wws2010

My father and I have been really looking forward to spending some time together this summer and want a project. I am going off to college next year and moving away, hopefully to embry riddle. I have been flying since I was seven and am now 17 so experience is no problem. My dad on the other hand is just starting to learn and I am building him foamies and putting him on the sim as much as possible. We are looking for a plane that we can call our own, arf or kit, that can still fit in our car but hopefully a gasser! We both like the sound and value of a gas engine along with the performance. I was thinking a 26cc gasser but am open to ideas in size. What size airplane are we looking at with a 26cc gasser and can I at least hover it and do some slow harriers?

Zippi

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wws2010,

Nice to see you and your father are working on a project together. I've run a lot of 26cc gassers and they are a great little engine. I personally prefer Zenoah engines just for the fact that they have proven themselves over the years but there are others like MDL, RCGF, CRRC that have gotten good reviews as well. I'm not a 3D pilot but if your wanting to 3D a plane with a 26cc you'll want to keep the weight around 10 lbs or less. Any heavier and it may hover but you probably wont have much pull out power. Although, if you’re looking to sport fly or maybe a Warbird then you can get them pretty heavy and they still fly great. I've seen a KMP F8F Bearcat fly with a G26 and it weighed in at 17 lbs and it flew fine. Not my ideal weight for a plane with a 26cc gasser but it works fine for some people.

As far as planes, you might look at the Aeroworks .90-1.20 YAK 54, Wild Hare Edge 540 or Extra 260 120 size, Peak Models has a few good selections as well. There are a lot of others just look at the weight.

rcplanenut

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I have an Evolution 26cc in an Aeroworks Yak. AUW is just under 11lbs, it fly aerobatics fairly well but is marginal for 3D. It will barely pull out of a hover. If you want something that will do good 3D then you will need to step up to the 50cc range. Price is not much more and you will have so many more choices of engines and planes. The power to weight ratio just isn't there yet with the 26cc class, unless you start using tuned pipes and remove weight from the airframe.

wws2010

What model weight am I looking at before everything to keep it under 10 pounds? Thank you so much, and by the way, what extra stuff will I need for a gasser? I was thinking of putting a couple of gyros in the plane to work on some supermaneuverability? Would that be awesome or is that voodoo?

cdsmolik

I put the evolution gas 26cc into a Seagull Edge 540 60 size arf. It hits the field at 10lbs. 3 oz. I had to make custom landing gear for prop clearance. 17 x 6. It has unlimited verticle barely. I balanced the extra nose weight by putting all servos and receiver in the tail. Used a C size pack for flight batteries and placed it for balance. It really is a nice combo and flys great. I would recomend pipes over the stock muffler. I have the evolution muffler. It is heavy and too quiet. I think pipes would let it breath and gain some extra RPM's.

mrbigg

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I have a SV26 in a Goldberg Ultimate arf and with fuel it's over ten pounds. Hovers at half throttle no problem. No throttle curve. 16x8 Bambula prop. I'm just running a pitts muffler. Your Evolutions are sounding weak. You guys need a pipe on them Evolutions to wake them up. My 26 has plenty of power especially considering it's in a biplane which has alot of drag to overcome. I'm pretty sure your engines are more powerful than mine.

ro347

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Why not a 50cc? After someone else made the suggestion to me...I noticed you had more options....at a minimal price difference.

krayzc-RCU

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heck were is the vid ?????

airborne2.4

Show us some videos guys!!!!!

ro347

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Basically a 1.20 size plane at about 10lbs flying weight.... for 3D

airborne2.4

Do you have any pictures?

