MY Opinion.
In no particular order... the best 50CC'ers
are
-TOC Yak
-BME Edge VI VII VII
-Extreme Flight Yak
-QQ Yak
those are the best of your after 3D.
02-18-2006, 12:38 AM
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RE: 50cc Battle Off!!!
The H9 Extra 260. I just got one and will be putting a DA 50 in it, a perfect match... really what Mike McConville designed it for. #2 is the CA Extra is a very light plane, very nice looking as well. I have always liked the looks of the GP CAP but they do not handle knife edges well, they snap unpredictably. I am not sure after that.
02-18-2006, 12:46 AM
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RE: 50cc Battle Off!!!
That’s unbelievable out of five choices five are junk.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
The Yaks out there are probably the best TOC, QQ, BME (good wing area) and the Aeroworks Edge (can be built really light).
But your five choices would be on the bottom of my list, probably not even on my list there not even worth the key stroke.
Nice try but your way off.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
The Yaks out there are probably the best TOC, QQ, BME (good wing area) and the Aeroworks Edge (can be built really light).
But your five choices would be on the bottom of my list, probably not even on my list there not even worth the key stroke.
Nice try but your way off.
02-18-2006, 01:28 AM
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RE: 50cc Battle Off!!!
I think with the new 55CC BME engine the 260 would be the best. But, in my opinion, a 32 to 34 oz engine is best for your choices & my 260 H9 was too heavy with the DA50.
Regards, Mark
PS: I have the TOC YAK with the DA50 = Great combo!!!!
Regards, Mark
PS: I have the TOC YAK with the DA50 = Great combo!!!!
02-18-2006, 01:28 AM
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You are a rude and mean person. No I'm not kidding.
Wups almost forgot my list. I agree with fasterthanlife.
Wups almost forgot my list. I agree with fasterthanlife.
ORIGINAL: T. Bob
That’s unbelievable out of five choices five are junk.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
The Yaks out there are probably the best TOC, QQ, BME (good wing area) and the Aeroworks Edge (can be built really light).
But your five choices would be on the bottom of my list, probably not even on my list there not even worth the key stroke.
Nice try but your way off.
That’s unbelievable out of five choices five are junk.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
The Yaks out there are probably the best TOC, QQ, BME (good wing area) and the Aeroworks Edge (can be built really light).
But your five choices would be on the bottom of my list, probably not even on my list there not even worth the key stroke.
Nice try but your way off.
02-18-2006, 01:29 AM
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T. Bob and Fasterthan...
I couldn't agree more!! We are really lucky right now to have a bunch of quality choices in airframes right now, but the ones mentioned in the first few posts have got to be some of the WORST for any kind of performance that some of the better pilots have come to expect. Just look at the wing area/weight/wing loading of the H9 and Lanier!!! Not even in the same league! Now I have seen a H9 260 and it IS a nice plane and flies fine, it just isn't up to some of the others when it comes to the EXTREME!!! Again, just my humble opinion, but it is based on some real observations. I am nowhere near a good enough pilot to make these calls, but we do have a few great pilots at our field who are and they are flying BME!!!! just my .02!!!
Regards,
Astrohog
I couldn't agree more!! We are really lucky right now to have a bunch of quality choices in airframes right now, but the ones mentioned in the first few posts have got to be some of the WORST for any kind of performance that some of the better pilots have come to expect. Just look at the wing area/weight/wing loading of the H9 and Lanier!!! Not even in the same league! Now I have seen a H9 260 and it IS a nice plane and flies fine, it just isn't up to some of the others when it comes to the EXTREME!!! Again, just my humble opinion, but it is based on some real observations. I am nowhere near a good enough pilot to make these calls, but we do have a few great pilots at our field who are and they are flying BME!!!! just my .02!!!
Regards,
Astrohog
02-18-2006, 04:42 AM
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RE: 50cc Battle Off!!!
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Wow T.Bob... let's see your list if you're that sure. The Aerotech YAk weighs 5 lbs more than the H9 Extra flight ready!
Wow T.Bob... let's see your list if you're that sure. The Aerotech YAk weighs 5 lbs more than the H9 Extra flight ready!
5# more? Does the H9 Extra 260 HONESTLY weigh 11# rtf, with the DA50? I didn't think so. Probably more like 3# more. So the Aerotech weighs 19% more, but has 20% more wing area.
Just thinking out loud here...
02-18-2006, 09:10 AM
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#1 QQ-Yak
#2 BME YakII
#3 PA-Edge 540
#4 BME Edge 540 III
#5 TOC Yak
Others...
H9 260 - proven , but a little small in the 50cc class (wing loading may be a little high with a 50cc gas but buy far the best of the ones you mentioned.) Ultra 202, may turn into a pig with a 50cc gas, really meant for a 1.6 glow. Lanier & Aeroworks Yaks have not yet been flown, measured or weighed to know if they are any good. Neither company has a good history in the ARF market.
#2 BME YakII
#3 PA-Edge 540
#4 BME Edge 540 III
#5 TOC Yak
Others...
