rhsmrt50

....Except for the upper and lower nacelle cones, which are covered with fiberglas....the rest of the Nacell will have a 3/32 balsa sub-plank and overlayed with 1/64 Birch ply........this will create the sharp panel lines of the original and also create a hard smooth surface for the paint...

rhsmrt50

......Tle lower planking will also be planked with balsa with a ply skin.......the 1/64 ply center section will be removable to gain access to the landing gear as it was on the real T-50....

WARBIRDRCER

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Rich, Your work looks great. I spoke to RPRCBuilder today and he is cutting the tail section parts out now. It will be the weekend before I get back over there, but with the weather becoming more spring like I will pick up where I left off on the plane, so time will be limited. Here is where I will pick back up. Still stripping paint, and following the airframe I will be overhauling the powerplant. After some exterior inspection and pulling the top end off I desided to start fresh.

rhsmrt50

Steve, what year and model is your Cessna project?..............to bad it's not a T-50...........looking good tho.

Rich.

rhsmrt50

....Steve, you mentioned earlier that you may want ot go with the od green and grey.....this color scheme was usually reserved for the UC-78.....but not always, some UC-78's were all silver with black or bronz green anti-glare panels on the nose, cowlings and nacelles.......often the configuration and color of the insignia's gave an indication of it's entrance into service........I have a list of the various insignia's used throught the war........if I can findthem I will post it later.......I also have a number of photos with the grey and green that made reference to...............I will post them a little later.....enjoy

Rich.

Dash7ATP

That rudder just doesn't look large enough to hold it straight with all of that draggy engine nacelle in a single engine situation......

Joe

rhsmrt50

....It is a very effective rudder even if it looks a little ineffective........the guys that trained with her often refered to her as the "Double Brested Cub'.......because she was so docile to fly.........I do plan to use a gyro on take-offs so I guess I will evenually see how effective the rudder will be.........it also uses a 25 degree throw each way.

Rich.

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Thanks for the OD green pics.

"Double Brested Cub", now I like that one . Did this one take-off, cruse, and land at 60

I will most likely go with this color,but the NAS Pensacola pulls at my childhood

rhsmrt50

.....Thats true.....it other nick-names as well....the most often one was the "Bamboo Bomber"............"Rapasity in Glue"........."Usless C-78".

.....the take-off speed was ninety mph........that was it's single engine performance.

Glad you enjoyed the photos..........I am just getting ready to send the one of the various insignia's used in that time period.

Rich.

rhsmrt50

....Steve, I found the photo of the insignia's

rhsmrt50

.....Steve, heres a couple of the grey and green ones that you also like...........I have others that need to be scanned, I will post them when I can.........enjoy.

Rich.

rhsmrt50

Steve........notice the T-28 sitting along side......how about that?

Rich.

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I saw the T-28, and that one I like. The T-50 colors that is.

Thanks

rhsmrt50

Steve, here are a few more......

Rich.

rhsmrt50

......ooooops, forgot one....

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Thanks again. I really like this one. The green stripe and cowls will show up great in flight. What did the Navy use these planes for? Were they twin trainers? I think the USAAF used them for that purpose. Any info is great, and info on this one shown would be nice too.

SpaceRanger

They were used as light cargo aircraft and for ferrying personnel, as near as I have been able to determine (I'm working on compiling a history to include details of every T-50 built, but don't yet have all the records. I have no records yet on the Navy airplanes.). The USAAF used them as trainers, liaison, and light cargo/personnel transports. Quite a few went overeas to almost every theater of war. Combat units had one or two assigned as squadron "hacks."

The gray airplane with green stripes is supposed to represent a Navy instrument trainer, but I have yet to find any evidence that the Navy actually used them for that purpose.

The airplane pictured, N66794, is actually an AT-17D/UC-78C, serial number 42-72157, and was known to have been assigned to the 50th Flying Training Group, USAAF, Majors Army Airfield, Greenville, TX. It was never a JRC-1. It is currently in the collection of the Pima Air & Space Museum, Tuscon, AZ. I have more detailed info, but it is still in my notes. I'll post it here soon.

rhsmrt50

.....Joe, sorry, I did'nt really answer your question about the one engine out on the Bobcat..............so, here it is..........first of all.with the engines working together they were a perfect match for the airframe andit's load............on take-off's the nose was held down until the airspeed reached 90 mph......this was in case of an engine out during take-off..........single engine performance was 90 mph........and it's rate of climb depended on it's load at takeoff.......she did not climb well on a single engine...........so....it was said that the other engine just got you to the crash site..........but remember!..........she was powered by the dependable Jacobs engine........even if they didcall them "Shakey Jakes".......

Rich.