Timber29

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This plane fly's great with a 26cc CRRC pro in it. And it's easy to transport. I can keep mine fully assembled, unload it from my truck, gaser up and I'm flying. Here's a link to one http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=SEA5100

airborne2.4

This would also be great with the CRRC 26cc
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...025#quickSpecs

49dimes

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I have a turnigy HP26s in a Pilot SBACH 342. Dry weight is exactly 10 lbs 1oz. Prop is a XOAR 17x3DA. turns 7400 rpm. Ihave used many different props (16X6, 17X8, 17X6) and the 17x3DA gives best thrust but still have only minimal pull out power, hover at 3/4 or more throttle. For 10 to 14 pound 3D plane I would recommend 30-35cc motors.
If you have to use a 26cc motor try to find something that will weigh 8.5 pounds or less for good 3D performance.

airborne2.4

Yep, you're right about 13-14 pound airframe would need a 30-35cc, a 26cc or 28cc is not enough power for 3D.

jbflier

I'm looking for something similar......try checking out the Wild Hare website for their 30cc engines.............

airborne2.4

airborne2.4

Try this:

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXZZH1&P=ML

cloudancer03

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regretably I think the 50cc suggestions are accurate..however its just a matter of time until new lighter airframes appear on the market.its still about market demand and 101 economics.but I will say this ...the 30cc dle is perfect for 25 percent airframes/I love love love 3dhobby planes.get a 70 inch slick or a 72 inch extra..pilot has the sbach and a 30cc motor ,light airframe good 3d.

but its true right now the 50cc class has many more choices .I personally feel the 50cc and under is where the direction is gas wise.I had the big 3w's but it gets to be a hassle transporting and setting up etc.whereas the smaller engines propely matched give equally great performance and much easier for me at least to manage.

those 26 cc motors incidentally are great forwarbirds and sport planes in general.other than my satios I sold off all my 2 stroke engines..

49dimes

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The turnigy HP26s is actually an XYZ 26s. It barely hovers 10.5 lb flying weight. But I bet it would 3D a Funtana 1.25 like no other. It is a great running motor and super light.

Earhole51

Hey Guys, would anyone know if the Evo 26 would be to large for a 60 sized Warbird? I'm looking at the H9 P51 Mustang and they do recommend the Saito FG20 but I'm not sure if this would tip the scales.

airborne2.4

Try the DLE 20cc. Have a look at the 1st post here:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_98..._1/key_/tm.htm

and the 3rd post here:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10..._1/key_/tm.htm

ahicks

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I think many that are looking into this are checking out the recommended engine sizes and the weights, so they're doing some home work. What needs much more focus than I often hear about regarding this decision though, is wing area. A 26cc powered 10lb plane flying on an 800-850 sq in wing is going to have totally different behavior when compared to a 26cc powered 10lb plane flying on a 1000+ sq in wing. Yes, they'll both take off, land and fly great, BUT, the larger wing area will let things happen much slower. It's easier to fly, lands slower, won't be as snap happy on final, and when it comes to 3D type stuff, way further ahead. For instance, they'll deal with being tail heavy much better IMHO, they also don't build a big head of steam on the down lines as easily. In defense of the 850's, they do have better wind penetration, and if you like flying guided missile style, the 850 would lend itself to that better as well.

Point being, all else being equal, the wing area will be a very large factor in deciding on the "personality" of the plane. FWIW

shakeelsid

Here is a link to my 800 inch Seagull Edge with 20cc engine at 9.25lbs - this is RCGF -Aerovate 20cc which is the same weight as DLE 30, you can see the plane works OK - IMO 10 lbs with 850 inch wing and 26cc engine shall be a fair performer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8kgm...hannel&list=UL

I have at least three planes in this range, and they all fly more than OK - Sure my larger 50 or 100 cc planes look more impressive doing the same manoeuvres, but the little ones are more agile, take faster reflex action to do the same and thus are much better training aids

my 2c, your mileage may vary

Sid

jp1961

I'd look for a Ultrastick 1.20 lite. They don't sell it new anymore, but you should be able to find one used. I have a Zenoah 20cc engine on it, but it's just a tad underpowered. A 26cc would be perfect.
Jeff