H9 260 - proven , but a little small in the 50cc class (wing loading may be a little high with a 50cc gas but buy far the best of the ones you mentioned.) Ultra 202, may turn into a pig with a 50cc gas, really meant for a 1.6 glow. Lanier & Aeroworks Yaks have not yet been flown, measured or weighed to know if they are any good. Neither company has a good history in the ARF market.
02-18-2006, 09:26 AM
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RE: 50cc Battle Off!!!
First of all tbob are you taking this thread as a threat? Because it just here for you to anser not to flame. Sorry to any one about the lanier plane. I blanked out on the QQ yak or I would have put in place. And it says on the ohio model product web page that you can put a 50cc engine in the giles. I know it wouldnt perform well with that sized of an engine but I just had to put that plane. Also b terry I know for a FACT that the extra 260 ways around 11 1/2 pounds with a da 50.
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ORIGINAL: Mr.Extra 260
Also b terry I know for a FACT that the extra 260 ways around 11 1/2 pounds with a da 50.
Also b terry I know for a FACT that the extra 260 ways around 11 1/2 pounds with a da 50.
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RE: 50cc Battle Off!!!
In fact, the test plane in FlyRC Mag weighed 11.5# with the Saito 2.20, an engine that weighs, complete, 7 oz less than a BARE DA50, which still needs 18 more oz of accessories/hardware/battery/ignition/standoffs/muffler, etc.
I'm not trying to scare you away from the H9 Extra, it is one of the best-looking planes on the market. However, my own personal experience has proven that an 1100 in^2 plane weighing more than 13# with a gas motor is far too heavy for my personal taste. It may be perfect for you, however. My experience shows the DA is still almost too much power for a 16# plane.
If you don't mind building, the Colombo Anderson kits are very simple and fly extremely well. Also look at the Fiber Lite Edge, [link=http://www.fiber-lite.com/RC%20main.htm]here[/link]. It weighs an HONEST 15# with the DA50 on 1450 in^2 wing area = 24oz/ft^2 loading.
I'm not trying to scare you away from the H9 Extra, it is one of the best-looking planes on the market. However, my own personal experience has proven that an 1100 in^2 plane weighing more than 13# with a gas motor is far too heavy for my personal taste. It may be perfect for you, however. My experience shows the DA is still almost too much power for a 16# plane.
If you don't mind building, the Colombo Anderson kits are very simple and fly extremely well. Also look at the Fiber Lite Edge, [link=http://www.fiber-lite.com/RC%20main.htm]here[/link]. It weighs an HONEST 15# with the DA50 on 1450 in^2 wing area = 24oz/ft^2 loading.
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RE: 50cc Battle Off!!!
The 260, I believe is a great plane with the RIGHT engine.
You are really gonna want that extra wingspan/wingarea to weight ratio of one of the higher end 30%'s to get good performance with a 50.
Currently at only $600 bucks the BME Edge VIII is the cheapest of the five greats (In my Book) and it has awsome hardware stock, CF everywhere! and wingbags/fusebags.
The only downer, I think, is the pink purple rainbow stripes, but it has been proven many times on here that that can be fixed.
-Taylor-
You are really gonna want that extra wingspan/wingarea to weight ratio of one of the higher end 30%'s to get good performance with a 50.
Currently at only $600 bucks the BME Edge VIII is the cheapest of the five greats (In my Book) and it has awsome hardware stock, CF everywhere! and wingbags/fusebags.
The only downer, I think, is the pink purple rainbow stripes, but it has been proven many times on here that that can be fixed.
-Taylor-
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RE: 50cc Battle Off!!!
Double Vision
Cuda
Vision
All of the Composite ARFs
Probably all of the WildHare products. (a little heavy but very durable)
They're are a lot of 50cc plane better than the first five.
No reason to be angry just one guys opinion....
The right opinion
Cuda
Vision
All of the Composite ARFs
Probably all of the WildHare products. (a little heavy but very durable)
They're are a lot of 50cc plane better than the first five.
No reason to be angry just one guys opinion....
The right opinion
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I already have the 260 with 45cc engine and it ways just over 12 pounds. I thought that the da 50 would weigh less than the 45 but I geuss not. keep on listing your top 5
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RE: 50cc Battle Off!!!
Here we go again...
The best 3D monster is whatever flips your switch, rocks your world and gives you a woody when you're DOD...
For me, it would be something with 30 lbs of thrust, weighs 15 lbs, has 15oz/sq in. wing loading and costs $100...
Hey, we can wish can't we!!!
The best 3D monster is whatever flips your switch, rocks your world and gives you a woody when you're DOD...
For me, it would be something with 30 lbs of thrust, weighs 15 lbs, has 15oz/sq in. wing loading and costs $100...
Hey, we can wish can't we!!!
02-18-2006, 01:09 PM
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ORIGINAL: Mr.Extra 260
At this post put in your opinion the top five 50cc aerobats out there. Here are mine!