Dash7ATP

Rich,

As a lng time pilot of one time multi-engine flight instructor, I'm quite familiar with the minimum safe single engine speed. Many of the more modern light twins today have a much higher speed. It's been many years, but Ithink the Cessna 310 safe speed was around 105. She was ready to fly much sooner, But God help you if one quit on takeoff if you were below that speed. Idid a lot of training in a Piper Twin Comanche. to hold it on the ground until the safe single speed was reached was wierd. It wsa ready to fly at about 95 and by 105 the mains were already off of the ground and the nose wheel was being held down by down elevator. Frankly, I'm not sure that would have helped much if one failed in that condition.

Thanks for your additional comments. The engine off sets (did you say 25 degrees outward?) probably look pretty strange!

JOe

Dash7ATP

WOW!  I really blew that one! [:@] I looked at your post again, and see that you meant the rudder deflections were 25 degrees each way. That makes much more sense!

Joe

rhsmrt50

......no........the engines were held at zero/zero..........it was a 25 degree rudder defection that I was refering too.....

Rich.

rhsmrt50

......however........I do plan to introduce a 1.5 degree outboard thrust line per engine to help reduse the effect of torque with one engine out..........I personally think it is a little exessive.........but that is what the multi-engine guys tell me...........by the way........this is my first multi-engine..........well, not really.......I did build and fly control line twins back in the 50/60"s.............my favorite was a kit from "Debolt" .........called the "1/2A Twin.........running a pair of screeming "Wasp.049"s".........sweeeeeet!

Rich.

rhsmrt50

......no problem Joe.............I sometimes run words together causing confusion.........Rich.

SpaceRanger

As promised, here is the complete history of N66794. Dates are day-month-year format.Date of manufacture: 5-6-43. Delivery date: 12-6-43. To Lubbock Army Airfield, TX, 17-6-43. To AAF Air Service Command, 385th Sub Depot, Majors AAF, Greenville, TX. 2-12-43 (also recorded as belonging to 50th Flying Training Group). Landing accident/belly landing, Wills Point Intermediate Landing Field, TX, 6-9-43. Landing accident, Pittsburg, OK, 2-10-43. To 2531st Base Unit, AAF Central Flying Training Command, Pampa AAF, TX, 13-10-43. To Reconstruction Finance Corp. for disposal 1-1-44. Sold to William P. George, San Francisco, CA, by War Assets Admin. Los Angeles office, 4-5-46 ($1,830.00). Civil conversion completed. 7-6-46. S/t Joseph E. Flaherty, San Francisco, CA, 12-6-46. Airworthiness Certificate issued 14-6-46 (1615 hrs TTOA). Registered NC66792, date unknown. S/t Robert Wilde/Richard Morales, dba H & W Aircraft Repairs, Freedom, CA, 29-6-48. Re-registered NC66794, date unknown, reason unknown. S/t Harold Oberg, Salinas, CA, 30-6-49. Fus. fabric replaced, acft. refinished green/white, 23-5-52. S/t Peter T. Hoffman/Gloria E. Hoffman, Gardena, CA, 24-5-52. S/t Dwight B. Cummins/Ernest F. Miller, Gardena, 10-6-53. Entire acft. re-covered/refinished, last recorded annual inspection, 13-7-56 (1668:37 TTOA). S/t Jackson Munsell III/Florentine S. Barker, Los Angeles, 18-1-60. S/t San Fernando Drag Strip & Airport Corp., San Fernando, CA, 6-9-61. S/t Henry A. Rohrig, Northridge, CA, 21-11-62. Engines & props from N20772 (c/n 5574) installed for ferry flight bef. 5-1-65. S/t Norvell L. Gullett, Canoga Park, CA, 5-1-65, less engines/props. S/t Lawrence L. Hibarger, Chatsworth, CA, 1-7-67. Complete re-cover w/Ceconite, windshields/cabin windows replaced., seat belts replaced, lndg. gear overhauled, brakes overhauled, new tires/tubes installed, 25-10-69. Major repairs to lndg. gear/rear nacelle trusses, 28-3-71. S/t Janet E. R. Hansen/Werner R. Hansen, Richmond, CA, date unknown (recorded 1-8-75). Repossessed. by Wells Fargo Bank, San Francisco, 18-5-76. S/t Lynn C. Hunt, Santa Rosa. CA, 21-5-80. S/t Tuscon Air Museum Foundation of Pima County, Tuscon, AZ, 28-5-82. Reg’n. cancelled. at owner’s request 20-11-90; “static display only.” Preserved, Pima Air & Space Museum, Tucson, AZ, in USN instrument trainer colors as JRC-1.

rhsmrt50

....Mike, thanks so much forposting the history of NC66794..........if Steve's friend decides to go with this cofiguration, he will be starting out with theHistory of the real aircraft........that is what I have decided to do when I went with the Jon Larson UC-78, from Minter Field..........

Rich...