1. The giles 202 by ultra rc has the number 1 spot in my head because of its increadible 3d capabilities. I think this comes from its ultra lite weight. way, way, way too small to be a 50cc class airplane and will fly heavy
2. The h9 extra 260 because of its increadible abilities in the hover and snap. Not to mention its one of the most stable aircraft out there. Its stability comes from its inline fuse. The extra 260 also has the best looks in its class in my opinion. Ive noticed that this airplane should be seen in more imac compititions as it is very strong in that region. I think its because if its mid wing design.
way too small to be a 50cc class airplane and will fly heavy
3. The Great Planes cap 232 looks like a great aircraft from the videos ive seen. Its looks very lite in the air and the controls are very agresive making this cap look awsome. way too small to be a 50cc class airplane and will fly heavy
4. The lanier rc yak is one of the only large aerobats to have beveled aielerons from what ive seen. This extra effect gives the yak very very good rolling performance, I might add its very good looking to. way too heavy without HEAVY modification and extra money - even still it will be over 17 pounds regardless. Not a 50cc, IMO
5. Last but not least the CA models extra 27%. This plane looks like an all around good 3d plane and im considering getting one. It fuse is very rigid making it good for walls, which is my favorite manuver. way too small to be a 50cc class airplane and will fly heavy, and is just plain built heavy.
Now it is your turn list 1-5 your favorite 50cc aircraft and what there advantages are! Have fun and let your opinion free.
At this post put in your opinion the top five 50cc aerobats out there. Here are mine!
1. The giles 202 by ultra rc has the number 1 spot in my head because of its increadible 3d capabilities. I think this comes from its ultra lite weight. way, way, way too small to be a 50cc class airplane and will fly heavy
2. The h9 extra 260 because of its increadible abilities in the hover and snap. Not to mention its one of the most stable aircraft out there. Its stability comes from its inline fuse. The extra 260 also has the best looks in its class in my opinion. Ive noticed that this airplane should be seen in more imac compititions as it is very strong in that region. I think its because if its mid wing design.
way too small to be a 50cc class airplane and will fly heavy
3. The Great Planes cap 232 looks like a great aircraft from the videos ive seen. Its looks very lite in the air and the controls are very agresive making this cap look awsome. way too small to be a 50cc class airplane and will fly heavy
4. The lanier rc yak is one of the only large aerobats to have beveled aielerons from what ive seen. This extra effect gives the yak very very good rolling performance, I might add its very good looking to. way too heavy without HEAVY modification and extra money - even still it will be over 17 pounds regardless. Not a 50cc, IMO
5. Last but not least the CA models extra 27%. This plane looks like an all around good 3d plane and im considering getting one. It fuse is very rigid making it good for walls, which is my favorite manuver. way too small to be a 50cc class airplane and will fly heavy, and is just plain built heavy.
Now it is your turn list 1-5 your favorite 50cc aircraft and what there advantages are! Have fun and let your opinion free.
Here's mine:
1) EF 50cc Yak. I had one(sold it to go bigger). I don't care if it isn't available anymore, it is still a plane for all others to live up to in size, weight, and performance.
2) EF's new 50cc offering when it comes out. If Cris had a hand in designing it, you know it will be a winner, and will be larger and lighter than his 50CC Yak
3) QQ 85" Yak is a VERY close second to both above, and curently wins because it is available right now.. It's demensions are actually very close to the above airframe and it is an awesome design and can be built light.
4) AW QB ARF Yak. I have been to the shop and saw it in person and it is beautiful and flies very well on a 50. For my altitude, it would take a 58, but it can be built to the 16 pound range with a little care and CF. It is also going to be the most A.R.F plane available.
5) Comp-arf 2.3, but only with a DA 50 and tuned pipe and only at sealevel. Otherwise it's a 75cc plane.
02-18-2006, 01:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: Silversurfer
Go with the H-9 260.
The CA, GP, and 202 are not 50cc planes. Lot's of power, yes, but also more weight than they need to carry to perform well.
Go with the H-9 260.
The CA, GP, and 202 are not 50cc planes. Lot's of power, yes, but also more weight than they need to carry to perform well.
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RE: 50cc Battle Off!!!
Ditto what Bodywerks just said and his list. I might jumble the order around based on availability but you can't argue about what he says about Chris who basically designed the QQ as far as I'm concerned. The original poster doesn't seem to have much experiance on this subject.
02-18-2006, 01:26 PM
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ORIGINAL: BTerry
In fact, the test plane in FlyRC Mag weighed 11.5# with the Saito 2.20, an engine that weighs, complete, 7 oz less than a BARE DA50, which still needs 18 more oz of accessories/hardware/battery/ignition/standoffs/muffler, etc.
In fact, the test plane in FlyRC Mag weighed 11.5# with the Saito 2.20, an engine that weighs, complete, 7 oz less than a BARE DA50, which still needs 18 more oz of accessories/hardware/battery/ignition/standoffs/muffler, etc.
02-18-2006, 01:29 PM
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ORIGINAL: BasinBum
Ditto what Bodywerks just said and his list. I might jumble the order around based on availability but you can't argue about what he says about Chris who basically designed the QQ as far as I'm concerned. The original poster doesn't seem to have much experiance on this subject.
Ditto what Bodywerks just said and his list. I might jumble the order around based on availability but you can't argue about what he says about Chris who basically designed the QQ as far as I'm concerned. The original poster doesn't seem to have much experiance on this subject.